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cc-cat
8/2/2018 10:43 AM
Instructor of Clinical Practice in the School of Nursing
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rpbobcat
8/2/2018 10:44 AM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
The 'wife falling on the sword' method didn't work out too well for Bryan Colangelo.

Possible cover-up of illegal activities didn't work out too well for Joe Paterno.
I don't think you can compare either of your examples to this.

As I posted,unless there is a "paper trail",how do you prove Mrs.Meyer told Urban,or disprove if she says she didn't ?
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OhioStunter
8/2/2018 10:51 AM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
The 'wife falling on the sword' method didn't work out too well for Bryan Colangelo.

Possible cover-up of illegal activities didn't work out too well for Joe Paterno.
What were the "illegal activities"? Law enforcement investigated. And determined a crime had not taken place. That's not Urban's fault. That's not his wife's fault.
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8/2/2018 10:51 AM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
Instructor of Clinical Practice in the School of Nursing
Thanks
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8/2/2018 11:01 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
The 'wife falling on the sword' method didn't work out too well for Bryan Colangelo.

Possible cover-up of illegal activities didn't work out too well for Joe Paterno.
What were the "illegal activities"? Law enforcement investigated. And determined a crime had not taken place. That's not Urban's fault. That's not his wife's fault.
Playing dumb when asked by his boss is what will cost Meyer his job. But don't be sad for Urban. After he has a year to, "pray and now have a better understanding of what God would have wanted him to do," he and wife will form some sort of spousal abuse non-profit to help improve his image. And then NFL jobs in Miami, LA, and Cincy will be available to him prior to the 2019 season.

Book it.
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OhioStunter
8/2/2018 11:07 AM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
The 'wife falling on the sword' method didn't work out too well for Bryan Colangelo.

Possible cover-up of illegal activities didn't work out too well for Joe Paterno.
What were the "illegal activities"? Law enforcement investigated. And determined a crime had not taken place. That's not Urban's fault. That's not his wife's fault.
Playing dumb when asked by his boss is what will cost Meyer his job. But don't be sad for Urban. After he has a year to, "pray and now have a better understanding of what God would have wanted him to do," he and wife will form some sort of spousal abuse non-profit to help improve his image. And then NFL jobs in Miami, LA, and Cincy will be available to him prior to the 2019 season.

Book it.
I'm not sad for Urban. I don't like Urban. But I do have concerns over how the public and media can be so judgmental toward Urban for this. He's not being vilified because he may have lied to his employer. He's being vilified because he apparently "didn't report" this and tried to "cover it up". If the worst crime here is lying to an employer, well, any one of us who ever took "sick days" to watch an NCAA tourney game should be on the hot seat as well.
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8/2/2018 11:16 AM
Equating lying to your employer about spousal abuse vs lying about calling in sick is absurd and insulting to those abused - in any situation. One devastates a life (and marriage, can lead to lawsuits, damages, and horrific PR for the institution/company - and its not the "sick" call.

Meyer knew about 2009. It will come out he'd know about 2015 and when asked denied it. We have all seen this played clout with politicians, celebrities, high profile coaches/business people. They deny the obvious and it then crumbles.
Last Edited: 8/2/2018 11:17:47 AM by cc-cat
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colobobcat66
8/2/2018 11:17 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
The 'wife falling on the sword' method didn't work out too well for Bryan Colangelo.

Possible cover-up of illegal activities didn't work out too well for Joe Paterno.
What were the "illegal activities"? Law enforcement investigated. And determined a crime had not taken place. That's not Urban's fault. That's not his wife's fault.
Playing dumb when asked by his boss is what will cost Meyer his job. But don't be sad for Urban. After he has a year to, "pray and now have a better understanding of what God would have wanted him to do," he and wife will form some sort of spousal abuse non-profit to help improve his image. And then NFL jobs in Miami, LA, and Cincy will be available to him prior to the 2019 season.

Book it.
I'm not sad for Urban. I don't like Urban. But I do have concerns over how the public and media can be so judgmental toward Urban for this. He's not being vilified because he may have lied to his employer. He's being vilified because he apparently "didn't report" this and tried to "cover it up". If the worst crime here is lying to an employer, well, any one of us who ever took "sick days" to watch an NCAA tourney game should be on the hot seat as well.
In this day and age, if you get any whiff of possible spousal abuse, you report it, in writing, to appropriate people above you, and wait for clearance. If you don’t, you’re stupid.
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GoCats105
8/2/2018 11:17 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
The 'wife falling on the sword' method didn't work out too well for Bryan Colangelo.

Possible cover-up of illegal activities didn't work out too well for Joe Paterno.
What were the "illegal activities"? Law enforcement investigated. And determined a crime had not taken place. That's not Urban's fault. That's not his wife's fault.
Playing dumb when asked by his boss is what will cost Meyer his job. But don't be sad for Urban. After he has a year to, "pray and now have a better understanding of what God would have wanted him to do," he and wife will form some sort of spousal abuse non-profit to help improve his image. And then NFL jobs in Miami, LA, and Cincy will be available to him prior to the 2019 season.

Book it.
I'm not sad for Urban. I don't like Urban. But I do have concerns over how the public and media can be so judgmental toward Urban for this. He's not being vilified because he may have lied to his employer. He's being vilified because he apparently "didn't report" this and tried to "cover it up". If the worst crime here is lying to an employer, well, any one of us who ever took "sick days" to watch an NCAA tourney game should be on the hot seat as well.
This is where I'm at. How did the narrative change from "Zach Smith fired because he's a terrible human being for abusing his wife" to "Urban Meyer should be fired for something he had absolutely no control over, but saved face in front of the media."

I don't condone Meyer for lying, but being fired for that is a completely different ball game. He wasn't the one beating his wife.
Last Edited: 8/2/2018 11:18:41 AM by GoCats105
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OhioStunter
8/2/2018 11:21 AM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
Equating lying to your employer about spousal abuse vs lying about calling in sick is absurd and insulting to those abused - in any situation. One devastates a life (and marriage, can lead to lawsuits, damages, and horrific PR for the institution/company - and its not the "sick" call.

Meyer knew about 2009. It will come out he'd know about 2015 and when asked denied it. We have all seen this played clout with politicians, celebrities, high profile coaches/business people. They deny the obvious and it then crumbles.
What responsibility does your employer have for allegations of spousal abuse that happen at home, was investigated (and dismissed) by police?
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
8/2/2018 11:24 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
And all of this on top of Jim Jordan and the wrestlling program fiasco and doctor at tosu.
If you can find it,you should check out the unedited video put out by one of the former wrestler's (De Sabato) company (Combat Athlete Coalition) in June.

De Sabto is the wrestler suing OSU.

The video shows both he and the other prominent accuser (Yetts) saying that they
never knew themselves,told or reported to Jordan any "alleged sexual abuse".

De Sabto also says that,while his private parts may have been fondled,there were no sexual activities.

CNN and NBC have played edited versions of the video that removed these and other embarrassing items.

Not surprisingly,the unedited version is not easy to find.

If you're really interested in reading both sides of this story,go to http://www.themat.com and check out their college wrestling forums.
So your point is that there's a video available that exonerates Jim Jordan it's just that nobody can find it? And the evidence for this is an unsourced conversation on a wrestling message board?

If CNN and NBC edited out exonerating evidence that would be the biggest news scandal in decades. It would also be super easy to prove given that, you know, the internet is forever.

Where's the evidence that this is the case? Without evidence, you're just pointing to a conspiracy theory on a wrestling message board.

Edit: To be super clear, I have no idea what happened here. But the knee jerk reaction to insist that this is a grand conspiracy against Jim Jordan for purely political purposes seems misguided to me. If there's anything we should have learned about the Penn State and Michigan State scandals, it's that people in power did not take actions that they should have and their inaction allowed abusers to flourish. I wouldn't bet against the Ohio State wrestling staff failing to act, as well.
Last Edited: 8/2/2018 11:43:14 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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colobobcat66
8/2/2018 11:25 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
The 'wife falling on the sword' method didn't work out too well for Bryan Colangelo.

Possible cover-up of illegal activities didn't work out too well for Joe Paterno.
What were the "illegal activities"? Law enforcement investigated. And determined a crime had not taken place. That's not Urban's fault. That's not his wife's fault.
If there are something like 9 reports of spousal abuse, arrests or not, and there is anything at all true about them, why would you not just say-I don’t want any part of this and remove the offender? Just because a crime is not pursued in a court of law, doesn’t mean a crime has not taken place, I think most of us realize that.
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8/2/2018 11:26 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
This is where I'm at. How did the narrative change from "Zach Smith fired because he's a terrible human being for abusing his wife" to "Urban Meyer should be fired for something he had absolutely no control over, but saved face in front of the media."

I don't condone Meyer for lying, but being fired for that is a completely different ball game. He wasn't the one beating his wife.
But if he was aware of the abuse allegations and did not tell OSU administration and then lied to OSU administration about NOT knowing when asked directly - he should and will be gone.

I would hope everyone agrees with that scenario. We will see how it plays out. But as I said above, most often the obvious ends up being the reality. After knowing about the 2009 accusation and bringing Smith to OSU as part of his $40 million contract, there is simply no way, Meyer's wife did not (as she promised in an email) did not tell her husband, We shall see. If he lied - he is gone and should be...has to be.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
8/2/2018 11:26 AM
cbus cat fan wrote:expand_more
Alan I will make you a deal, if you leave Jim Jordan out of the wrestling scandal at Ohio State, I won't bring up Fusion GPS.
Bringing up Fusion GPS doesn't argue what you think it does.

By the way man, our conversation about the Mueller investigation got deleted months back. A lot's changed since then.

We've now advanced to "There was no collusion amongst the top 4 or 5 members of the campaign" and "Collusion isn't a crime."

Pretty exciting times for the witch hunt brigade.
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cc-cat
8/2/2018 11:33 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Equating lying to your employer about spousal abuse vs lying about calling in sick is absurd and insulting to those abused - in any situation. One devastates a life (and marriage, can lead to lawsuits, damages, and horrific PR for the institution/company - and its not the "sick" call.

Meyer knew about 2009. It will come out he'd know about 2015 and when asked denied it. We have all seen this played clout with politicians, celebrities, high profile coaches/business people. They deny the obvious and it then crumbles.
What responsibility does your employer have for allegations of spousal abuse that happen at home, was investigated (and dismissed) by police?
"at home:" is irrelevant. If the guy had a reputation of getting drunk and getting in bar fights and you were aware of the alleged behavior and then brought said employer to a. new place of employment and again heard about the behavior - most people would appreciate the danger of the situation - especially since we are talking about a public institution that has requirements for reporting such allegation.

But again, the undoing is when your employer (the boss of both you and the dud) asks what you know and you deny any knowledge.
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colobobcat66
8/2/2018 11:35 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
The 'wife falling on the sword' method didn't work out too well for Bryan Colangelo.

Possible cover-up of illegal activities didn't work out too well for Joe Paterno.
What were the "illegal activities"? Law enforcement investigated. And determined a crime had not taken place. That's not Urban's fault. That's not his wife's fault.
Playing dumb when asked by his boss is what will cost Meyer his job. But don't be sad for Urban. After he has a year to, "pray and now have a better understanding of what God would have wanted him to do," he and wife will form some sort of spousal abuse non-profit to help improve his image. And then NFL jobs in Miami, LA, and Cincy will be available to him prior to the 2019 season.

Book it.
I'm not sad for Urban. I don't like Urban. But I do have concerns over how the public and media can be so judgmental toward Urban for this. He's not being vilified because he may have lied to his employer. He's being vilified because he apparently "didn't report" this and tried to "cover it up". If the worst crime here is lying to an employer, well, any one of us who ever took "sick days" to watch an NCAA tourney game should be on the hot seat as well.
This is where I'm at. How did the narrative change from "Zach Smith fired because he's a terrible human being for abusing his wife" to "Urban Meyer should be fired for something he had absolutely no control over, but saved face in front of the media."

I don't condone Meyer for lying, but being fired for that is a completely different ball game. He wasn't the one beating his wife.
But one should probably ask if Urban could have done something about the situation that maybe could have changed the results. Like suggest professional counseling or whatever. Just wondering.
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8/2/2018 11:37 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Alan I will make you a deal, if you leave Jim Jordan out of the wrestling scandal at Ohio State, I won't bring up Fusion GPS.
Bringing up Fusion GPS doesn't argue what you think it does.

By the way man, our conversation about the Mueller investigation got deleted months back. A lot's changed since then.

We've now advanced to "There was no collusion amongst the top 4 or 5 members of the campaign" and "Collusion isn't a crime."

Pretty exciting times for the witch hunt brigade.
If the Russian Hackers had access to Mrs. Meyer's text messages, and Trump was colluding with them, is he responsible for the Ohio State Domestic Violence cover-up?
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OhioStunter
8/2/2018 11:43 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
The 'wife falling on the sword' method didn't work out too well for Bryan Colangelo.

Possible cover-up of illegal activities didn't work out too well for Joe Paterno.
What were the "illegal activities"? Law enforcement investigated. And determined a crime had not taken place. That's not Urban's fault. That's not his wife's fault.
If there are something like 9 reports of spousal abuse, arrests or not, and there is anything at all true about them, why would you not just say-I don’t want any part of this and remove the offender? Just because a crime is not pursued in a court of law, doesn’t mean a crime has not taken place, I think most of us realize that.
Isn't that exactly what Urban/OSU did? They removed him.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
8/2/2018 11:46 AM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Alan I will make you a deal, if you leave Jim Jordan out of the wrestling scandal at Ohio State, I won't bring up Fusion GPS.
Bringing up Fusion GPS doesn't argue what you think it does.

By the way man, our conversation about the Mueller investigation got deleted months back. A lot's changed since then.

We've now advanced to "There was no collusion amongst the top 4 or 5 members of the campaign" and "Collusion isn't a crime."

Pretty exciting times for the witch hunt brigade.
If the Russian Hackers had access to Mrs. Meyer's text messages, and Trump was colluding with them, is he responsible for the Ohio State Domestic Violence cover-up?
Nope. But if that were the case, you can rest assured that Trump's supporters would find a way to abandon all logic and insist there was no domestic violence to begin with and this is a grand conspiracy perpetrated by the deep state.

Because once politics gets involved, 90% of people lose their ability to reason.
Last Edited: 8/2/2018 11:47:54 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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8/2/2018 11:47 AM
Surprise, surprise. Is anyone really surprised when a power conference coach is exposed to be a hypocrite, a liar, or a cheater? I am surprised that these schools even bother with a moral's clause in their contracts. It kind of seems that hiring a moral coach would be getting in the way of the desired outcome.

Besides, the real question is not why did Urban fail to tell the truth or waited so long to fire this assistant coach, but what this fired coach actually knows about such things as how Ohio A&M keeps landing big time recruits. Where there is smoke, I suspect that there is a raging fire beneath the surface.

Being a diehard Bobcats fan who is tired of always living in the shadow of Ohio State, I always enjoy seeing our brothers up North become humbled.
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8/2/2018 11:49 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
Isn't that exactly what Urban/OSU did? They removed him.
No - Urban did not.

OSU did when the allegations were made aware to the institution. Urban knew about the allegations in 2009 (and brought Smith with him) and then again (it strongly appears) in 2015. 1000 days ago. And did not act.
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cbus cat fan
8/2/2018 11:51 AM
There are so many twists and turns and underlying currents to this story it is hard to keep up. On one side, you have the fire the coach crowd who believes he should be aware of these types of transgressions and be accountable since he makes 10x more than any other state employee and has highly paid life coaches and Compliance personnel to steer him in the right direction. On the other side of the equation, you have the theory stated by former Ohio State player Zach Boren that two people (Zach Smith and Courtney Smith) have a personal issue that is in the judicial system and will be adjudicated by a judge. Therefore it has nothing to do with anyone beyond them.

Bobcat's Love of Shame, why on earth would you bring up a political angle to this story? There is a spot on this board to discuss that matter and I am sure you and your Left Wing friends have plenty of places to espouse your views on various political sites.
Last Edited: 8/2/2018 11:57:57 AM by cbus cat fan
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colobobcat66
8/2/2018 11:54 AM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
The 'wife falling on the sword' method didn't work out too well for Bryan Colangelo.

Possible cover-up of illegal activities didn't work out too well for Joe Paterno.
What were the "illegal activities"? Law enforcement investigated. And determined a crime had not taken place. That's not Urban's fault. That's not his wife's fault.
If there are something like 9 reports of spousal abuse, arrests or not, and there is anything at all true about them, why would you not just say-I don’t want any part of this and remove the offender? Just because a crime is not pursued in a court of law, doesn’t mean a crime has not taken place, I think most of us realize that.
Isn't that exactly what Urban/OSU did? They removed him.

When it was exposed, yeah. Had no choice then, but he had a choice earlier and didn’t do it.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
8/2/2018 11:55 AM
cbus cat fan wrote:expand_more
There are so many twists and turns and underlying currents to this story it is hard to keep up. On one side, you have the fire the coach crowd who believes he should be aware of these types of transgressions and be accountable since he makes 10x more than any other state employee and has highly paid life coaches and Compliance personnel to steer him in the right direction. On the other side of the equation, you have the theory stated by former Ohio State player Zach Boren that two people have a personal issue that is in the judicial system and will be adjudicated by a judge. Therefore it has nothing to do with anyone beyond them.

Bobcat's Love of Shame, why on earth would you bring up a political angle to this story? There is a spot on this board to discuss that matter and I am sure you and your Left Wing friends have plenty of places to espouse your views on various political sites.
I brought it up? I was replying to people who had already referenced it.

Was it somehow apolitical when you suggested that Jim Jordan shouldn't be referenced in a scandal he was -- at the very least -- present during? And said otherwise you'd bring up Fusion GPS? I mean, I know it was tongue in cheek, but the notion that Jordan is somehow not a part of that story is absurd. It's purely political to insist otherwise.

Edit: But yes, you're right. I should have resisted referencing our previous conversation about the Mueller investigation.
Last Edited: 8/2/2018 12:02:37 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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