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shabamon
11/8/2017 8:57 PM
What the hell was that? DL Knock gets his brain smashed and nothing. Even Desmond Howard said he could hear the crack from the booth.



I don't know what targeting is anymore. OCF doesn't know what pass interference is anymore. If you watched Miami/Akron last night, you may not be all that sure what a catch is anymore.
Last Edited: 11/8/2017 9:00:35 PM by shabamon
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BryanHall
11/8/2017 9:00 PM
Looked like a textbook example of targeting to me.
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rpbobcat
11/9/2017 6:43 AM
The ESPN broadcasters sure made it sound like targeting.

It was also pretty clear on the replay.

The ref's explanation why it wasn't made no sense.

When we kept getting hit with targeting calls the explanation was that it was "the act",regardless of cause or intent.
Seems like the refs had a different interpretation of the rule on that play.
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BillyTheCat
11/9/2017 6:49 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
What the hell was that? DL Knock gets his brain smashed and nothing. Even Desmond Howard said he could hear the crack from the booth.



I don't know what targeting is anymore. OCF doesn't know what pass interference is anymore. If you watched Miami/Akron last night, you may not be all that sure what a catch is anymore.
Did not meet the definition of targeting. #1 Knock was never considered a defenseless player by rule. There are different types of a target (2), and for a target on a defenseless player there does not have to be intent, on a non-defenseless player there must be intent and an indicator present.
Last Edited: 11/9/2017 6:51:35 AM by BillyTheCat
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rpbobcat
11/9/2017 7:42 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
What the hell was that? DL Knock gets his brain smashed and nothing. Even Desmond Howard said he could hear the crack from the booth.



I don't know what targeting is anymore. OCF doesn't know what pass interference is anymore. If you watched Miami/Akron last night, you may not be all that sure what a catch is anymore.
Did not meet the definition of targeting. #1 Knock was never considered a defenseless player by rule. There are different types of a target (2), and for a target on a defenseless player there does not have to be intent, on a non-defenseless player there must be intent and an indicator present.
Looking at the replay,the Toledo player lead with crown of his helmet.
That's "intent".

No question Ohio's player "dipped" his head at the end of the play.
That "dip" caused a "helmet to helmet" hit.

The point the broadcasters seemed to be stressing was not the helmet to helmet,but leading with the crown.

Based on the wording in the rule,just leading with the crown of the helmet should have triggered a targeting call.
Last Edited: 11/9/2017 7:43:18 AM by rpbobcat
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100%Cat
11/9/2017 8:08 AM
I've seen a lot less resulting in a targeting call and ejection.
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doubledribble
11/9/2017 9:36 AM
It will be interesting to see if Ohio receives an apology from the league office after they review this play more thoroughly. Will fly the drone over the offices the next couple of days and see if I can pick up intel.
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A-townBound
11/9/2017 9:57 AM
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rpbobcat
11/9/2017 10:09 AM
Frank or someone on his staff should download a replay to their phone.

Then,the next time we get hit with a targeting call, he can show it to the referee.
Last Edited: 11/9/2017 10:09:35 AM by rpbobcat
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boydhallbobcat
11/9/2017 10:09 AM
Is there video of it? I was at the game and couldn't see it clearly.
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bobcatgrad
11/9/2017 10:48 AM
It's a close call, but I can see why targeting wasn't called looking at the 1 hr 22 min mark of a video you can easily find online. A really tough one to call I think.
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GroverBall
11/9/2017 12:25 PM
After the play was reviewed, the head referee on the field explained that there was no targeting because it was not "forcable"? I think that's what he said but maybe he said enforceable? But neither makes sense to me.
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Pataskala
11/9/2017 4:44 PM
boydhallbobcat wrote:expand_more
Is there video of it? I was at the game and couldn't see it clearly.
The replay of the game is up on Watch ESPN. I think you can fast forward through it, although it's a game worth watching again.

I was surprised they didn't call it. I told my wife last night that Knock dipping his helmet was a pure reflex action. If he hadn't, he would've taken a helmet to the jaw and likely would've been knocked unconscious.
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