I can tolerate bad losses--they happen--so long as there are good wins to offset.

Here's what I got for bad losses the last 5 and a half seasons:
2017 - CMU
2016 - Texas State
2015 - WMU, Buffalo, BG
2014 - BG
2013 - CMU, BG, Buffalo, Kent
2012 - Miami, Ball State

Good wins:
2017 - none
2016 - Toledo
2015 - Marshall, NIU
2014 - none
2013 - Marshall
2012 - Penn State, UL Monroe

#1, Way more bad losses than good wins
#2, Most of the bad losses are to in-conference teams, and most of the good wins come from out-of-conference teams
#3, Is it, maybe, that the teams we play the most are the most familiar with our tendencies and trends, and know better how to attack us, because we've done things the same damn way for the last 13 years?

Hmmmmm..... [/QUOTE]
Or, is it #4, which is that things are exactly what you would predict from applied statistics?

Let's use 70%-30% as a normal expected win percentage for a game. Ohio is typically favored in about 8 games, and the underdog in about 4 games. So, you would expect a "bad loss" in 8 games * 30% of the time, or 2.4 games a year. You would expect a "good win" in about 4 games * 30% of the time, or about 1.2 games a year. Thus you'd expect about twice as many "bad losses" as "good wins", since Ohio is favored in about twice as many games as they are the underdog.

Looking at your data, Ohio has 12 "bad losses" in 5.5 years, or 2.2 games a year. They have 6 "good wins" in 5.5 years, or 1.1 games/year. That's almost dead on what I would have predicted.

Now, some games are supposedly 60-40, while others are 80-20, but I doubt that if you used "exact" numbers for each game that the answer would be any different.

[QUOTE=bshot44] ...
Dekalb is 64 miles from Chicago ...
Athens is 74 miles from Columbus ...

Oh ... let me guess. Because Chicago is bigger than Columbus, than Dekalb is better off than Athens.
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Name one other MAC program that has had the same coaching staff intact for 13 years ...

Name one other MAC program that consistently schedules weak to very weak out of conference schedules to rack up wins ...

Beating up on UMass, Kansas, Idaho, NM State and FCS punching bags each year isn't exactly something to puff your chest out about ... but it is a good to way to almost guarantee bowl eligibility every year especially when you play in the dumpster fire MAC East.


While yes, technically you're right ... Saturday's loss wasn't like the ones from 2014 & 2015 where Ohio got embarrassed in more than a few games ... but all puzzling losses all the same.

After 13 years, wouldn't you think there would be one year they finally put it all together? I'm not saying a perfect season ... but one void of either a headscratching loss or ass-whooping?

That comment was not Germaine to just you, the almost quarterly threads on the subject bore me and that's exactly what I see in these threads about why one MAC school is better than another. Quite frankly those conversations bore me.

No, because the bad losses are disproportionately conference losses. If it was just statistics, the good win/bad loss mix should be relatively consistent between in-conference and out-of-conference. But 92% of bad losses are conference games, while 67% of good wins are out of conference wins. .. [/QUOTE]
Again, that's more or less what you'd expect to see. Ohio, as an above average team, is favored in more conference games than where they are an underdog, giving them more opportunity for a "bad loss" than opportunities for a good win. Excluding FCS foes, Ohio is more often than not an underdog in OOC games, and therefore has more opportunity for a "good win" than an opportunity for a "bad loss".

For what it's worth, I disagree with you about some of the games in your list:

[QUOTE=C Money]Here's what I got for bad losses the last 5 and a half seasons:
2017 - CMU
2016 - Texas State
2015 - WMU, Buffalo, BG
2014 - BG
2013 - CMU, BG, Buffalo, Kent
2012 - Miami, Ball State

Good wins:
2017 - none
2016 - Toledo
2015 - Marshall, NIU
2014 - none
2013 - Marshall
2012 - Penn State, UL Monroe

Excluding FCS foes, Ohio is more often than not an underdog in OOC games, and therefore has more opportunity for a "good win" than an opportunity for a "bad loss".
[/QUOTE]Disagree. We play, generally, one OOC game to a P5 team where we're the underdog. We play two games that are essentially even or where we're favored.


I'm not including those, because if we are an above-average team, those are the games we should be winning. That's business as usual.

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As far as "bad losses" in conference, for me a bad loss is losing to a team that ends up with a .500 or worse record in MAC play. Here are the MAC records of teams that beat Ohio in that timespan:

LOL, What's the difference? Your mood doesn't seem to change whether we win or lose. If we beat Kent you will talk about them being at the bottom of the dumpster fire. If we get beat by Kent you will talk about how we lost to the bottom of the dumpster fire. Am I right? Either way you will be completely dissatisfied with Ohio football.

27,000 SRO. The New Mexico St. game was 25.9k and from what was said they turned away people. Peden has listed at 24k since the field was lowered. Is it now going to be listed at 27,000 once the academic center is complete? What is the purpose of that to look bigger when negotiating non-conference games? Is 27,000 really the limit or will they let in (list) 28-29k thinking the infrastructure is there to support it?

Top 5 attendances all over 25k ... so I'm guessing with the addition of the student center, you'll be able to "squeeze" 27k in there if you wanted.

Would imagine there's a chance at that happening with Marshall in 2020, UC coming to town in 2021, Iowa State in 2023

I personally believe we should build outto 35-40k, this would allow us to not only recruit bigger athletes, but would also allow us to be more attractive to bigger schools as a home and away series, and the extra revenue would help us fund the program to be competitive on a greater scale. I've actually heard that after the Sook is builtthatthere will be an unveiling of plans to expand the student side of the stadium with some structural repairs, new amenities underneath (bathrooms, concessions, etc) but also build a deck with about 19 rows which will get us to 35,000.

Go Cats

make a pitch to the ACC that if invited we'll expand the capacity to 40,000 seats with a 100 million dollar renovation.