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Posted: 9/18/2018 6:50 AM
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CBS reported that three power schools paid over a million each to get beat this week. Akron got $1.2 million for traveling to Northwestern. Troy and North Texas both received over a million in their games at Nebraska and Arkansas. Any chance the Bobcats receive more than $1.2 million in a few years when they go to Northwestern?
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Posted: 9/18/2018 12:00 PM
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Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
CBS reported that three power schools paid over a million each to get beat this week. Akron got $1.2 million for traveling to Northwestern. Troy and North Texas both received over a million in their games at Nebraska and Arkansas. Any chance the Bobcats receive more than $1.2 million in a few years when they go to Northwestern?
I'm a little curious about this stuff myself... our payouts always seem to pale in comparison to what our conference mates are getting for similar games.
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Posted: 9/18/2018 12:42 PM
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A lot of it has to do with how far out the contracts are signed, as the figure goes up. Akron was on par with the other schools. We have had very few $1M dollar appearance fees.
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Posted: 9/18/2018 1:15 PM
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Would anyone like to compile a payout history in the recent past? I would think the two trips to Tennessee and Ohio State were the biggest.
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Posted: 9/18/2018 1:42 PM
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This year, Ohio gets $650K from Virginia and $250K from Cincinnati.
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Posted: 9/18/2018 1:47 PM
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There has to be a good reason that Akron can get $1.2M for one road game and we get less than that for two road games.

Edit: I just read that Kent St. will bring in the following amounts for OOC road games:

2018: $3.65M
2019: $3.4M
2020: $5M
Last Edited: 9/18/2018 2:09:22 PM by OhioStunter
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Posted: 9/18/2018 6:15 PM
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Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
This year, Ohio gets $650K from Virginia and $250K from Cincinnati.
Cincy is a two game deal. Home and away, not really a money game.
Last Edited: 9/21/2018 12:18:49 PM by colobobcat66
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colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
This year, Ohio gets $650K from Virginia and $250K from Cincinnati.
Cindy is a two game deal. Home and away, not really a money game.
That's a good point. It really makes you think about the approach to some of these OOC road games. Do you take $12M in OOC road game revenue over three years like Kent, even though you know you have very little shot to upset?

Or do you play it more like average payouts for OOC road games for an average shot at a quality win?

Seems to me the reward is higher than the risk here in these financial times. It's a shame that's the way we need to think, but that's the reality.

1. Guarantee of millions of dollars for a likely loss?

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2. Less income for a payout game you may win in the hopes of going undefeated and getting a big bowl payout?
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Posted: 9/18/2018 7:37 PM
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Lots go into this an example is if you want to bring your league officials, have non affiliated officials or use the home conference officials for the game. Using the home conference brings more money, neutral less and bringing your own is worth even less money. In the UC deal you are probably seeing each conference officials working a game in the two game set.

As for Akron, the going rate in the Big10 is that fee or even more.
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Posted: 9/18/2018 8:11 PM
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colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
This year, Ohio gets $650K from Virginia and $250K from Cincinnati.
Cindy is a two game deal. Home and away, not really a money game.
I know they had talked about it in the Blade where these teams like The U take home and homes and it essentially covers the cost of travel and lodging for the team. Nothing really for extra props.

Not only that, I wish we could do what Toledo did about 10 years ago and play a big name opponent in Cleveland or Cincinnati as a neutral site. How they managed to get Ohio State to agree to that kind of deal I will never understand. But that had to be one of the savviest moves by a MAC AD in a long time.
Last Edited: 9/18/2018 8:16:56 PM by Buckeye to Bobcat
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I would not be shocked if the Bearcats get out of their Athens contract in a few years. They probably will not end up playing in Peden and Ohio will need to find another opponent. If $250,000 is what Ohio is getting this season to play at Nippert Stadium, that is not nearly enough. Our Athletic Dept. needs to do a much better job negotiating these deals.
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Posted: 9/18/2018 9:59 PM
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I believe we had a 2 for 1 deal with Northwestern and never got the return game back during the Grobe years.

I think we had a two for one deal with Virginia Tech and they bought out the return game in Athens. Or, Michael Hinton was the "player to be named later".
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Posted: 9/18/2018 11:19 PM
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Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:expand_more
I believe we had a 2 for 1 deal with Northwestern and never got the return game back during the Grobe years.

I think we had a two for one deal with Virginia Tech and they bought out the return game in Athens. Or, Michael Hinton was the "player to be named later".
LOL on Hinton!

We shopped our home game in that series around to a neutral site to make cash off of it, Va Tech said thanks but no thanks and walked. Can’t blame them, was shady on our part.
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Posted: 9/19/2018 10:27 AM
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Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
I would not be shocked if the Bearcats get out of their Athens contract in a few years. They probably will not end up playing in Peden and Ohio will need to find another opponent. If $250,000 is what Ohio is getting this season to play at Nippert Stadium, that is not nearly enough. Our Athletic Dept. needs to do a much better job negotiating these deals.
Interesting collection of money game examples: https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/college/201... /
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Posted: 9/19/2018 10:32 AM
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Liberty paid Old Dominion $1.32 Million to play it's 1st DI game....Absolutely absurd!
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Posted: 9/20/2018 7:03 AM
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Going to Virginia for 650,000 then turning around and paying Howard 500,000 what is that a 150,000 profit? I like D.A's idea of playing a SEC school every year for the money game instead of a mix of low level Big Ten and ACC teams. For one it should be more money, a million plus. For two it would do more for us in recruiting to say we play a SEC school each and every year. Try to get a lower level P5 like Virginia playing us 1 for 1 for a quality opponent at Peden.
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Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Going to Virginia for 650,000 then turning around and paying Howard 500,000 what is that a 150,000 profit? I like D.A's idea of playing a SEC school every year for the money game instead of a mix of low level Big Ten and ACC teams. For one it should be more money, a million plus. For two it would do more for us in recruiting to say we play a SEC school each and every year. Try to get a lower level P5 like Virginia playing us 1 for 1 for a quality opponent at Peden.
Ohio paid Howard $350K. So the Bobcats net $400K in the non-con schedule ($650K from UVA, $250K from UC, $350K to Howard, $150K to UMass).
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:00 AM
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Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
I would not be shocked if the Bearcats get out of their Athens contract in a few years. They probably will not end up playing in Peden and Ohio will need to find another opponent. If $250,000 is what Ohio is getting this season to play at Nippert Stadium, that is not nearly enough. Our Athletic Dept. needs to do a much better job negotiating these deals.
Teams aren't going to get much money in a home-and-home deal. If Cincinnati were to buy out the Ohio home game, then Ohio would end up with a lot more money.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:53 PM
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If the Bearcats buy out the Athens game in a few years, I am not certain what they would pay Ohio, but guessing maybe $200,000? UC turns around and plays a Michigan or Texas or ND and gets close $1.5 million or so and they make out big time.
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There is not a lot of precedence of G5 schools buying out another G5 program.
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Posted: 9/21/2018 10:26 AM
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Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
If the Bearcats buy out the Athens game in a few years, I am not certain what they would pay Ohio, but guessing maybe $200,000? UC turns around and plays a Michigan or Texas or ND and gets close $1.5 million or so and they make out big time.

The NCAA is focused on what type of dessert players can eat, but there's no oversight on what schools do to pay each other big money to buy wins....
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