Check my thread last year.....I've been on this train of it's time to push them out. Dunno where you get the idea that I've loved them for the last 8 months. I was right there with Monroe chirping for a change and in fact challenged this very board to raise funds to either make up a move up or move out. I'm sorry, but literally a 4 hour car ride after this game debating the pros and cons of Frank is frustrating as heck. He is literally the Doug Collins of the MAC. Can only take you so far but no further. Yes, it's great to get 8 wins and be in position to win a MAC Championship, but that's all we'll ever be. Never the school to truly threaten to win, but just be good enough to get to Detroit.

I'm amazed that the tight end position is simply never targeted. One catch on what I'm pretty sure was one target to Mason.

Is this stability good? I would rather hire a PJ Fleck every 2 years! I would trade an undefeated regular season and major bowl bid anytime for this type of stability. With all due respect to Coach Solich if a kid hears the recruiting pitch from Coach or PJ Fleck who do you think has the advantage?

It is simply astonishing. A passing catching TE would be a great checkdown safety net over the middle and a red zone target. Mangen and Morgan are both very capable but Albin just wants them to block I guess.

God! some of you guys really overreact! ;)

There is enough blame to go around, but why is the biggest blame always on the offense? Which performed worse? The offense that gained 396 yards and scored 21 points or the defense that gave up 558 yards and 44 points?

We're not saying the defense is immortal gods here. I just didn't have time to assign blame to him considering they ran the same post route on us 6 times over the middle and got god knows how many yards.

No its not SSDD. In some years we have a good non-conference that takes us there in other years its big conference wins. How we get to those 7 or 8 wins varies. I could understand it if every year it was 0-4 non-conference and 8-0 in conference play but that is not what is happening here.

Definitely agree. The stats don't lie in whether the change worked or bit them in the rear. But the bottomline was they were not going to stick with status-quo.

The hope in Minnesota I think is for Fleck to bring the same recruiting classes to Minneapolis that he was able to do Kalamazoo and snag a Cotton Bowl appearance like he was able to do over there. Minneapolis is a great city and football is played in the fall not the winter time so I don't think climate is hurting him too much. Its better than sweltering through the fall playing in Louisiana.

Factual post of the year

The Pelini firing has more parrelles than you will ever admit

Then enlighten me, Billy. This is the way I understand it. Ohio produces a lot of 5-star and 4-star players, unlike Minnesota. For 2018 they have 1 5-star athlete, and 13 4-star athletes, unlike Minnesota, which has none. Ohio also has more than 60 3-star athletes, unlike Minnesota, which has 6. Those four to five star athletes are what powers Ohio State to the top of the B1G every year, and in order to compete, Minnesota is going to need to go out of area to recruit some.

Meanwhile, at Ohio, they need those 3-star athletes to be at the top of the MAC. Unfortunately, the bulk of those 3-star athletes are found, not in Southeastern Ohio, nor in the Valley, but in Southwestern Ohio (the home area for Miami and UC), Northwestern Ohio (the home area for BG and Toledo), or NE Ohio (the home area of Kent and Akron). Some are also in Central Ohio, an area where all the MAC schools compete.

Thus, to succeed, Minnesota must go into the areas of other schools like Ohio State, looking for the 4-5 star athletes it needs, because there aren't enough in their natural recruiting area. Meanwhile, to succeed, Ohio must also recruit out of their area to get the athletes it needs. They do get some from SW Ohio, NE Ohio, and Central Ohio. Alternately, they can go into Pennsylvania, Georgia, Florida, and Oklahoma, like they did last year.

If you're trying to tell me that Ohio, because it bears the state name, has an in, and should naturally be the top recruiting destination in the state behind Ohio State, I don't see that. I think that in recruiting SW Ohio, they are behind in the pecking order, with first being Ohio State, second being other P5 schools, third being "local" schools like UC and Miami, and then Ohio. Ohio is going to get some recruits, but it's never going to be easy. The best recruiting tool they have seems to be the off-campus football camps.