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Alan Swank
11/4/2017 5:43 PM
Pete Chouteau wrote:expand_more
I always get very tired after drinking at Casa.
But do you drive the wrong way? Couldn't resist that setup Pete. :)
Last Edited: 11/4/2017 5:58:28 PM by Alan Swank
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L.C.
11/4/2017 8:09 PM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
Your mistake is considering Casa to be Mexican food. It's vaguely Mexican inspired locally sourced hippy-ish food. There's a difference! I happen to like the place and have no issue with the price/value/quality equation, but I do think that most people who don't care for it are expecting actual Mexican food when they go there. It's not, for better or worse.

Thank you for this. It makes the discussion of Casa make more sense. We have restaurants like that here, too, and while some people love them, others hate them.
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Alan Swank
11/4/2017 8:35 PM
L.C. wrote:expand_more
Your mistake is considering Casa to be Mexican food. It's vaguely Mexican inspired locally sourced hippy-ish food. There's a difference! I happen to like the place and have no issue with the price/value/quality equation, but I do think that most people who don't care for it are expecting actual Mexican food when they go there. It's not, for better or worse.

Thank you for this. It makes the discussion of Casa make more sense. We have restaurants like that here, too, and while some people love them, others hate them.
Another reason some folks give less than favorable ratings to Casa is because they don't have TVs. My take on that is "thank goodness." The place ain't Applebees.
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Ohio69
11/4/2017 11:58 PM
We shouldn’t compare Casa to traditional Mexican restaurants in America. It’s a singular place. It consistently serves really interesting and really good food. Most folks I know who are into food really dig the Casa experience.

Anyway, aren’t we supposed to be slammin those no tipping collar popping khaki wearing is that a pledge pin on your uniform bud drinking squares from Oxford in this string?
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bobcat695
11/5/2017 1:31 AM
I've never had a good experience at Casa. Poor service, overpriced food and mediocre tasting food at best. Way, way overrated. I still don't understand how it gained a cult following.

I would be shocked if there isn't more to this Papa John's delivery story. I cannot imagine a college football team stiffing someone on a tip if it wasn't already negotiated. Tonight is the first I have thought about what would be the appropriate tip for 100 pizzas. Regardless of the total $50-$75 seems more than fair for a delivery to one location right down the street.
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Diamond Cat
11/5/2017 8:23 AM
bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
I've never had a good experience at Casa. Poor service, overpriced food and mediocre tasting food at best. Way, way overrated. I still don't understand how it gained a cult following.
Put me down for this.....
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Alan Swank
11/5/2017 8:36 AM
Can one of you who is claiming poor service, define what good service is and how your experience at Casa falls/fell short of that?
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OU_Country
11/5/2017 9:44 AM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
Casa does have a good bar! Being a City Slicker, the drinks are amazingly cheap!!
Is it fair to say this applies at the majority of Athens drinking establishments?
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Recovering Journalist
11/5/2017 9:44 AM
Even as a fan of Casa, I can admit their service is... different. Once you know what to expect and accept it for what it is, it's not a big deal. That said, I've walked up, seen half the tables empty, and been told there's a 45 minute wait. Service, once seated, seems quite good/normal, but they can take their time to get to you. It's just how it is, and for people accustomed to most places, it can be annoying. Once seated/acknowledged at the bar, I find service to be between standard and above standard. Pro tip for people who hate to wait: Order food at the Cantina side for almost no wait.
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Sam bobcat
11/5/2017 9:59 AM
Pete Chouteau wrote:expand_more
I always get very tired after drinking at Casa.
LOL, I get it...
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Sam bobcat
11/5/2017 10:03 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Can one of you who is claiming poor service, define what good service is and how your experience at Casa falls/fell short of that?
You also seemed offended when I claimed bad service at Jackie O's. Are you a retired waiter or something? Just curious...
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LynxRufus6
11/5/2017 11:16 AM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
I worked for 13 years in East Los Angeles. Casa is not Mexican. Trust me. It is not even close to food that you would find in Mexico, let alone El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, or any other Central American country. You might as well call Taco Bell Mexican food. There is also a big difference between "Mexican" food that is served in Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. For God's Sake, New Mexico puts green chili in virtually everything, except if you ask specifically for just red. (For those who like both, "Christmas" is the word.) Casa is merely a well-intended "hippie-poser" hang out that knows about as much about Mexican food as a majority of those living in Russia. Also, please do not confuse Mexican food with the wonderful cuisine of Brazil, Cuba, and Argentina.

As for Miami not tipping: "Surprised?!?!" Just one more good reason to hate Miami. No wonder they lost, Pizza isn't exactly the most healthy food for athletes.
Ayyyy another westerner! I didn’t think I would ever cross one on this board. Yes, when I eat “Mexican” here, the closest thing is Gran Ran, even that is still not anything close to what we have had in the West. My favorite all-time restaurant was in Arizona. My friend Jorge took me out to a little shop in Phoenix that was a convenience store in the front and in the back had 3 tables and a couple cooks who didn’t speak a word of English. Those were the best fajitas I’ve ever eaten.

I work as a bartender on East st (idk if I should say where) but getting tipped is literally how you survive. We make 4.10ish an hour and every bit of that goes to the state and the fed. I never realized how important tipping is until I stepped into that situation. A lot of students who work at Casa end up leaving because the “ownership” pay isn’t anywhere near what most think it is. I worked with a couple people who worked at Casa previously and were not fans. The idea is neat and the food is decent, but it’s far from Mexican. It’s essentially hipster vegetarian meals that are locally sourced.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
11/5/2017 11:25 AM
I like when people accuse a place of not being authentic Mexican food and then talk about fajitas...
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L.C.
11/5/2017 11:30 AM
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Even as a fan of Casa, I can admit their service is... different. Once you know what to expect and accept it for what it is, it's not a big deal. .. [/QUOTE]
Again, a very informative post. I recall a restaurant locally known as Phil's Cafe. It had a cult following. The service was slow but friendly, and the food was great. If you knew what to expect, it was wonderful. You expected to wait for a table, you expected it to take awhile to get food, so you planned on socializing, and everything was good.

One day the owners sold out, and the service changed overnight. You were seated immediately, your order was taken soon after, and your food was there quick as a flash. It wasn't as good, though, and the hyper fast service wasn't the leisurely experience the regulars were used to. They closed a few months later.

[QUOTE=Brian Smith] I like when people accuse a place of not being authentic Mexican food and then talk about fajitas...

Well, there is Mexican, and Tex-Mex, but it doesn't sound like Casa is either of those. I remember the first fajitas I had and Ninfa's, a restaurant chain out of Houston. They were wonderful, and I've loved them ever since.
Last Edited: 11/5/2017 11:34:35 AM by L.C.
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Alan Swank
11/5/2017 12:13 PM
Sam bobcat wrote:expand_more
Can one of you who is claiming poor service, define what good service is and how your experience at Casa falls/fell short of that?
You also seemed offended when I claimed bad service at Jackie O's. Are you a retired waiter or something? Just curious...
Not a retired waiter but I have conducted restaurant customer service training and my son is a CIA grad and executive chef of a restaurant on the Hudson River north of NYC. A couple of folks have nailed it and this is what I teach - the restaurant experience begins when you decide where to go because with that decision comes certain expectations. The open table thing at Casa used to drive me nuts but now that I understand why that is the case some of the time, I no longer bat an eye. Yes they have vegetarian entrees, but they sell a ton of beef, pork and chicken too so I would hardly call it a vegetarian restaurant. Unfortunately America has become used to the 55 minute in and out rule with TVs everywhere with interchangeable menus in every restaurant. Personally, I still enjoy the social aspect of a unique dining experience so Casa is just fine.
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Maddog13
11/5/2017 12:36 PM
"Ayyyy another westerner! I didn’t think I would ever cross one on this board. Yes, when I eat “Mexican” here, the closest thing is Gran Ran, even that is still not anything close to what we have had in the West. My favorite all-time restaurant was in Arizona. My friend Jorge took me out to a little shop in Phoenix that was a convenience store in the front and in the back had 3 tables and a couple cooks who didn’t speak a word of English. Those were the best fajitas I’ve ever eaten."

After thirty-three years of soaking up the Sun of Los Angeles, I decided to pick up and move to New Mexico for a change. One of the places that I miss the most is "El Pescador" in Fillmore, CA, which is right off of the 126 freeway between Magic Mountain and Ventura, CA. The place is packed full of biker gangs, migrant workers, and film industry types. No worries though, everyone there is too busy chowing down on some of the best Ceviche known to man and womankind to risk getting banned from the restaurant, let alone getting into trouble. Being relatively close to Ventura Harbor, the place gets some amazingly fresh and tasty seafood. It is basically food Heaven. I used to stop there all of the time on my way up to and back from my other Alma mater in Santa Barbara.
Last Edited: 11/5/2017 12:37:50 PM by Maddog13
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LynxRufus6
11/5/2017 7:17 PM
Brian Smith wrote:expand_more
I like when people accuse a place of not being authentic Mexican food and then talk about fajitas...
The menu name was Arrachera’s but they were essentially fajitas 🙄. So, yes, it was extremely authentic. Casa is a neat little joint in a very rural area, and people around here love the place. I get that. But it’s overpriced and in my opinion I can get far better food elsewhere around town. The seven layer dip is pretty decent, but the house margs are the best “bang for your buck” item on the menu considering they’re pure tequila with a splash of marg mix
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Alan Swank
11/5/2017 9:36 PM
LynxRufus6 wrote:expand_more
I like when people accuse a place of not being authentic Mexican food and then talk about fajitas...
The menu name was Arrachera’s but they were essentially fajitas 🙄. So, yes, it was extremely authentic. Casa is a neat little joint in a very rural area, and people around here love the place. I get that. But it’s overpriced and in my opinion I can get far better food elsewhere around town. The seven layer dip is pretty decent, but the house margs are the best “bang for your buck” item on the menu considering they’re pure tequila with a splash of marg mix
Where can you get far better food?
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RSBobcat
11/6/2017 1:11 AM
OK - Time to chime in.

RSBobcat/myself is an original founder of Casa Nueva. One of a group of 9, of which about 4 were the key founder's who organizationally and operationally made it happen.

By 1984 the original Casa Que Pasa had become a decrepid dump. Thoroughly run down by the owner, who had left town due back taxes and inability to pay rent, for food deliveries, etc you name it.

A few of us who worked there were approached by ACENET to see if we would like to start a worker owned business. We said yes - and the journey began. And it was quite the journey. We incorporated as WORC (Worker Owned Restaurant Corporation). We constructed a corporate by-laws and governance structure based on Consensus (anyone could "block" any decision, all by laws had to be by consensus). The key there - is learning how to build consensus - a great, but often frustrating experience for all worker owners. You become a worker owner by paying (almost always over time as a payroll deduction) a membership fee. Profits, after any single FY budget year expenses, including re-investments budgeted, are split by the number of hours worked by worker owners. No one can leave the business and take any future profits or assets benefits with them.

We had to finance the project. Solicited loans and donations from the community. Most of the community loans were in the $500 to $1,000 range from what we came to call "Worker Eaters" - the loans were paid by by food credit instead of cash. We also secured a loan from Bank One Athens branch - The branch president at the time (last name Anastis?) was a very active Athens local economic supporter. We also had to figure out a way to secure/keep the lease. We negotiated a legal arrangement with L'Heureux properties - Mike and his partner Greg Cline. We had a good relationship with them as a few of us had been managing the business finances for quite some time after the prior owner had bolted town and the rent was the first priority to take care of every month while we worked on the new business start up. HUGE Kudo's to Mike for his faith in us during that time!

The old business had to be shut down, and was. Then for a period of about 6 months we had to get the new (Nueva) place (Casa) ready to open. That was a VERY lean time for several of us. My favorite memory of that summer of 1985 - We had to get an old Garland stove out of the building to bring in a new one. The old one was great but worn out - and was of older materials - meaning Heavy Steel and Iron. Anyone who remembers "Stryder" will appreciate this - Stryder on one end - about 4 of us on the other - and we were all struggling more than he was..

Then we opened as Casa Nueva on October 15, 1985. Business was good right from the get go. A lot of good opening press - The A News (Mitchell and Phillips were Big supporters), and ACENET (where I was the President of the Board for a couple of years) succeeded in getting Dagmar Celeste and Ted Strickland to attend our grand opening.

As the business grew, as we dug out of debt, as we continued to make improvements to the facility (there were a BUNCH needed), all on a shoe string budget - we became a viable ongoing business and continued to invest in further improvements and growth.

The real game changer was securing a liquor licence. The last project that I was involved in as Operational Manager before I decided to leave for greener pastures opportunity I saw in the wine business which had become an interest and passion of mine. There were licenses for sale in Athens at the time - at about $25K. That was too big a $ pill for the group to swallow - though I thought is was critical to the future viability and growth potential of the business. I convinced them (by process of building consensus) to invest $1.5K to submit an application for a liquor license to the state - which put us on a waiting list - but with no idea how long it might be before an new issue opening might come up for review and approval (it could be couple months - could be years). Low and behold we came up for approval in just a couple months! Soon after that we were selling alc bevs, the future was looking bright, and the next generation of worker owners soon secured the lease to the ex Mac's Thrifty store next door and the Cantina and Bodega was on the way.

33 years later - The longest continuously operating worker owned restaurant in the country (Moosewood, in Ithca NY, is also still around, a "collective" since 1973 - But I am not sure about their actual business incorporation structure and by laws).

Some FAQ's

Mexican? Sorta. Ever evolving, less "Mexican/SW/Tex Mex" than when opened. Opened with inherited menu with a couple twists. The ground chile's were from New Mexico - the base for the sauces (from Corky & Ed's original Que Pasa sources and recipes).

Quesadilla? Basically means "cheese sandwich". The recipe we made was from the original Que Pasa recipe - from a version made in Colorado that was fresh dough wrapped then deep fried and then therefore puffy - not a flat grilled folded over tortilla.

Worker Owner? Must be a member who pays a membership fee. Not all working at Casa are worker owners. There are also "employee's, AKA "outside labor". They have all of the same pay and most all other benefits as worker owners, but they have no profit sharing. Employees often go on to decide to join and become a worker owner.

Slow Service? From my experience about the same as any other dining establishment in Athens that serves eclectic cuisine - which is how many? Yeah - slow. But it's Athens....where you go - or many stay - to slow down life. Can be a bit frustrating though - just have another Margarita, IPA, or glass of wine (all very reasonably priced, and pretty good selections I would add).

No Tipping? Originally were split by total employees divided by hours worked bi-weekly. Then the state and IRS forced a change. For food service in a dining establishment, tipping really is an outdated and somewhat ridiculous western capitalist tradition that many countries have decided to move on from. Pay employees what they are worth, the value they contribute to your business - don't leave it up to willy/nilly customers to pay/subsidize your employees. What would you think about a tip jar on the way out of any NFL, NBA, MLB, etc stadium? Or think of any other example. How about the boss instead of giving you a raise decides to just put a Tip jar outside your office?

Locavore? If you don't get this - then you better not have a "Buy American" bumper sticker - or same such philosophy. The overall food quality and diversity at Casa has improved tremendously over the years in my opinion. It may not be your cup of tea - so be it - go elsewhere. Or just have some nacho's, other nibbles, and a beverage. I doubt you'll find a better Huevos Rancheros in town....or that Casa Omellette (must ask for extra guac).

Hippies? Same as in 1970. Largely a myth - then as now. Hard to find a real one anywhere - especially in a business establishment doing a "job".
Last Edited: 11/6/2017 1:27:25 AM by RSBobcat
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Bobcatzblitz
11/6/2017 2:35 AM
Now thats Athens history! Thanks ! Stryders kids actually work at The Union bar
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Sam bobcat
11/6/2017 7:48 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Hippies? Same as in 1970. Largely a myth - then as now. Hard to find a real one anywhere - especially in a business establishment doing a "job".
Lol...good point.
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100%Cat
11/6/2017 8:34 AM
I thought the point of this thread was to mock Miami for being...well...Miami. I think we veered off course slightly.
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Recovering Journalist
11/6/2017 8:59 AM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
I thought the point of this thread was to mock Miami for being...well...Miami. I think we veered off course slightly.
This is the kind of thread creep that many of us love. We all know Miami sucks, but few of us know that rich history that RS shared.
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Alan Swank
11/6/2017 11:04 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
For food service in a dining establishment, tipping really is an outdated and somewhat ridiculous western capitalist tradition that many countries have decided to move on from. Pay employees what they are worth, the value they contribute to your business - don't leave it up to willy/nilly customers to pay/subsidize your employees. What would you think about a tip jar on the way out of any NFL, NBA, MLB, etc stadium? Or think of any other example. How about the boss instead of giving you a raise decides to just put a Tip jar outside your office?
Love this! Pay people what they are worth.
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J.B.Hoy
11/6/2017 11:24 AM
This is great stuff. As a long-time former Athenian, Casa was a staple weekend family dining trip. Our daughters first solid food was a pile of Casa black beans. Many a Marietta Brewing Company IPA's helped with the wait time.

I think that Casa would do quite well in the food-crazy Portland restaurant scene. Oxford would hate it because they suck there.
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