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shabamon
9/30/2017 4:00 PM
What the hell call was that? Lamer than a twice-shot dog.
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LuckySparrow
9/30/2017 8:46 PM
It was an absolutely ridiculous call. At least it was in the first half so he won't miss any time next week.
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89Cat
10/1/2017 12:22 AM
The worst part is that the poor kid lost a whole game of his senior year over a totally incorrect call. I even had to go to the NCAA rules sight to see if the targeting rule had changed. Nope it hasn't . Just a bad call.
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71 BOBCAT
10/1/2017 9:13 AM
Where did they find these refs,
THEY WERE AWFUL, PERIOD
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Obc2
10/1/2017 10:32 AM
the color commentator on Eleven network must have said "he hit him with a flipper" at least a half dozen times.
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bobcatsquared
10/1/2017 12:01 PM
Then, after the long delay to decide the correct call, he complained that the delay was killing UMass' momentum.
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L.C.
10/1/2017 12:15 PM
Eleven network seemed to be filming the game with only a couple cameras. As a result, when the time came for "video review", there wasn't much video to review, and most calls on the field would have been upheld for lack of conclusive evidence to overturn.
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BillyTheCat
10/1/2017 12:38 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Eleven network seemed to be filming the game with only a couple cameras. As a result, when the time came for "video review", there wasn't much video to review, and most calls on the field would have been upheld for lack of conclusive evidence to overturn.
Typical game is 4 cameras. That is what we use for a thing less than a U, CBS or such
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BillyTheCat
10/1/2017 12:40 PM
Obc2 wrote:expand_more
the color commentator on Eleven network must have said "he hit him with a flipper" at least a half dozen times.
Haven't seen the play, but a flipper to the head will get you tossed
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C Money
10/1/2017 1:14 PM
Aloese dropped his head. That's about the only thing I can think that would have been grounds for ejection. But it was such a bang-bang play, I think the call was awfully harsh. It did not appear intentional.
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rpbobcat
10/1/2017 2:23 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Aloese dropped his head. That's about the only thing I can think that would have been grounds for ejection. But it was such a bang-bang play, I think the call was awfully harsh. It did not appear intentional.
The issue of intentional targeting came up during a game I was watching last week.
The initial call was targeting.
The replay showed it wasn't intentional (The player that got hit dropped his shoulder).
Didn't matter,their "rules expert" said its the hit,whether intentional or not.
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El Gato Roberto
10/1/2017 2:46 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
the color commentator on Eleven network must have said "he hit him with a flipper" at least a half dozen times.
Haven't seen the play, but a flipper to the head will get you tossed
Can someone explain what is "a flipper to the head"?
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Joe McKinley
10/1/2017 3:04 PM
^ I'm pretty sure the announcer was suggesting a shoulder blow to the head, but not 100%. I think flipper technique is something linemen use to gain leverage/advantage against an opponent.

I see how using a shoulder pad to the helmet in a tackling situation as described on this play would be dangerous. Intent wouldn't matter.
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Obc2
10/1/2017 5:13 PM
i think flipper is forearm. color guy referenced hit him with a chicken wing too.
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BillyTheCat
10/3/2017 2:24 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Aloese dropped his head. That's about the only thing I can think that would have been grounds for ejection. But it was such a bang-bang play, I think the call was awfully harsh. It did not appear intentional.
The issue of intentional targeting came up during a game I was watching last week.
The initial call was targeting.
The replay showed it wasn't intentional (The player that got hit dropped his shoulder).
Didn't matter,their "rules expert" said its the hit,whether intentional or not.
" Intentional" does not really come into play. Two types of targeting, a Crown play 9-1-4 and a non crown play 9-1-3. A flipper to the head in a thrusting blow would be a 9-1-3, and dropping head to deliver a blow to the head/neck area is a 9-1-4.
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C Money
10/3/2017 3:22 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Aloese dropped his head. That's about the only thing I can think that would have been grounds for ejection. But it was such a bang-bang play, I think the call was awfully harsh. It did not appear intentional.
The issue of intentional targeting came up during a game I was watching last week.
The initial call was targeting.
The replay showed it wasn't intentional (The player that got hit dropped his shoulder).
Didn't matter,their "rules expert" said its the hit,whether intentional or not.
" Intentional" does not really come into play. Two types of targeting, a Crown play 9-1-4 and a non crown play 9-1-3. A flipper to the head in a thrusting blow would be a 9-1-3, and dropping head to deliver a blow to the head/neck area is a 9-1-4.
"Flagrant" is probably the word I should have used instead of "intentional." Any flagrant foul is grounds for ejection.

My reading of 9-1-3 and 9-1-4 are that both require contact be made against the opponent. He did drop his head and lead with the helmet, but there was no contact with it (9-1-3). He made contact with his body, while his head was dropped. It's also hard to argue that the QB had "obviously" given himself up and was defenseless (9-1-4).

As I said, I think the call was harsh under those circumstances. But they're instructed to err on the side of calling the penalty, and that was probably the ref's logic in sustaining the call.
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BillyTheCat
10/4/2017 12:32 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
Aloese dropped his head. That's about the only thing I can think that would have been grounds for ejection. But it was such a bang-bang play, I think the call was awfully harsh. It did not appear intentional.
The issue of intentional targeting came up during a game I was watching last week.
The initial call was targeting.
The replay showed it wasn't intentional (The player that got hit dropped his shoulder).
Didn't matter,their "rules expert" said its the hit,whether intentional or not.
" Intentional" does not really come into play. Two types of targeting, a Crown play 9-1-4 and a non crown play 9-1-3. A flipper to the head in a thrusting blow would be a 9-1-3, and dropping head to deliver a blow to the head/neck area is a 9-1-4.
"Flagrant" is probably the word I should have used instead of "intentional." Any flagrant foul is grounds for ejection.

My reading of 9-1-3 and 9-1-4 are that both require contact be made against the opponent. He did drop his head and lead with the helmet, but there was no contact with it (9-1-3). He made contact with his body, while his head was dropped. It's also hard to argue that the QB had "obviously" given himself up and was defenseless (9-1-4).

As I said, I think the call was harsh under those circumstances. But they're instructed to err on the side of calling the penalty, and that was probably the ref's logic in sustaining the call.
As stated, I have not seen the play, simply quoting the rule. Was this on a sliding QB? The fact that a player would by rule be defenseless changes things as well.
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C Money
10/4/2017 1:55 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
"Flagrant" is probably the word I should have used instead of "intentional." Any flagrant foul is grounds for ejection.

My reading of 9-1-3 and 9-1-4 are that both require contact be made against the opponent. He did drop his head and lead with the helmet, but there was no contact with it (9-1-3). He made contact with his body, while his head was dropped. It's also hard to argue that the QB had "obviously" given himself up and was defenseless (9-1-4).

As I said, I think the call was harsh under those circumstances. But they're instructed to err on the side of calling the penalty, and that was probably the ref's logic in sustaining the call.
As stated, I have not seen the play, simply quoting the rule. Was this on a sliding QB? The fact that a player would by rule be defenseless changes things as well.
It was one of those QB slides that wasn't really a slide. The QB dropped to his knees about a step and a half before he was about to be sandwiched.
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BillyTheCat
10/4/2017 9:02 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
"Flagrant" is probably the word I should have used instead of "intentional." Any flagrant foul is grounds for ejection.

My reading of 9-1-3 and 9-1-4 are that both require contact be made against the opponent. He did drop his head and lead with the helmet, but there was no contact with it (9-1-3). He made contact with his body, while his head was dropped. It's also hard to argue that the QB had "obviously" given himself up and was defenseless (9-1-4).

As I said, I think the call was harsh under those circumstances. But they're instructed to err on the side of calling the penalty, and that was probably the ref's logic in sustaining the call.
As stated, I have not seen the play, simply quoting the rule. Was this on a sliding QB? The fact that a player would by rule be defenseless changes things as well.
It was one of those QB slides that wasn't really a slide. The QB dropped to his knees about a step and a half before he was about to be sandwiched.
The moment the QB drops his hips he is defenseless at that moment.
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L.C.
10/5/2017 11:07 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Eleven network seemed to be filming the game with only a couple cameras. As a result, when the time came for "video review", there wasn't much video to review, and most calls on the field would have been upheld for lack of conclusive evidence to overturn.
Typical game is 4 cameras. That is what we use for a thing less than a U, CBS or such

Based on Solich's comments in press release, the officials did have 4, but the film Ohio had available only had 2.
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