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Mark Lembright '85
10/25/2017 2:31 PM
For all of those that thinks Ohio spends way too much money on football, according to a USA Today article, Coach Solich now only has the 105th highest salary in the FBS. Saban comes in at No.1 at $11.1 million per year.
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Bobcat1996
10/25/2017 2:48 PM
Probably much lower than 105 as the USA Today didn't give Baylor, Miami Fl, Army, Air Force, BYU, USC and a few others.
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bshot44
10/25/2017 3:30 PM
Also has 2nd smallest buyout of any MAC coach ....

Guess there's no worry of him jumping ship ;-)

.... wonder when/if Frank sets sail, will Ohio climb on this list to pay $800k like a Toledo/WMU for a new head coach .....OR ... will they drop towards the Buffalo end and drop the salary to around $400k

I think that will go a long way in determining which direction this program goes post-Frank....

Hard to lure top coaching talent at D1 level for $420k/year
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OUcats82
10/25/2017 3:37 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
Probably much lower than 105 as the USA Today didn't give Baylor, Miami Fl, Army, Air Force, BYU, USC and a few others.
Makes sense on the private schools but does anyone on here smarter than me know why Air Force and Army are not required to disclose the information as I would believe they are federally funded?

I also saw that Temple did not share information. I always thought of them as a public university but I guess they are "state related?" I know PA has their Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education with 14 schools like Slippery Rock and IUP. Can someone familiar with the systems there in basic terms explain the difference?

It's also interesting to see how much money the lower rungs still make for their position as head coach. A small amount compared to the top, but I would think $300,000 + goes pretty far in a place like Las Cruces, NM or Monroe, LA.

Seeing Notre Dame at 64 with a $1.6 million/year seemed a little low for a place with their expectations. I'm sure their package includes a lot more than that for Kelly, especially with the haul they get from Under Armour? Did a little searching on Google but couldn't find anything clear. I believe they've finally paid off Charlie Weis so that has to free up a lot of cash: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/05/15/no... /
Last Edited: 10/25/2017 3:40:36 PM by OUcats82
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DelBobcat
10/25/2017 5:12 PM
OUcats82 wrote:expand_more
Probably much lower than 105 as the USA Today didn't give Baylor, Miami Fl, Army, Air Force, BYU, USC and a few others.
I also saw that Temple did not share information. I always thought of them as a public university but I guess they are "state related?" I know PA has their Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education with 14 schools like Slippery Rock and IUP. Can someone familiar with the systems there in basic terms explain the difference?

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It's confusing, but there are two systems. The State System you mentioned and the Commonwealth System which includes Penn State, Pitt, Temple, and Lincoln. The schools in the Commonwealth System receive public funding but it makes up a smaller portion of their budgets and they retain a lot more freedom to govern themselves.
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Mike Johnson
10/25/2017 5:54 PM
Am I alone in being more interested in rankings other than coach salaries? :-)

Yesterday's USA Today showed the newest Sagarin rankings. Ohio now #70. Behind Toledo but ahead of Miami, Buffalo and Akron.

Love to see Ohio climb to where it was when Grobe's team got off to a 7-1 start with the only loss 3 pts to ranked Kansas State and a win at Maryland. I think Ohio topped out at about 31 in the Sagarins.
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OhioCatFan
10/25/2017 8:51 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Also has 2nd smallest buyout of any MAC coach ....

Guess there's no worry of him jumping ship ;-)

.... wonder when/if Frank sets sail, will Ohio climb on this list to pay $800k like a Toledo/WMU for a new head coach .....OR ... will they drop towards the Buffalo end and drop the salary to around $400k

I think that will go a long way in determining which direction this program goes post-Frank....

Hard to lure top coaching talent at D1 level for $420k/year
I'd be very surprised if OHIO didn't hire one of the assistants as HC when Frank retires, assuming the program is at the current level or better when that happens.
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The Pessimist
10/25/2017 11:02 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I'd be very surprised if OHIO didn't hire one of the assistants as HC when Frank retires, assuming the program is at the current level or better when that happens.
And make it a package deal with the other existing staff so we can continue featuring how long these guys have stuck together a staff, right?
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OhioCatFan
10/26/2017 12:44 AM
The Pessimist wrote:expand_more
I'd be very surprised if OHIO didn't hire one of the assistants as HC when Frank retires, assuming the program is at the current level or better when that happens.
And make it a package deal with the other existing staff so we can continue featuring how long these guys have stuck together a staff, right?
That's actually not too unlikely, IMHO.
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Recovering Journalist
10/26/2017 8:53 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I'd be very surprised if OHIO didn't hire one of the assistants as HC when Frank retires, assuming the program is at the current level or better when that happens.
Because that worked so well last time we did it.
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BillyTheCat
10/26/2017 11:18 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I'd be very surprised if OHIO didn't hire one of the assistants as HC when Frank retires, assuming the program is at the current level or better when that happens.
And make it a package deal with the other existing staff so we can continue featuring how long these guys have stuck together a staff, right?
That's actually not too unlikely, IMHO.
And the last time Schaus has hired an assistant was?
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OhioCatFan
10/26/2017 11:36 AM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
I'd be very surprised if OHIO didn't hire one of the assistants as HC when Frank retires, assuming the program is at the current level or better when that happens.
Because that worked so well last time we did it.
The last time we did it, the circumstances were very different. And, the assistant hired did not have the proper experience to be an HC. Albin was a very successful head coach at a small NAIA college, and Burrow has been a high school head coach. That's very different from Knorr's background.

BTC, I don't think Schaus' past behavior in selecting coaches for other sports is very relevant to what he might do to fill a football vacancy. When Frank retires, it'll be a very different ball game (pardon the pun) than what we've faced in recent years in any sport, especially if the program continues to gain strength and has won a few MACCs.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
10/26/2017 11:55 AM
Is there another Solich type coach out there who'd see what Frank did here and want to try to keep this thing rolling? It's the only way to get a proven, top-flight coach and not pay him like one.

Really, Grobe was always the guy I thought might be the candidate to come back, but Solich stayed longer than I thought he would. Grobe might've aged out of that window.
Last Edited: 10/26/2017 11:55:49 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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BillyTheCat
10/26/2017 12:08 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I'd be very surprised if OHIO didn't hire one of the assistants as HC when Frank retires, assuming the program is at the current level or better when that happens.
Because that worked so well last time we did it.
The last time we did it, the circumstances were very different. And, the assistant hired did not have the proper experience to be an HC. Albin was a very successful head coach at a small NAIA college, and Burrow has been a high school head coach. That's very different from Knorr's background.

BTC, I don't think Schaus' past behavior in selecting coaches for other sports is very relevant to what he might do to fill a football vacancy. When Frank retires, it'll be a very different ball game (pardon the pun) than what we've faced in recent years in any sport, especially if the program continues to gain strength and has won a few MACCs.
So, you are advocating a guy who has a "Fire him" post about 2-3 times a year? And you really want to equate being successful head coach at the NAIA level? This board would be a riot then! And you equate being a successful High School Head Coach to being a successful DI head coach? That clearly expands the applicant pool!!! I personally support both of those guys and would be happy for either one of them. Your rational is just amusing!
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Mark Lembright '85
10/26/2017 12:37 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I'd be very surprised if OHIO didn't hire one of the assistants as HC when Frank retires, assuming the program is at the current level or better when that happens.
And make it a package deal with the other existing staff so we can continue featuring how long these guys have stuck together a staff, right?
That's actually not too unlikely, IMHO.
And the last time Schaus has hired an assistant was?
Has Schaus ever hired a football coach before? I doubt he has since Wichita State didn't have a football program while he was there. So maybe he deviates from prior hires?

But I tend to agree; hiring assistants doesn't seem to be Schaus' MO.
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L.C.
10/26/2017 1:08 PM
I'm not advocating hiring an Assistant, but if Schaus did, I would think this would be an entirely different situation than Knorr. As I understand it, Grobe left and took his entire staff save Knorr, and Knorr had to create an entirely new staff from scratch.
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Joe Green
10/26/2017 4:55 PM
Les Miles is out there and unlikely to get a P5 job anytime soon
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OhioCatFan
10/26/2017 9:59 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I'd be very surprised if OHIO didn't hire one of the assistants as HC when Frank retires, assuming the program is at the current level or better when that happens.
Because that worked so well last time we did it.
The last time we did it, the circumstances were very different. And, the assistant hired did not have the proper experience to be an HC. Albin was a very successful head coach at a small NAIA college, and Burrow has been a high school head coach. That's very different from Knorr's background.

BTC, I don't think Schaus' past behavior in selecting coaches for other sports is very relevant to what he might do to fill a football vacancy. When Frank retires, it'll be a very different ball game (pardon the pun) than what we've faced in recent years in any sport, especially if the program continues to gain strength and has won a few MACCs.
So, you are advocating a guy who has a "Fire him" post about 2-3 times a year? And you really want to equate being successful head coach at the NAIA level? This board would be a riot then! And you equate being a successful High School Head Coach to being a successful DI head coach? That clearly expands the applicant pool!!! I personally support both of those guys and would be happy for either one of them. Your rational is just amusing!
You are misreading me. I'm not really advocating anything. I'm just telling you what I think is likely. I'm also not saying that being a high school head coach is the same thing as being a college head coach. I'm just saying that it's more head coaching experience than anything Knorr had at any level. And, I could be wrong, but I don't think a BA riot would influence Schaus' decision making at all. Although, it might be fun to watch the histrionics on the board. There might be seismic activity detectable in California with an epicenter near Oxnard.
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TWT
10/26/2017 11:03 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I'd be very surprised if OHIO didn't hire one of the assistants as HC when Frank retires, assuming the program is at the current level or better when that happens.
Because that worked so well last time we did it.
The last time we did it, the circumstances were very different. And, the assistant hired did not have the proper experience to be an HC. Albin was a very successful head coach at a small NAIA college, and Burrow has been a high school head coach. That's very different from Knorr's background.
What about Scott Isphording? A co-offensive coordinator this season it is at least plausible he could be selected as a successor to Frank. If you've liked his work with Windham and Rourke it could make sense.
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TWT
10/26/2017 11:16 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Also has 2nd smallest buyout of any MAC coach ....

Guess there's no worry of him jumping ship ;-)

.... wonder when/if Frank sets sail, will Ohio climb on this list to pay $800k like a Toledo/WMU for a new head coach .....OR ... will they drop towards the Buffalo end and drop the salary to around $400k

I think that will go a long way in determining which direction this program goes post-Frank.
I agree. Ohio has since the Attack Cat era always hired HC's in football and basketball at the very top of the MAC's salary range to try and push the conference up. This time in football with the salaries so high up there it may not be record breaking salary but within the same ballpark as Toledo/WMU.
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TWT
10/26/2017 11:28 PM
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Les Miles is out there and unlikely to get a P5 job anytime soon
RichRod if he wears out his welcome at Arizona would be a good one. He's 41-31 in six years there but only 22-27 in PAC-12 play. If he fails at a second tier power job the next option is the G5. Coached all over the state of West Virginia so could bring fans in. He developed the spread option and at WVU 70 to 75 percent of his plays were run so would be a good fit for our system. Had a strong recruiting pipeline to Florida so a good fit for our recruiting style. He's currently 54 and may be 60 by the time Solich retires.
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L.C.
10/27/2017 8:12 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
What about Scott Isphording? A co-offensive coordinator this season it is at least plausible he could be selected as a successor to Frank. If you've liked his work with Windham and Rourke it could make sense.

Is he still a co-offensive coordinator?
http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/fball/coaches/index
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OUcats82
10/27/2017 9:16 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Les Miles is out there and unlikely to get a P5 job anytime soon
RichRod if he wears out his welcome at Arizona would be a good one. He's 41-31 in six years there but only 22-27 in PAC-12 play. If he fails at a second tier power job the next option is the G5. Coached all over the state of West Virginia so could bring fans in. He developed the spread option and at WVU 70 to 75 percent of his plays were run so would be a good fit for our system. Had a strong recruiting pipeline to Florida so a good fit for our recruiting style. He's currently 54 and may be 60 by the time Solich retires.
That's definitely an interesting name. If he gets released from Arizona a G5 school seems to be his next likely destination if he wants to be a head coach. He would have some P5 options possibly as a coordinator/position coach I would guess. Unfortunately his best team at Arizona happened to be during the same season a guy named Marcus Mariota was still playing for Oregon. They did go 1-1 against them that year-unfortunately it was the rematch where they couldn't bring the same level of play. Had he taken the Wildcats to the Rose Bowl that year he would possibly have a little bit longer leash as I believe they are still the only "Pac 10" school to not ever play in the Granddaddy of the All? Obviously Utah and Colorado have not yet gone as Pac 10/12 members.

Speaking of our neighbors to the East-do you think that enough of them would let bygones be bygones after how RichRod left Morgantown for Ann Arbor?
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OhioCatFan
10/27/2017 10:43 AM
OUcats82 wrote:expand_more
. . . Speaking of our neighbors to the East-do you think that enough of them would let bygones be bygones after how RichRod left Morgantown for Ann Arbor?
AT least according to my West Virginia friends the bad blood between him and WVU fans will be remembered as long as the animosity between the Hatfields and the McCoys. Mountaineers can hold a grudge better than most!
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Bobcat110
10/27/2017 11:50 AM
Not bad for 78th best team in the country. So at least 27 teams are overpaying their coach.

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
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