I know that is your opinion that Ohio would return to a sub .500 football team once Frank leaves but you neglect how much the program dynamics have changed since the 80's and 90's. Back in those days there wasn't the scholarship and academic limitations so Nebraska would stack players so other conference mates couldn't have them and so on down the line. Anything that happened in the MAC before 1997 when it moved to 12 teams is ancient history of events that occurred in a different era. Another huge factor is the 12 game schedule with 6 home games. Ohio can bake a few wins into the non-conference total to help pad on a down year like they did in 2014. Any winning season is now a bowl game which bakes in publicity. Grobe's tenure at Ohio twenty years later is now forgotten without a few bowl games as milestone. It wasn't his fault it was the rules of the day but it diminutizes the job he did at Ohio. Then of course the facilities, weight programs and technology have changed since the dark days of Ohio football. Its been 10 years since Ohio has won less than 6 games. Its been 15 years since Ohio has been really bad winning less than 4 games. This is a different era.

I think your most significant point is the importance of Grobes job at Ohio. He proved that you can win here, his tenure was a turning point in many ways.

I do think that Ohio is not alone in improving facilities. Our biggest negative is Peden which is falling apart and has to be the worst FCS stadium, although there may be a hellhole some where that I’m not familiar with.

I think we need to rename South Green drive appropriately, Frank Solich Way, it goes past the Academic Center and IPF that would not be possible without Frank.

What you are saying is to completely ignore the fact that those records were produced in different eras under different rules and different competitive dynamics. Its like we should expect the UK to make another run at regaining the 13 colonies sometime within the next century because they did so 200 years ago. The current G5 competitive dynamic was put into place starting in 2014 where its the AAC, MAC, MWC, CUSA, SBC chasing a CFP bowl. In this new era Ohio has averaged 7.75 wins. Frank if he goes on to win 11 games each of the next season and retires that sets the mean at about 9 wins. Then we could expect the next coach to win 9 games in Athens as a revision to the mean. The bottom in the G5 era is 6-6 (2014). In the previous era of the Top 12/16 BCS bowl access rule going back to 2006 the bottom was 4-8 (2008). That era was also comparable enough since the 12 game schedule was in place and Ohio began to play an annual FCS program. The mean going back to 2006 for Ohio is 7.83 wins. Knorr ball was played in a different era of a 2 bowl MAC on 11 game schedules. Go back to the early Grobe years and the MAC only had 10 teams. Go back to the early 90's and the MAC played at a different scholarship limit then other conferences. [/QUOTE]
It sounds like what you are saying is that since things are always changing, you can't learn anything from history. I respectfully disagree. Things do change, but not everything, and therefore, history remains relevant.

[QUOTE=Uncle Wes]...Then we could expect the next coach to win 9 games in Athens as a revision to the mean...

It sounds like what you are saying is that since things are always changing, you can't learn anything from history. I respectfully disagree. Things do change, but not everything, and therefore, history remains relevant.

In 1989 the only football facility Ohio had was a basic locker room and the MAC played at a lower scholarship limit. Grobe was the first coach at Ohio to play his entire tenure under the universal rule of 85 scholarships. The period between 1989 and 2005 was transitional for Ohio between competing in what amounted to FCS ball to the G5 ball we play today. As to Peden what would make sense is to draft up a plan for a 50,000 seat stadium and try to pitch it to a P5 conference that if invited we will build out.