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OU_Country
10/24/2017 2:55 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
About 15 years ago my service club I am in ran one of the concession stands (I believe we got a very small part of the till). What we saw then was a bit like "who is on first" with basic supplies delivered in a somewhat haphazard fashion and things running out at inopportune times. Sounds like things have not changed all that much. When I worked for Ponderosa Steakhouse as an assistant manager, we were told that everything ultimately rests upon the managers. Good managers-things run smoothly, not so good managers-problems develop.


Sad thing is that now concessions is actually run by a "professional" outfit.
It would seem that the contract might need to be re-bid?
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SBH
10/24/2017 3:55 PM
I'm just glad I don't own a retail business. Having to rely on some of today's younger workers would be very frustrating.

During one of my transactions at the concessions counter this past Saturday, my total was $10.50. I handed the young lady a $20 bill and two quarters. She needed her calculator (on an iPhone) to make change.

What are you teaching in math class these days, Bobcatsquared?
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bobcatsquared
10/24/2017 6:41 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
I'm just glad I don't own a retail business. Having to rely on some of today's younger workers would be very frustrating.

During one of my transactions at the concessions counter this past Saturday, my total was $10.50. I handed the young lady a $20 bill and two quarters. She needed her calculator (on an iPhone) to make change.

What are you teaching in math class these days, Bobcatsquared?
Dang Common Core!!
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RSBobcat
10/25/2017 12:38 AM
Time for a weekly AD presser. Take questions from BA or other fans/community online breaking down the successes and misses last game, and what expectations are for the next game.

A regular cadence of public paying/donors/customers facing accountability never hurt any publicly owned business or organization - unless they are screwin' up or just not good at explaining their game plan and success vs that plan....

"Uh, Mr AD, the beer sales have been profitable, but the completions vs attempts rate has been low, how will you address that moving forward?"

"The team has been pretty hot in spite of some often missing pieces. What is the expected availability for hot beverages next week? Coffee AND Cocoa still not confirmed able to be in play? One, or both?

"Parking efficiency has been pretty inconsistent. Is there a plan to improve the START of the "Game Day In Athens" Athletics Dept marketing promotion tagline?

"Have you ever been in one of the ground level restrooms on the Tower side of the stadium"?

"Why are the all Gatorade and shaved ice drinks only either Red or Blue? Why no Green?"
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SBH
10/25/2017 8:17 AM
Answer to all: "It's a great day to be a Bobcat."

Good stuff.
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Alan Swank
10/25/2017 11:00 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
I'm just glad I don't own a retail business. Having to rely on some of today's younger workers would be very frustrating.

During one of my transactions at the concessions counter this past Saturday, my total was $10.50. I handed the young lady a $20 bill and two quarters. She needed her calculator (on an iPhone) to make change.

What are you teaching in math class these days, Bobcatsquared?
Dang Common Core!!
Common core addresses this. It's "local control" that has got us in the mess we're in today.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/issues/common-core-state-standa...
Last Edited: 10/25/2017 11:07:15 AM by Alan Swank
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OhioCatFan
10/25/2017 12:32 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I'm just glad I don't own a retail business. Having to rely on some of today's younger workers would be very frustrating.

During one of my transactions at the concessions counter this past Saturday, my total was $10.50. I handed the young lady a $20 bill and two quarters. She needed her calculator (on an iPhone) to make change.

What are you teaching in math class these days, Bobcatsquared?
Dang Common Core!!
Common core addresses this. It's "local control" that has got us in the mess we're in today.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/issues/common-core-state-standa...
Let's just let the UN run our schools, then you'd finally be happy.
Last Edited: 10/25/2017 9:01:43 PM by OhioCatFan
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The Optimist
10/25/2017 1:02 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I'm just glad I don't own a retail business. Having to rely on some of today's younger workers would be very frustrating.

During one of my transactions at the concessions counter this past Saturday, my total was $10.50. I handed the young lady a $20 bill and two quarters. She needed her calculator (on an iPhone) to make change.

What are you teaching in math class these days, Bobcatsquared?
Dang Common Core!!
Common core addresses this. It's "local control" that has got us in the mess we're in today.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/issues/common-core-state-standa...
Let just let the UN run our schools, then you'd finally be happy.
It's all sunshine and rainbows until the UN builds bike lanes in your neighborhoods.
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C Money
10/25/2017 2:57 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I'm just glad I don't own a retail business. Having to rely on some of today's younger workers would be very frustrating.

During one of my transactions at the concessions counter this past Saturday, my total was $10.50. I handed the young lady a $20 bill and two quarters. She needed her calculator (on an iPhone) to make change.

What are you teaching in math class these days, Bobcatsquared?
Dang Common Core!!
Common core addresses this. It's "local control" that has got us in the mess we're in today.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/issues/common-core-state-standa...
Well, since we're off topic anyway, here's a question for those of you in public education: Is a school district in Ohio required to provide to parents copies of the standards and objectives that students are expected to meet? (Are they even required to actually have standards in writing???)

The situation: My eldest started Kindergarten this year. By all accounts, he's a bright kid. His pre-K teacher told us he was the most well-rounded kid the teacher had ever had. No behavior problems--in fact, last month he won his class award for exemplifying good character.

So this week, we get a stack of papers from his teacher where he had been tested for writing and math. Not standardized testing--graded assignments. The batch is mostly Cs, Ds, and Fs. From what I can tell, the problem isn't that he doesn't know his letters or numbers, or can't follow instructions or count, or do the things that I would expect a Kindergartner to do. It's that his fine motor skills aren't great and he doesn't put the answers right perfectly on the line. So the teacher marks them incorrect.

I cannot find anything at the state level stating that Kindergartners are expected to have perfect penmanship. The K-3 standards don't appear to address writing at all. The pre-K standards do--but it's pretty much can the kid make a symbol that sorta looks like the letter and use the quasi-letters plus pictures to tell a story.

If the school wants to have standards that exceed the state standards, I don't think there is a problem with that, but it's never been communicated to us. I've searched the district website, and there's nothing. Setting aside the fact that letter grades for Kindergartners seems pretty ridiculous, I don't get how I'm supposed to know to drill these extraordinary objectives with my kid if I'm never told what the standards are. And if there are no standards, how the hell did this curriculum get developed?

(Or, as the conspiracy theorist in me wants to believe, are letter grades some bogus method of trying to get parents' attention? My son has no clue what they mean.)
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OhioCatFan
10/25/2017 2:58 PM

The Optimist wrote:expand_more
I'm just glad I don't own a retail business. Having to rely on some of today's younger workers would be very frustrating.

During one of my transactions at the concessions counter this past Saturday, my total was $10.50. I handed the young lady a $20 bill and two quarters. She needed her calculator (on an iPhone) to make change.

What are you teaching in math class these days, Bobcatsquared?


Dang Common Core!!


Common core addresses this. It's "local control" that has got us in the mess we're in today.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/issues/common-core-state-standa...


Let just let the UN run our schools, then you'd finally be happy.


It's all sunshine and rainbows until the UN builds bike lanes in your neighborhoods.
 

smiley

 Rainbow land

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Robert Fox
10/25/2017 3:12 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
It's "local control" that has got us in the mess we're in today.
Down with locals! Up with central office bureaucrats!
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Alan Swank
10/25/2017 3:29 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
I'm just glad I don't own a retail business. Having to rely on some of today's younger workers would be very frustrating.

During one of my transactions at the concessions counter this past Saturday, my total was $10.50. I handed the young lady a $20 bill and two quarters. She needed her calculator (on an iPhone) to make change.

What are you teaching in math class these days, Bobcatsquared?
Dang Common Core!!
Common core addresses this. It's "local control" that has got us in the mess we're in today.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/issues/common-core-state-standa...
Well, since we're off topic anyway, here's a question for those of you in public education: Is a school district in Ohio required to provide to parents copies of the standards and objectives that students are expected to meet? (Are they even required to actually have standards in writing???)

The situation: My eldest started Kindergarten this year. By all accounts, he's a bright kid. His pre-K teacher told us he was the most well-rounded kid the teacher had ever had. No behavior problems--in fact, last month he won his class award for exemplifying good character.

So this week, we get a stack of papers from his teacher where he had been tested for writing and math. Not standardized testing--graded assignments. The batch is mostly Cs, Ds, and Fs. From what I can tell, the problem isn't that he doesn't know his letters or numbers, or can't follow instructions or count, or do the things that I would expect a Kindergartner to do. It's that his fine motor skills aren't great and he doesn't put the answers right perfectly on the line. So the teacher marks them incorrect.

I cannot find anything at the state level stating that Kindergartners are expected to have perfect penmanship. The K-3 standards don't appear to address writing at all. The pre-K standards do--but it's pretty much can the kid make a symbol that sorta looks like the letter and use the quasi-letters plus pictures to tell a story.

If the school wants to have standards that exceed the state standards, I don't think there is a problem with that, but it's never been communicated to us. I've searched the district website, and there's nothing. Setting aside the fact that letter grades for Kindergartners seems pretty ridiculous, I don't get how I'm supposed to know to drill these extraordinary objectives with my kid if I'm never told what the standards are. And if there are no standards, how the hell did this curriculum get developed?

(Or, as the conspiracy theorist in me wants to believe, are letter grades some bogus method of trying to get parents' attention? My son has no clue what they mean.)
What's happening in your child's class is what is call developmentally inappropriate practice. Letter grades for a 5 or 6 year old? What a way to destroy a student before they ever get started on their educational journey. I'd be real interested to know where your child goes to school.
Last Edited: 10/25/2017 3:35:09 PM by Alan Swank
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Alan Swank
10/25/2017 3:33 PM
Robert Fox wrote:expand_more
It's "local control" that has got us in the mess we're in today.
Down with locals! Up with central office bureaucrats!
Robert it's because of local control that we have such a great disparity in outcomes in our public schools from state to state. When I was a regional vice president for the northeast the level of education that I saw on a daily basis in the public schools far outpaced what i saw here in Ohio and down south. This report clearly shows that. If you want to keep local control and continue to fall farther and farther behind, so be it. But if you want kids in Knoxville to be able to give SBH the correct change, give the governors and educational leaders of our 50 states who came up with the plan a chance to see it through to implementation.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education
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WishIWasAtLuckys
10/25/2017 4:13 PM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Time for a weekly AD presser. Take questions from BA or other fans/community online breaking down the successes and misses last game, and what expectations are for the next game.

A regular cadence of public paying/donors/customers facing accountability never hurt any publicly owned business or organization - unless they are screwin' up or just not good at explaining their game plan and success vs that plan....

"Uh, Mr AD, the beer sales have been profitable, but the completions vs attempts rate has been low, how will you address that moving forward?"

"The team has been pretty hot in spite of some often missing pieces. What is the expected availability for hot beverages next week? Coffee AND Cocoa still not confirmed able to be in play? One, or both?

"Parking efficiency has been pretty inconsistent. Is there a plan to improve the START of the "Game Day In Athens" Athletics Dept marketing promotion tagline?

"Have you ever been in one of the ground level restrooms on the Tower side of the stadium"?

"Why are the all Gatorade and shaved ice drinks only either Red or Blue? Why no Green?"
This. This. This.
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Sam bobcat
10/25/2017 4:27 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
It's "local control" that has got us in the mess we're in today.
Down with locals! Up with central office bureaucrats!
Robert it's because of local control that we have such a great disparity in outcomes in our public schools from state to state. When I was a regional vice president for the northeast the level of education that I saw on a daily basis in the public schools far outpaced what i saw here in Ohio and down south. This report clearly shows that. If you want to keep local control and continue to fall farther and farther behind, so be it. But if you want kids in Knoxville to be able to give SBH the correct change, give the governors and educational leaders of our 50 states who came up with the plan a chance to see it through to implementation.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education
Yeah...the federal govt is doing a bang up job with everything else.
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L.C.
10/25/2017 5:20 PM
The biggest disadvantage of local control is that some local districts will underperform. The biggest advantage of local control is that some districts outperform. This allows the underperforming districts to realize that they need to improve (or the parents to realize that). It also allows the parents an option of moving to am area with better schools. As people move, areas with good schools see rising real estate prices, rewarding people who were willing to fund their schools adequately.

The advantage of central control is equalizing things to some extent. Unfortunately, that usually means lowering the best schools down to the common level more than raising the worse schools.
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Joe McKinley
10/25/2017 6:08 PM
Two things:

1. SBH tells a great concessions story. Drama. Humor. Irony. Legitimate issues discussed. Nice!

2. Somebody get this education talk over to Siberia. It's a good and robust conversation which deserves it's own space in the right location.
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BillyTheCat
10/25/2017 7:18 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
It's "local control" that has got us in the mess we're in today.
Down with locals! Up with central office bureaucrats!
Robert it's because of local control that we have such a great disparity in outcomes in our public schools from state to state. When I was a regional vice president for the northeast the level of education that I saw on a daily basis in the public schools far outpaced what i saw here in Ohio and down south. This report clearly shows that. If you want to keep local control and continue to fall farther and farther behind, so be it. But if you want kids in Knoxville to be able to give SBH the correct change, give the governors and educational leaders of our 50 states who came up with the plan a chance to see it through to implementation.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education
How can we teach students to be global citizens and provide the skills needed in a modern society if we fail to educate them beyond the imaginations of 5 locals, who are often times themselves uneducated.

Let that sink in for a second, in education, education can and is often times controlled by the uneducated.
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OhioCatFan
10/25/2017 9:08 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Let that sink in for a second, in education, education can and is often times controlled by the uneducated.
And some of those uneducated buffoons are in Columbus and Washington, D.C.
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OhioCatFan
10/25/2017 9:09 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
What's happening in your child's class is what is call developmentally inappropriate practice. Letter grades for a 5 or 6 year old? What a way to destroy a student before they ever get started on their educational journey. I'd be real interested to know where your child goes to school.
I agree totally with Alan on this one!
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L.C.
10/25/2017 11:07 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
How can we teach students to be global citizens and provide the skills needed in a modern society if we fail to educate them beyond the imaginations of 5 locals, who are often times themselves uneducated.

Let that sink in for a second, in education, education can and is often times controlled by the uneducated.

And, somehow, miraculously, with schools all under local control for over two hundred years, our country advanced anyway, and was once considered a leader in education. In the last fifty years, though, much has changed. Control is increasingly moved away from local control to central control. Expenditure per student in constant dollars has risen dramatically, up nearly 400% in fifty years.

And, how are schools doing? Well, SAT scores have been falling. In international comparisons, US students now place behind virtually every other developed countries in Math and Science.

Clearly something must be done. If increased spending, and more centralized education control has moved us to the bottom of the heap, then it seems clear enough, that the only solution is even more spending, and more centralized educational control.
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OhioCatFan
10/26/2017 12:47 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Clearly something must be done. If increased spending, and more centralized education control has moved us to the bottom of the heap, then it seems clear enough, that the only solution is even more spending, and more centralized educational control.
You've capture in two sentences a major fallacy of "progressive" thought in the US today.
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OUcats82
10/26/2017 8:12 AM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
The biggest disadvantage of local control is that some local districts will underperform. The biggest advantage of local control is that some districts outperform. This allows the underperforming districts to realize that they need to improve (or the parents to realize that). It also allows the parents an option of moving to am area with better schools. As people move, areas with good schools see rising real estate prices, rewarding people who were willing to fund their schools adequately.

The advantage of central control is equalizing things to some extent. Unfortunately, that usually means lowering the best schools down to the common level more than raising the worse schools.
Well I am guilty of contributing to this dynamic. My wife and I lived in an underperforming school district when we first got married but it was where our budget allowed for a modest but quality house. Not long after our first child was born we moved out to a highly rated school district where our means may not buy as much house but ensures that our two sons will get a really good education and will also be in a strong extracurricular setting. We have higher property taxes and pay an extra earned income district tax but to us it is worth it. We thought about staying in the underperforming district and going the private school route but we're both believers in public education (but obviously in a certain setting since we chose to move).

I personally do not care for the way things are in Ohio currently but we knew it was going to be easier to move to a different district than try to wait for the system to change. I also sometimes feel guilty for not staying and trying to improve the district profile by being active/engaged parents and having students to help improve things as well.
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Andrew Ruck
10/26/2017 9:07 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Sad thing is that now concessions is actually run by a "professional" outfit.
Wait, what? No. No way. I had my typical eye-rolling face-palming concession experience Saturday and walked away shrugging my shoulders assuming it was still random fundraising groups that are just thrown into the fire not knowing what they are doing. You're telling me these workers were actual employees hired and trained for the purposes of serving concessions? That can't be true.
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BillyTheCat
10/26/2017 10:34 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Let that sink in for a second, in education, education can and is often times controlled by the uneducated.
And some of those uneducated buffoons are in Columbus and Washington, D.C.
I do not disagree....again, the only field run by non-professionals
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