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LynxRufus6
10/10/2017 9:52 PM
While it may sound outrageous at first, Leach makes a pretty good case about why it could work. The 4 team playoff is not "fun". It's political, too small, and predictable.

I also love the idea of having the rest of the FBS compete in a playoff that could have Ohio playing teams from the rest of the field like New Mexico, Boston College, Oregon State, etc.

I know there have been discussions previously about why college football from a Group of 5 perspective isn't as exciting. Could this make college football more enjoyable?
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LynxRufus6
10/10/2017 9:58 PM
Forgot to add the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_nuMEtwUW4
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Jeff McKinney
10/10/2017 10:28 PM
I still think the best answer is to take the Group of Five, add in the top FCS conferences, and have their own playoff. 12 conference Champs plus at large teams.
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LynxRufus6
10/10/2017 11:25 PM
How would you determine which FCS conference is the best?

I wouldn't mind seeing the G5 schools having their own playoffs. Or, having the AAC schools join the P5 thus creating 6 "power" conferences, allowing the other 4 to join the FCS and then expanding their playoff system. I want to see smaller schools have relevance and an opportunity to compete for something other than a conference championship and a Dec 19th bowl game.

Of course the MAC, Sun Belt, MWC, and CUSA would never let that happen because they would see a major loss in revenue. It's alllll about the money, and i'm not sure what this sport looks like in 20 years.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
10/11/2017 10:11 AM
an 8 team playoff with the 6 highest ranked conference champs (guaranteeing a g5 conf champ is in) and two at larges. It's so simple and fair, which is why it will never happen.
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Pataskala
10/11/2017 11:01 AM
The big hangup is the bowl system. In addition to the four bowls currently in the mix, there are about six or seven bowls that are prominent enough (at least from an historical perspective) to want a piece of the action and not be relegated to mid-December. They'll need to be placated before teams are added.

FYI, the ones I'm thinking of are Cotton, Peach, Sun, Liberty, Citrus, Outback, and maybe the bowl formerly known as Gator. They're all played on or around New Year's Day and won't want to be relegated to a lower status. They also have contracts with the "P"s, so they won't want to have their pool of potential teams diluted any further.
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TWT
10/12/2017 1:13 AM
The question in my mind is what system would help OHIO recruit the best? If its a 64 team playoff will the MAC be a 1 bid league? It's a supply and demand thing and when supply is limited as it is in FBS it squeezes up recruiting. Going from six BCS conferences to five power conferences helps our recruiting because the potential is there to be the 6th best conference as a G5. A P3 system where its PAC-12, Big Ten and SEC the true elite and the Big XII and ACC forced down would take away their recruiting advantages over the G5 and force broader post season access. Everyone with a New Year's Bowl but limited access to the playoff. If it becomes a 64 team playoff with the Big XII, ACC and AAC getting 4 or 5 teams in while the MAC has 1 it begins to replicate the problems of basketball.
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TWT
10/12/2017 1:24 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
I still think the best answer is to take the Group of Five, add in the top FCS conferences, and have their own playoff. 12 conference Champs plus at large teams.
What you are saying is take the G5 plus the top 7 FCS conferences. I will make a guess that those top 7 FCS conferences have 10 teams so the new subdivision would be about 130 schools. Would the G5 then drop to 65 scholarships and more or less become FCS? How does the G5 agree to this? G5 is hoping for more realignment to either move up to a power conference or push the Big XII down and squeeze up their conference to the near power level in recruiting.
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TWT
10/12/2017 1:41 AM
PAC-12 grabs 4 universities and the system becomes a P4. Between the PAC-12, Big Ten, SEC and ACC that is 58 FBS institutions. They are comfortable playing each other twice in bowls, 6 total P4. The last 4-5 ties they decide let ESPN be the matchmaker and play regionally against the G5. G5 champs then have either a tie-in with a New Year's game or an at-large to the Cotton, Peach or wherever for its champ (likely the MAC's case). That would serve to benefit the MAC like the saturation to 80 bowls has by giving the MAC 5 bowl games a year has.
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Andrew Ruck
10/12/2017 12:29 PM
NCAA should just say #1 - You are required to be part of a conference to be eligible for the championship. #2 - Every conference is required to have 16 teams. #3 - Every conference is required to have a conference championship.

Let the conferences jockey for teams and see who survives, which would leave you with 8 conferences.

At the end of the season, you hold a tournament of conference champions. That's it. Burn the rankings to the ground and make football be a game that is settled on the field, not by votes and computers and judges like its figure skating or something.
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LynxRufus6
10/12/2017 2:33 PM
The politics that go into conference realignment is something else that's shady. Revenue hogs such as Texas have their own networks, and literally control the entire Big 12. How long until the Alabama's, Ohio State's, and Clemson's start to create their own networks until we have 40 networks of each institution running their own personal ad campaigns year-round.

I really think the $ is creating a huge issue and eventually the NCAA will fall apart. College football is a billion dollar industry and i'm to the point where i'd rather flip on the Ivy League games on NBCSN on Friday nights than the big money juggernauts on Saturday.

In all reality if I had to choose i'd vote that the NFL comes up with it's own farm system that contains kids aged 18-22 that play for a few years and while they develop they get paid and then eventually get drafted for the big bucks. You're either all-in or you're out. If you don't make it, you have spending money and you can do whatever you want.

-Probably not the most popular idea but when you root for a small school like we do it's blatant that Ohio will never compete for anything larger than a NY6 bowl against an at-large P5 school.
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C Money
10/12/2017 5:52 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
NCAA should just say #1 - You are required to be part of a conference to be eligible for the championship. #2 - Every conference is required to have 16 teams. #3 - Every conference is required to have a conference championship.

Let the conferences jockey for teams and see who survives, which would leave you with 8 conferences.

At the end of the season, you hold a tournament of conference champions. That's it. Burn the rankings to the ground and make football be a game that is settled on the field, not by votes and computers and judges like its figure skating or something.
The problem with this is that it makes too much sense, and what would college football be without people sitting around arguing about something?
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TWT
10/12/2017 9:14 PM
LynxRufus6 wrote:expand_more
In all reality if I had to choose i'd vote that the NFL comes up with it's own farm system that contains kids aged 18-22 that play for a few years and while they develop they get paid and then eventually get drafted for the big bucks. You're either all-in or you're out. If you don't make it, you have spending money and you can do whatever you want.
If that were to come to fruition it would hurt the ability of Alabama and Ohio State to stack 5 star recruits and make things more interesting.
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rpbobcat
10/13/2017 8:10 AM
LynxRufus6 wrote:expand_more
In all reality if I had to choose i'd vote that the NFL comes up with it's own farm system that contains kids aged 18-22 that play for a few years and while they develop they get paid and then eventually get drafted for the big bucks. You're either all-in or you're out. If you don't make it, you have spending money and you can do whatever you want.
I agree about the concept of a farm system for the NFL.
The question is logistics.

Currently the NBA and MLB Farm Teams are part of individual teams.

That would mean that the NFL would need to set up some kind of system to draft kids right out of high school,use semi pro players etc. to make up rosters.
Each NFL team would then have to run their own farm system.
That could have a big impact on parity.Something the NFL is hot on.

Another option would be to have the NFL set up its own farm league,say in Europe.
At the end of each season players in that league would be eligible to be drafted by an NFL team.
Last Edited: 10/13/2017 8:12:27 AM by rpbobcat
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The Pessimist
10/13/2017 2:13 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Another option would be to have the NFL set up its own farm league,say in Europe.
Brilliant! And they should call it... NFL Europa!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/NFL_Europe...
Last Edited: 10/13/2017 2:14:09 PM by The Pessimist
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OhioStunter
10/13/2017 2:25 PM
LynxRufus6 wrote:expand_more
The politics that go into conference realignment is something else that's shady. Revenue hogs such as Texas have their own networks, and literally control the entire Big 12. How long until the Alabama's, Ohio State's, and Clemson's start to create their own networks until we have 40 networks of each institution running their own personal ad campaigns year-round.

I really think the $ is creating a huge issue and eventually the NCAA will fall apart.
I've always thought this. With schools creating their own networks and with more access to "internet broadcasts" why will the NCAA be needed? It is essentially a costly middle man. In a way, Notre Dame has been following this model for years and reaping financial benefits. No conference. NBC contract directly.
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rpbobcat
10/13/2017 3:12 PM
The Pessimist wrote:expand_more
Another option would be to have the NFL set up its own farm league,say in Europe.
Brilliant! And they should call it... NFL Europa!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/NFL_Europe...
Knew that was coming as soon as I posted it.

As I recall,and based on a quick google search,the NFL took over what was trying to be spring NFL in Europe.
Then the NFL wanted it to also be a developmental league.

Given the competition for fans and facilities,I don't see the possibility of an NFL "Farm System" working in fall/winter in the States.
Past experience has shown that spring football doesn't seem to work in the states either.

That would seem to leave Europe as a possibility for a "farm league".
The NFL would have to go into it knowing that's what it would be.
Last Edited: 10/13/2017 3:13:37 PM by rpbobcat
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