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Posted: 9/10/2017 8:33 PM
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The Pelini firing has more parrelles than you will ever admit

Living in Lincoln I have never heard much criticism of Pelini's coaching or record, either before or after he was fired. Based on comments I have heard, most people here had respect for his coaching ability, but not his demeanor on and off the field. Now, I do know a guy that runs a travel agency that wanted Pelini gone because of declining interest in charters to bowl games, but why was interest declining? Was it because of the record? Or did the coaches embarrass them? Or maybe it was declining interest in football in general because of head injuries, and less interest in football among the younger generation?

You show you fail to understand what Ohio high school football reall produces and the pecking order you must overcome.

Then enlighten me, Billy. This is the way I understand it. Ohio produces a lot of 5-star and 4-star players, unlike Minnesota. For 2018 they have 1 5-star athlete, and 13 4-star athletes, unlike Minnesota, which has none. Ohio also has more than 60 3-star athletes, unlike Minnesota, which has 6. Those four to five star athletes are what powers Ohio State to the top of the B1G every year, and in order to compete, Minnesota is going to need to go out of area to recruit some.

Meanwhile, at Ohio, they need those 3-star athletes to be at the top of the MAC. Unfortunately, the bulk of those 3-star athletes are found, not in Southeastern Ohio, nor in the Valley, but in Southwestern Ohio (the home area for Miami and UC), Northwestern Ohio (the home area for BG and Toledo), or NE Ohio (the home area of Kent and Akron). Some are also in Central Ohio, an area where all the MAC schools compete.

Thus, to succeed, Minnesota must go into the areas of other schools like Ohio State, looking for the 4-5 star athletes it needs, because there aren't enough in their natural recruiting area. Meanwhile, to succeed, Ohio must also recruit out of their area to get the athletes it needs. They do get some from SW Ohio, NE Ohio, and Central Ohio. Alternately, they can go into Pennsylvania, Georgia, Florida, and Oklahoma, like they did last year.
Not going to bother to explain it to you, until you unbury your head.
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Posted: 9/10/2017 9:24 PM
I will attempt to explain the pecking order in recruiting in the state of Ohio (feel free to interject otherwise)

1. Ohio State
2. Michigan/Notre Dame. If they want someone, they can come over the line and challenge heavy. Michigan tends to go north of I-70, Notre Dame anywhere with a catholic school/suburban base.
3-6: Kentucky/Michigan State/Kentucky/Pittsburgh. All these staffs have Ohio focused coaching staffs and do their job getting recruits.
7: Penn State (only in Northeast Ohio under JoePa they really did, they don't come into the state often under Franklin)
8: Big Ten (IU, Wisconsin, NW, Iowa, Nebraska come to mind here)
9: Cincinnati (though they are moving up pecking order big time with Fickell going toe to toe with folks in SW Ohio)
10: Toledo/BG/Miami: Tend to recruit the state effectively
11: Maybe OHIO (we don't go recruiting the state hard)
12-13: Kent and Akron. Nuff said here.

Just so you understand where we rank
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Posted: 9/10/2017 9:33 PM
Since we are on the subject I notice that Miami won head-2-head recruiting battles against us 7 times so far this year. They are recruiting effectively in their backyard again.
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Posted: 9/10/2017 9:48 PM
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I will attempt to explain the pecking order in recruiting in the state of Ohio (feel free to interject otherwise)

1. Ohio State
2. Michigan/Notre Dame. If they want someone, they can come over the line and challenge heavy. Michigan tends to go north of I-70, Notre Dame anywhere with a catholic school/suburban base.
3-6: Kentucky/Michigan State/Kentucky/Pittsburgh. All these staffs have Ohio focused coaching staffs and do their job getting recruits.
7: Penn State (only in Northeast Ohio under JoePa they really did, they don't come into the state often under Franklin)
8: Big Ten (IU, Wisconsin, NW, Iowa, Nebraska come to mind here)
9: Cincinnati (though they are moving up pecking order big time with Fickell going toe to toe with folks in SW Ohio)
10: Toledo/BG/Miami: Tend to recruit the state effectively
11: Maybe OHIO (we don't go recruiting the state hard)
12-13: Kent and Akron. Nuff said here.

Just so you understand where we rank

I would agree with that. The primary difference between that and my list is that it's more specific, whereas I lumped 2-8 together as "other P5 schools".
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Posted: 9/10/2017 10:07 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
I will attempt to explain the pecking order in recruiting in the state of Ohio (feel free to interject otherwise)

1. Ohio State
2. Michigan/Notre Dame. If they want someone, they can come over the line and challenge heavy. Michigan tends to go north of I-70, Notre Dame anywhere with a catholic school/suburban base.
3-6: Kentucky/Michigan State/Kentucky/Pittsburgh. All these staffs have Ohio focused coaching staffs and do their job getting recruits.
7: Penn State (only in Northeast Ohio under JoePa they really did, they don't come into the state often under Franklin)
8: Big Ten (IU, Wisconsin, NW, Iowa, Nebraska come to mind here)
9: Cincinnati (though they are moving up pecking order big time with Fickell going toe to toe with folks in SW Ohio)
10: Toledo/BG/Miami: Tend to recruit the state effectively
11: Maybe OHIO (we don't go recruiting the state hard)
12-13: Kent and Akron. Nuff said here.

Just so you understand where we rank

I would agree with that. The primary difference between that and my list is that it's more specific, whereas I lumped 2-8 together as "other P5 schools".
Agree, just we know full well if a kid is offered by Michigan or Notre Dame, it gets entertaining. Penn State used to be notorious recruiters of NE Ohio and went toe to toe up there. Since Franklin has come into the league, his focus has been on the Maryland/DMV area.
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Posted: 9/10/2017 10:47 PM
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... Penn State used to be notorious recruiters of NE Ohio and went toe to toe up there. Since Franklin has come into the league, his focus has been on the Maryland/DMV area.

DMV?
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Posted: 9/10/2017 11:07 PM
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... Penn State used to be notorious recruiters of NE Ohio and went toe to toe up there. Since Franklin has come into the league, his focus has been on the Maryland/DMV area.

DMV?
Sometimes called DelMarVa -- Delaware, Maryland, Virginia.
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Posted: 9/10/2017 11:24 PM
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... Penn State used to be notorious recruiters of NE Ohio and went toe to toe up there. Since Franklin has come into the league, his focus has been on the Maryland/DMV area.

DMV?
Sometimes called DelMarVa -- Delaware, Maryland, Virginia.
Sorry about that, should have clarified that statement. But yes, Penn State has gone heavily towards the East Coast and have seen the benefits of Maryland in the Big Ten. That said, Maryland is starting to make noise on the recruiting trail in their backyard.
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Posted: 9/11/2017 6:39 AM
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:expand_more
... Penn State used to be notorious recruiters of NE Ohio and went toe to toe up there. Since Franklin has come into the league, his focus has been on the Maryland/DMV area.

DMV?
Sometimes called DelMarVa -- Delaware, Maryland, Virginia.
Sorry about that, should have clarified that statement. But yes, Penn State has gone heavily towards the East Coast and have seen the benefits of Maryland in the Big Ten. That said, Maryland is starting to make noise on the recruiting trail in their backyard.
When Rutgers got into the B1G everyone was talking about how it would improve their recruiting.

It actually had the opposite effect.

Now the other schools in the B1G are spending a lot more time recruiting N.J. talent.
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Posted: 9/11/2017 1:08 PM
When you only have one running back in the backfield, there's not really a lot of options with your running game. I thought Purdue had us guessing a lot more about where the play was going. We never threw to our tight ends until very late in the game. No sign of any reverses or end around. A pretty simple offense in my opinion. We haven't really appeared to change much from last year, except Papi being a full time receiver and some plays under center.
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Posted: 10/1/2017 9:05 PM
So through five games, Ohio is averaging 41.4 points per game. That certainly will go down. Ohio played three very bad defenses. But nonetheless, the offense has been impressive. Ohio has had two of its two highest scoring games in 40-plus years. Has the play-calling improved from past years? Is there more talent on offense?
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Posted: 10/1/2017 9:16 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
So through five games, Ohio is averaging 41.4 points per game. That certainly will go down. Ohio played three very bad defenses. But nonetheless, the offense has been impressive. Ohio has had two of its two highest scoring games in 40-plus years. Has the play-calling improved from past years? Is there more talent on offense?
And that's been done without White for 3+ games and Ball for the season. Things have gone pretty good so far. Stay tuned to see if the offensive turnaround is real. I kind of think it is.
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Posted: 10/1/2017 9:55 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
So through five games, Ohio is averaging 41.4 points per game. That certainly will go down. Ohio played three very bad defenses. But nonetheless, the offense has been impressive. Ohio has had two of its two highest scoring games in 40-plus years. Has the play-calling improved from past years? Is there more talent on offense?
QB play. Rourke has a chance to be the best QB under Solich.
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Posted: 10/1/2017 10:04 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
So through five games, Ohio is averaging 41.4 points per game. That certainly will go down. Ohio played three very bad defenses. But nonetheless, the offense has been impressive. Ohio has had two of its two highest scoring games in 40-plus years. Has the play-calling improved from past years? Is there more talent on offense?
I think that we have already played the two best defenses on the schedule in Purdue and EMU and the worst in Hampton. Most of the rest of the defenses, in terms of how many points teams might score and not necessarily quality of personnel, are about the same caliber as Kansas and UMass. Miami is probably the third toughest on the schedule to get points against.

I'm looking at this as Kent's D may be bad but might not be as bad as some others in terms of actual points allowed because they chew up clock. Toledo is sort of the opposite. Opposing offenses will get more possessions against Toledo and we may still score a lot of points on them even if we are also likely to give up a lot.

I think, if anything, the defenses left on the schedule are worse on average than the average defense that we have already faced so far.
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Posted: 10/1/2017 10:22 PM
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... Penn State used to be notorious recruiters of NE Ohio and went toe to toe up there. Since Franklin has come into the league, his focus has been on the Maryland/DMV area.

DMV?
Sometimes called DelMarVa -- Delaware, Maryland, Virginia.
DC, Maryland, Virginia
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Posted: 10/1/2017 10:51 PM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
So through five games, Ohio is averaging 41.4 points per game. That certainly will go down. Ohio played three very bad defenses. But nonetheless, the offense has been impressive. Ohio has had two of its two highest scoring games in 40-plus years. Has the play-calling improved from past years? Is there more talent on offense?
QB play. Rourke has a chance to be the best QB under Solich.

I agree. So far he has been outstanding by any measure. The scary thing is to remember that he's only been with the Ohio offense for less than a year. The more time he spends in it, the more comfortable he should get with the offense and the other players. He should continue to improve.
Last Edited: 10/1/2017 11:44:16 PM by L.C.
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Posted: 10/1/2017 11:21 PM
crackerbaby00 wrote:expand_more
... Penn State used to be notorious recruiters of NE Ohio and went toe to toe up there. Since Franklin has come into the league, his focus has been on the Maryland/DMV area.

DMV?
Sometimes called DelMarVa -- Delaware, Maryland, Virginia.
DC, Maryland, Virginia
Well, in Delaware and the nearby areas of Virginia and Maryland they do use the term DelMarVa to refer to those three states. So, I just assumed that DMV was a shorted form of DelMarVa. Sorry, if I added to the confusion.
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Posted: 10/1/2017 11:25 PM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
So through five games, Ohio is averaging 41.4 points per game. That certainly will go down. Ohio played three very bad defenses. But nonetheless, the offense has been impressive. Ohio has had two of its two highest scoring games in 40-plus years. Has the play-calling improved from past years? Is there more talent on offense?
QB play. Rourke has a chance to be the best QB under Solich.
Yes.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 10:09 AM
I agree with what everyone is saying. Quarterback play has been the best Ohio has had in several years. I think the offensive line also has played better than in recent years. Also as others have noted, it's been especially impressive for this level of offense to happen with the wide receiver injuries the team has had. Cope has been great.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 11:21 AM
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... Penn State used to be notorious recruiters of NE Ohio and went toe to toe up there. Since Franklin has come into the league, his focus has been on the Maryland/DMV area.

DMV?
Sometimes called DelMarVa -- Delaware, Maryland, Virginia.
DC, Maryland, Virginia
Well, in Delaware and the nearby areas of Virginia and Maryland they do use the term DelMarVa to refer to those three states. So, I just assumed that DMV was a shorted form of DelMarVa. Sorry, if I added to the confusion.
Yea, slightly different but same idea. DMV refers to DC and its suburbs in Maryland and Virginia. Delmarva, as you correctly noted, refers to the peninsula that includes the eastern shores of Maryland and Virginia and the entire state of Delaware. Though some would argue that only the areas "below the canal" are a part of Delmarva, referring to the Chesapeake and Delaware canal that runs through New Castle and Cecil Counties.

Now you know more than you ever cared to about this subject :)
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Posted: 10/2/2017 12:01 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I agree with what everyone is saying. Quarterback play has been the best Ohio has had in several years. I think the offensive line also has played better than in recent years. Also as others have noted, it's been especially impressive for this level of offense to happen with the wide receiver injuries the team has had. Cope has been great.
Hopefully we are starting to get the depth that we've always needed.

Let's hope it stays that's way.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 12:43 PM
Well it's been impressive so far. We all know the injury bug begins hitting for MAC teams this time of year and has a more direct impact on a depth chart in this league than the Power 5. The fact that we've gone relatively unscathed has helped us significantly.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 2:34 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
So through five games, Ohio is averaging 41.4 points per game. That certainly will go down. Ohio played three very bad defenses. But nonetheless, the offense has been impressive. Ohio has had two of its two highest scoring games in 40-plus years. Has the play-calling improved from past years? Is there more talent on offense?
QB play. Rourke has a chance to be the best QB under Solich.

I agree. So far he has been outstanding by any measure. The scary thing is to remember that he's only been with the Ohio offense for less than a year. The more time he spends in it, the more comfortable he should get with the offense and the other players. He should continue to improve.
Which is why I continue to ask why we still employ Isphording. His hand-picked, hand-developed guy, with 2 years in the system, is clearly outplayed by a guy who's been through one spring with the team.

Not only that, but that one guy with just one spring is already being spoken of as potentially the best QB EVER at Ohio.

Isphording is responsible for the worst recruiting class during the Solich era, which likely set the program back 3 years, and he's proven completely ineffective at developing QBs.

Fire Isphording.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 7:49 PM
I'm really wondering why there are no "Fire Burrow" threads this week! ;-)
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