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OU_Country
12/28/2017 10:30 AM
LynxRufus6 wrote:expand_more
It was a good movie

It wasn’t a good STAR WARS movie
Care to elaborate how it's a good movie, but not a good Star Wars movie?
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OU_Country
12/28/2017 10:42 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Unlike Rogue One where everyone got nuked.
Which is kinda funny because a lot of Star Wars fans hated Rogue One. I thought it was fantastic. It's in my top 3 for Star Wars movies.
[/QUOTE]Rogue One, for me, is the best Star Wars related film I've seen so far.


[QUOTE=Ohio69] I never thought of Star Wars movies as sophisticated type movies. So this one seemed fun to me. I’ll give it 3.5.

They could have a problem as Finn and Poe Dameron seem like boring/dull milk-toast good guys to me. Then again, so is Luke Skywalker.

Looking forward to Han Solo movie. Hopefully that as a bit more edge to it.
I'm in agreement - and I own all of them, and read many of the books. Related to all the criticism of the Last Jedi or Force Awakens films, there are plot holes and issues in every single Star Wars film if you want to complain about them. All of them. I re-watched parts of Episodes I-III a couple weeks ago, and enjoyed them more than I did a couple years ago. Like Ohio69 said - they're fun.

Also, if you want more "back story" and understanding of some characters, read the books. There's a lot there in the books.
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TWT
12/28/2017 11:18 PM
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I couldn't get past the cheesy pun lines similar to the Marvel Universe where if Tony Stark had half of those roles it wouldn't have skipped a beat. I also couldn't get past the Leia scene.....that to me was the jumping the shark part of the Star Wars saga. Nonetheless, my other issues stemmed from the storyline and its non-sense of why bother to go find a code breaker when in reality you didn't need it, along with the scene essentially showing war-profiteers being bad on a casino island, which by the way seemed ripped off from Skyfall.
There is more mysticism in this movie so the Leia scene is in that mold. Galaxy of the Guardians has a similar space survival scene. Its clear from this one the new trilogy is playing out the Jedi Academy trilogy from the early 90's as a foundation to the story. The first movie had a few references to the Jedi Academy and Rey finds Luke there. Casino was another attempt to work something new into the movie but the Atlantic City boardwalk been considered for the original trilogy? I think not on that one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_Academy_trilogy
Last Edited: 12/28/2017 11:20:05 PM by TWT
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Buckeye to Bobcat
12/29/2017 9:00 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
I couldn't get past the cheesy pun lines similar to the Marvel Universe where if Tony Stark had half of those roles it wouldn't have skipped a beat. I also couldn't get past the Leia scene.....that to me was the jumping the shark part of the Star Wars saga. Nonetheless, my other issues stemmed from the storyline and its non-sense of why bother to go find a code breaker when in reality you didn't need it, along with the scene essentially showing war-profiteers being bad on a casino island, which by the way seemed ripped off from Skyfall.
There is more mysticism in this movie so the Leia scene is in that mold. Galaxy of the Guardians has a similar space survival scene. Its clear from this one the new trilogy is playing out the Jedi Academy trilogy from the early 90's as a foundation to the story. The first movie had a few references to the Jedi Academy and Rey finds Luke there. Casino was another attempt to work something new into the movie but the Atlantic City boardwalk been considered for the original trilogy? I think not on that one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_Academy_trilogy
That right there with Guardians of the Galaxy is why this one sucks and why I said Tony Stark in this movie would have been no different.

Disney literally applied the Marvel concepts to it and is why I sit there and go the concepts have to be kept separate. Thank you for proving my point of this being a "glorified version" of a Marvel Film.....
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C Money
12/29/2017 10:00 AM
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I couldn't get past the cheesy pun lines similar to the Marvel Universe where if Tony Stark had half of those roles it wouldn't have skipped a beat. I also couldn't get past the Leia scene.....that to me was the jumping the shark part of the Star Wars saga. Nonetheless, my other issues stemmed from the storyline and its non-sense of why bother to go find a code breaker when in reality you didn't need it, along with the scene essentially showing war-profiteers being bad on a casino island, which by the way seemed ripped off from Skyfall.
There is more mysticism in this movie so the Leia scene is in that mold. Galaxy of the Guardians has a similar space survival scene. Its clear from this one the new trilogy is playing out the Jedi Academy trilogy from the early 90's as a foundation to the story. The first movie had a few references to the Jedi Academy and Rey finds Luke there. Casino was another attempt to work something new into the movie but the Atlantic City boardwalk been considered for the original trilogy? I think not on that one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_Academy_trilogy
That right there with Guardians of the Galaxy is why this one sucks and why I said Tony Stark in this movie would have been no different.

Disney literally applied the Marvel concepts to it and is why I sit there and go the concepts have to be kept separate. Thank you for proving my point of this being a "glorified version" of a Marvel Film.....
I keep hoping we've hit peak comic book movie. Batman (1989) was in my top 3 favorite movies as a kid. The first X-Men film was fun, because YES X-MEN FINALLY ON THE BIG SCREEN, and ditto the first two Sam Raimi Spiderman films. Since then, outside of the Nolan Dark Knight series, I haven't been super excited about anything Marvel or DC for that very reason--it's all too cookie cutter. Like I said about JJ Abrams--I get why I'm supposed to like it, but I don't.

If that's what they're doing to Star Wars, then just ugh. First Lucas screws up Han shooting first. Then Lucas screws up Vader in the prequels. (98% of the sins of the prequels are fixed if Anakin/Vader is played more as a bad ass bully than an irritating snot-nosed whiny pubescent twerp. I'd be OK if Disney rebooted them and fixed that, but they won't.)

And if the Disney/Fox merger goes through, it's only going to get worse.
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GoCats105
12/29/2017 10:54 AM
C Money wrote:expand_more
I couldn't get past the cheesy pun lines similar to the Marvel Universe where if Tony Stark had half of those roles it wouldn't have skipped a beat. I also couldn't get past the Leia scene.....that to me was the jumping the shark part of the Star Wars saga. Nonetheless, my other issues stemmed from the storyline and its non-sense of why bother to go find a code breaker when in reality you didn't need it, along with the scene essentially showing war-profiteers being bad on a casino island, which by the way seemed ripped off from Skyfall.
There is more mysticism in this movie so the Leia scene is in that mold. Galaxy of the Guardians has a similar space survival scene. Its clear from this one the new trilogy is playing out the Jedi Academy trilogy from the early 90's as a foundation to the story. The first movie had a few references to the Jedi Academy and Rey finds Luke there. Casino was another attempt to work something new into the movie but the Atlantic City boardwalk been considered for the original trilogy? I think not on that one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_Academy_trilogy
That right there with Guardians of the Galaxy is why this one sucks and why I said Tony Stark in this movie would have been no different.

Disney literally applied the Marvel concepts to it and is why I sit there and go the concepts have to be kept separate. Thank you for proving my point of this being a "glorified version" of a Marvel Film.....
I keep hoping we've hit peak comic book movie. Batman (1989) was in my top 3 favorite movies as a kid. The first X-Men film was fun, because YES X-MEN FINALLY ON THE BIG SCREEN, and ditto the first two Sam Raimi Spiderman films. Since then, outside of the Nolan Dark Knight series, I haven't been super excited about anything Marvel or DC for that very reason--it's all too cookie cutter. Like I said about JJ Abrams--I get why I'm supposed to like it, but I don't.

If that's what they're doing to Star Wars, then just ugh. First Lucas screws up Han shooting first. Then Lucas screws up Vader in the prequels. (98% of the sins of the prequels are fixed if Anakin/Vader is played more as a bad ass bully than an irritating snot-nosed whiny pubescent twerp. I'd be OK if Disney rebooted them and fixed that, but they won't.)

And if the Disney/Fox merger goes through, it's only going to get worse.
Yeah the comic book thing is getting to be way too much. I will say I did enjoy the storyline for The Punisher series on Netflix, though. But have you seen the trailer for Avengers Infinity War? My God does that look awful. There are at least 20 main characters in the damn thing.

And other than the Dark Knight series, you have to tip your cap to Logan. That was a great movie.
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OhioStunter
12/29/2017 11:19 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I'm in agreement - and I own all of them, and read many of the books. Related to all the criticism of the Last Jedi or Force Awakens films, there are plot holes and issues in every single Star Wars film if you want to complain about them. All of them. I re-watched parts of Episodes I-III a couple weeks ago, and enjoyed them more than I did a couple years ago. Like Ohio69 said - they're fun.

Also, if you want more "back story" and understanding of some characters, read the books. There's a lot there in the books.
^^^This. As I mentioned earlier, now more than ever, everyone is a critic -- of everything. I also watched some of the earlier movies and if Twitter were around after some of these movies, I don't think we'd have trilogies. There are flaws in all of them, but love them for what they are -- good sci-fi movies that appeal to generations of fans.

Every argument I've heard against TLJ could be applied to any of the other Star Wars movies (did we have a back story on the Emperor?). I don't necessarily disagree with them, but it is what it is. And I'm calling it now that Episode IX will disappoint many people. But so will the finales of Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, etc. You just can't please everyone today.
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