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Topic: Targeting Calls are getting away from why that rule was put in place
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All football17
10/8/2017 11:03 AM
I've seen to many bad calls for targeting, not even just on us but even the one yesterday in the OSU game.
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Joe McKinley
10/8/2017 11:40 AM
All football17 wrote:expand_more
I've seen to many bad calls for targeting, not even just on us but even the one yesterday in the OSU game.
That was a tough call on Kevin Robbins yesterday. He was doing what guys are coached to do -- pursuing the play. When the QB was hit and spun, he lowered his own head. It looked like Robbins did give a blow to the head with his helmet on replay and I think the review held to the letter of the rule.

I agree with you that this kind of call gets away from the rule's purpose. I just don't know how you can determine intent or dangerous play. That wasn't a dangerous play, but the collision was dangerous.

Losing him for the rest of the game was huge. Hurt our DL depth. His height at 6-4 would've definitely disrupted passing lanes.
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LuckySparrow
10/8/2017 12:10 PM
What the NCAA needs to do right away is eliminate the suspension rules. It makes NO sense and is not fair to the athletes to get suspended for the first half of the next game if they get a targeting call in the 2nd half on a bang bang play. If there's clear malice go ahead and suspend them. Reduce the suspension down to a quarter.
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OU_Country
10/9/2017 10:55 AM
LuckySparrow wrote:expand_more
What the NCAA needs to do right away is eliminate the suspension rules. It makes NO sense and is not fair to the athletes to get suspended for the first half of the next game if they get a targeting call in the 2nd half on a bang bang play. If there's clear malice go ahead and suspend them. Reduce the suspension down to a quarter.
Or even better - unless there's clear malice, don't suspended them at all for the next game.

This is frankly the most poorly executed rule in all of American sports. While I clearly understand the reasoning for it, the execution by referees is bad. The execution of the replay booth folks is flat out embarrassing. I still can't figure out how the NCAA manages to butcher this with HD video replay.
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BillyTheCat
10/9/2017 12:04 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
What the NCAA needs to do right away is eliminate the suspension rules. It makes NO sense and is not fair to the athletes to get suspended for the first half of the next game if they get a targeting call in the 2nd half on a bang bang play. If there's clear malice go ahead and suspend them. Reduce the suspension down to a quarter.
Or even better - unless there's clear malice, don't suspended them at all for the next game.

This is frankly the most poorly executed rule in all of American sports. While I clearly understand the reasoning for it, the execution by referees is bad. The execution of the replay booth folks is flat out embarrassing. I still can't figure out how the NCAA manages to butcher this with HD video replay.
Yeah, sorry, but the rules are the rules. Just because you feel from your recliner that understand the rule and the interpretations. I mean, they are hiring officials every year, could be a great side job for you to pick up since you are so good at this from home.
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Sam bobcat
10/9/2017 12:05 PM
This rule was and is reactionary to begin with and impossible to officiate consistently. That's why it isn't implemented in the NFL. Players would be suing over it. Ruining the game of college football just as fast as the concussion issue it was meant to alleviate IMO.
This rule also seems to be creating even more animosity between officials and fans/players. If you can't touch another players helmet, why wear them? Take the da$% things off and play rugby.
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BillyTheCat
10/9/2017 12:16 PM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
This rule was and is reactionary to begin with and impossible to officiate consistently. That's why it isn't implemented in the NFL. Players would be suing over it. Ruining the game of college football just as fast as the concussion issue it was meant to alleviate IMO.
This rule also seems to be creating even more animosity between officials and fans/players. If you can't touch another players helmet, why wear them? Take the da$% things off and play rugby.

This rule is instituted in the NFL, they just take money from the players, money is going to remedy their actions a lot faster then them sitting out, however, this year the NFL is also ejecting. You cannot fine college players. Same definitions of defenseless player and same penalties, but the league office hands out the fines.
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OU_Country
10/9/2017 12:44 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
What the NCAA needs to do right away is eliminate the suspension rules. It makes NO sense and is not fair to the athletes to get suspended for the first half of the next game if they get a targeting call in the 2nd half on a bang bang play. If there's clear malice go ahead and suspend them. Reduce the suspension down to a quarter.
Or even better - unless there's clear malice, don't suspended them at all for the next game.

This is frankly the most poorly executed rule in all of American sports. While I clearly understand the reasoning for it, the execution by referees is bad. The execution of the replay booth folks is flat out embarrassing. I still can't figure out how the NCAA manages to butcher this with HD video replay.
Yeah, sorry, but the rules are the rules. Just because you feel from your recliner that understand the rule and the interpretations. I mean, they are hiring officials every year, could be a great side job for you to pick up since you are so good at this from home.
Yeah, I think you missed my point - I'm fine with the rule itself. I'm not fine with them throwing a kid out of a game, when it's shown on replay that targeting didn't occur. They do a crappy job with the use of replay. Thanks for the suggestion on the side job. I'm considering meteorology instead - there's likely a longer industry life span. ;)
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LynxRufus6
10/9/2017 1:48 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
What the NCAA needs to do right away is eliminate the suspension rules. It makes NO sense and is not fair to the athletes to get suspended for the first half of the next game if they get a targeting call in the 2nd half on a bang bang play. If there's clear malice go ahead and suspend them. Reduce the suspension down to a quarter.
Or even better - unless there's clear malice, don't suspended them at all for the next game.

This is frankly the most poorly executed rule in all of American sports. While I clearly understand the reasoning for it, the execution by referees is bad. The execution of the replay booth folks is flat out embarrassing. I still can't figure out how the NCAA manages to butcher this with HD video replay.
Yeah, sorry, but the rules are the rules. Just because you feel from your recliner that understand the rule and the interpretations. I mean, they are hiring officials every year, could be a great side job for you to pick up since you are so good at this from home.
Yeah, I think you missed my point - I'm fine with the rule itself. I'm not fine with them throwing a kid out of a game, when it's shown on replay that targeting didn't occur. They do a crappy job with the use of replay. Thanks for the suggestion on the side job. I'm considering meteorology instead - there's likely a longer industry life span. ;)
I don't think BTC even knows what you were initially referring. Go watch the OSU ejection from the first quarter and tell me that "rules are rules". Officials are butchering calls because lack of understanding what the rule consists of. Using the crown of your helmet to deliver a blow against a defenseless player was supposed to be targeting. Instead, it's morphed into
"he hit the guy too hard and the side of his helmet may have grazed the receivers helmet although he lead with his shoulder so we're gonna eject this kid and make him possibly miss half of the next game because we don't know what the hell the rule really is"
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C Money
10/9/2017 2:25 PM
I'd really like to see another replay of the Robbins call. I said when it happened that it was the second worst call I'd ever seen. Live and on the video board, it looked as clean as a tackle could reasonably expected to be.
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Pataskala
10/9/2017 2:39 PM
All targeting calls should be appealable -- to the league or the NCAA -- before a player can be suspended. NFL suspensions are appealable, thanks to the union. College suspensions hurt more than in the NFL because there are fewer games in college ball; each game represents a larger share of the season.
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OU_Country
10/9/2017 3:36 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
I'd really like to see another replay of the Robbins call. I said when it happened that it was the second worst call I'd ever seen. Live and on the video board, it looked as clean as a tackle could reasonably expected to be.
I'd like to see it too. At full speed, I didn't think it was right, but I was in the corner on the railing, and probably 30 yards away.

Agree with Pataskla's idea about appealing for the college game. Seems like a logical move, but who handles it? The conference?
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GoCats105
10/9/2017 3:44 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
All targeting calls should be appealable -- to the league or the NCAA -- before a player can be suspended. NFL suspensions are appealable, thanks to the union. College suspensions hurt more than in the NFL because there are fewer games in college ball; each game represents a larger share of the season.
I'd like the guys in the replay booth or the guys on the field to take some simple Physics classes too. Just because a guy's head snaps backward or forward doesn't necessarily mean it was avoidable helmet-to-helmet contact. If you hit a guy hard enough in any part of the body, the inertia and energy in the neck and head aren't going to stay in the same place. That's what kills me about some of these.
Last Edited: 10/9/2017 3:45:31 PM by GoCats105
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LynxRufus6
10/9/2017 3:49 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I'd really like to see another replay of the Robbins call. I said when it happened that it was the second worst call I'd ever seen. Live and on the video board, it looked as clean as a tackle could reasonably expected to be.
I'd like to see it too. At full speed, I didn't think it was right, but I was in the corner on the railing, and probably 30 yards away.

Agree with Pataskla's idea about appealing for the college game. Seems like a logical move, but who handles it? The conference?
Could be problematic with P5 schools trying to compete for a NC. Nick Saban is notorious for slapping his players on the wrist for punishments. Would the SEC want to suspend a Bama player befofe the iron bowl thus effect their chances to win another title? I think it has to be the NCAA. Even then it's arguably controversial
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Sam bobcat
10/9/2017 4:07 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
This rule was and is reactionary to begin with and impossible to officiate consistently. That's why it isn't implemented in the NFL. Players would be suing over it. Ruining the game of college football just as fast as the concussion issue it was meant to alleviate IMO.
This rule also seems to be creating even more animosity between officials and fans/players. If you can't touch another players helmet, why wear them? Take the da$% things off and play rugby.

This rule is instituted in the NFL, they just take money from the players, money is going to remedy their actions a lot faster then them sitting out, however, this year the NFL is also ejecting. You cannot fine college players. Same definitions of defenseless player and same penalties, but the league office hands out the fines.
The NFL ejects players for intentional and blatant targeting. Happens very rarely. Last one I remember seeing was Burfict vs Brown in LAST years playoffs. Not for helmet contact like in NCAA with players being ejected every week. And I'm curious which pro players told you that taking money from them is more effective at changing their behavior than not letting them play? I don't think that general assumption can be made. Also if they aren't playing due to suspension then they aren't getting a game check anyway.
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bobcat695
10/9/2017 9:18 PM
I just watched the replay of the call on Robbins. That was complete garbage. He was running down a guy from behind, who then spun into him. He didn't hit his helmet. It was a clean tackle. WTF are these replay guys watching? It's bad enough we have the constant delays for replay, but it's made even worse when they botch the call.
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A-townBound
10/10/2017 8:18 AM
Frank discusses the targeting call on Robbins at the 4:50 mark- you can tell he did not care for the call...
https://youtu.be/WQKyhk3v9iE
Last Edited: 10/10/2017 8:18:41 AM by A-townBound
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OU_Country
10/10/2017 12:34 PM
bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
I just watched the replay of the call on Robbins. That was complete garbage. He was running down a guy from behind, who then spun into him. He didn't hit his helmet. It was a clean tackle. WTF are these replay guys watching? It's bad enough we have the constant delays for replay, but it's made even worse when they botch the call.
This is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier in the thread. If there is going to be a replay of it, for crying out loud, get it right or don't use the replay. It's a poorly executed rule on the field, but the officials at least get the benefit of the doubt because they see live, full speed play. The folks in the booth have no excuses with replay. Both Ohio and Ohio State have gripes from this past that there was a player called for targeting who in fact, according to video replay, appears to have not. I would assume there are several other instances that have affected other teams in the FBS in recent weeks as well. The idea behind the rule is absolutely sensible, but incorrectly ejecting/suspending players is inexcusable with modern video technology.
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rpbobcat
10/10/2017 2:37 PM
Just wondering, who does the video review on this type of call ?
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OU_Country
10/10/2017 3:39 PM
Article by an OU grad who covers the Ohio State team for the DDN. There's a piece in here about Urban's thoughts on the call for his team:

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/sports/meyer-concerned-t... /
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