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Posted: 6/23/2019 8:39 AM
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Could someone with experience in these matters help me out. I’m seeing so many basketball offers, almost multiple ones every day and so few openings the next few years. (I know with the transfer portal that may not really matter anymore). Does the first acceptance nullify or make mute the other offers if there’s only one opening? How does this all work? Just looking for some insight here.
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In general, coaches will put out multiple offers all over. As they evaluate kids some offers will become sticky and some become dependent on factors.

No different than recruiting for a company where you know your order of priority. Some can be because a kid can commit and some because of their talent level. When the kid is ready to commit sometimes you have to double back with the school to make sure the school is going to accept your commit. At least that's how it works with the bigger boys.

And again, having multiple offers out there ain't the worst thing. At that point becomes who commits first for a certain position. When that happens, the school will make it clear to the others unless they're that good that their offer is rescinded essentially by being implied.
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Posted: 6/23/2019 2:42 PM
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I'll go a step further than B-to-B and wonder if any of these kids have been told that they have an offer, but it is conditional and a commitment now would not be accepted by the school.

This happens far too often in Power 5 conference football programs. In my opinion it's a scandal. Pretty bad to be making an offer that is not really an offer.

Along those same lines, I am told by people I trust that Ohio State's offer to Dominque Penn at Dublin Coffman has all but been withdrawn.
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Along those same lines, I am told by people I trust that Ohio State's offer to Dominque Penn at Dublin Coffman has all but been withdrawn.
Surprising considering his dad, Scoonie Penn, is a former osu standout and on the current coaching staff.
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And again, having multiple offers out there ain't the worst thing. At that point becomes who commits first for a certain position. When that happens, the school will make it clear to the others unless they're that good that their offer is rescinded essentially by being implied.
I've been thinking about the recruiting strategy that is unfolding before us for a while now. I'm glad someone created a thread.

As BtB mentions above, putting out so many offers makes it almost a race to commit by creating a market for a few slots. It might also have the opposite effect by diluting the value of an offer. It's tough to feel special when the team makes multiple offers to players at your position the very next week.

There is a marketing benefit to it all that is getting bigger with social media. With players tweeting when they receive an offer they trigger likes, replies, and retweets from family and friends. This broadcasts a lot of goodwill toward our program. I have to think that helps us.
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:16 PM
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Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
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Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.

I think it's more advantageous in that recruits will all know that if they wait, it could be too late. I think it helps to insure that the kids who come here really want to be here and aren't just coming because they've run out of "better options."

Also, I do believe this tactic is the way to eventually land a four-star baller or two. Get your name out there often and early. Offer really good-looking players very early in the process. Stay on them. Let them know that you know who they are and that you really want them. Work on them from the time they're sophomores. Show them love. Show up at their games. Get them to fall in love with you and your school the way you've fallen in love with them. Shoot for the moon, you may land among the stars.

It worked with Walter Luckett. And he wasn't a four-star. He was a five-star baller!
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Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
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Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
And we'll know if Boals failed in a couple years. Offering a lot early has a big downside. Guessing you were never recruited for D1 ball.
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Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
And we'll know if Boals failed in a couple years. Offering a lot early has a big downside. Guessing you were never recruited for D1 ball.
Everybody cast a wide net, Boals is identifying talent and talking to recruits just like every other coach. Ohio football offered over 100 people last year. I know you and other people love Saul, Saul has been justified, he got a new job. Let’s get on board with the new staff.
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Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
And we'll know if Boals failed in a couple years. Offering a lot early has a big downside. Guessing you were never recruited for D1 ball.
I was never recruited for anything athletically speaking, yet I'm not sure how offering a lot early is a bad thing? Many, if not most, of the "big" schools offer a lot and early, and seem to be OK.

As for Saul & Co's strategy, I think it's a mixed bag. In the beginning, it went very well - Carter, Dartis, Ryan Taylor, Doug Taylor, Laster, even BVP at the end.

IMO, where they failed was retaining the likes of Ryan Taylor, Zach Butler, and Jaaron Simmons. They also failed to get that one kid, or two kids, who would have been difference makers from day one - someone like Desmond Bane, Isaiah Maurice, Jayvon Graves, Tyrese Haliburton, Devin Cannady. All of that led to reaching for a couple kids when those players didn't commit.

Then, the final issue related to recruiting and players themselves was not having good solid control of the PG situation, as noted by several fans and posters.
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Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
And we'll know if Boals failed in a couple years. Offering a lot early has a big downside. Guessing you were never recruited for D1 ball.
Jerry, I’d love to hear the downside since you are a master recruiter. Teach me. I’m sorry again that your friend Saul is gone. North Dakota is that way <<<<<<<<.
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Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
And we'll know if Boals failed in a couple years. Offering a lot early has a big downside. Guessing you were never recruited for D1 ball.
Jerry, I’d love to hear the downside since you are a master recruiter. Teach me. I’m sorry again that your friend Saul is gone. North Dakota is that way <<<<<<<<.
Depends on which way the computer screen is pointing. ;)
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Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
If you really dig deep and look into it, the recruiting strategy wasn't bad. But the execution was. They could identify the talent, but not land the commitment. Another guy they were recruiting just blew up this summer, btw.

http://verbalcommits.com/players/jalen-bridges

Boals is landing some early punches, but play on the court will determine a lot as well. It's a wait and see game for now, but we all like what we're seeing so far.
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Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
And we'll know if Boals failed in a couple years. Offering a lot early has a big downside. Guessing you were never recruited for D1 ball.
Someone is still pouting! You cast a wide net early and narrow or it narrows as ithe process unfolds. Each year, aside from offers, you will begin with a hundred plus contacts and evaluations and each year you knock that list down. You may want to move on Jerry.
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
If you really dig deep and look into it, the recruiting strategy wasn't bad. But the execution was. They could identify the talent, but not land the commitment. Another guy they were recruiting just blew up this summer, btw.

http://verbalcommits.com/players/jalen-bridges

Boals is landing some early punches, but play on the court will determine a lot as well. It's a wait and see game for now, but we all like what we're seeing so far.
Not to be that guy, but this and then some. We couldn’t close a kid on our sports management program that was from Wauseon that went with Dambrot (you can guess which kid that is), and this is coming from one of our former assistants
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I think offers are sort of first come, first served. So if a class fills up, offers are rescinded at times. I'm sure there are situations where a guy commits and later the coach tells him he might want to reconsider, that circumstances have changed, and he might not be as good a fit anymore based on how the rest of recruiting went, but I don't think that happens too much. It's obviously not a good look for a coach.

There's lots of offers coaches put out there that I'm sure they know from the beginning they aren't very likely to get. They know they aren't very high on a kid's priority list, but they hope maybe situations change. Maybe other schools pull their offers, and then things change. There's certain guys coaches offer I would imagine that even if a class fills, coaches will find room for them if they decided to commit afterward. It's probably not that hard to find room anyway with the movement of so many players now.
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
If you really dig deep and look into it, the recruiting strategy wasn't bad. But the execution was. They could identify the talent, but not land the commitment. Another guy they were recruiting just blew up this summer, btw.

http://verbalcommits.com/players/jalen-bridges

Boals is landing some early punches, but play on the court will determine a lot as well. It's a wait and see game for now, but we all like what we're seeing so far.
I would argue though that the execution/close/signing of the recruit is the most important aspect of recruiting. Saul was not a closer which is why he is out of D1.
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Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
If you really dig deep and look into it, the recruiting strategy wasn't bad. But the execution was. They could identify the talent, but not land the commitment. Another guy they were recruiting just blew up this summer, btw.

http://verbalcommits.com/players/jalen-bridges

Boals is landing some early punches, but play on the court will determine a lot as well. It's a wait and see game for now, but we all like what we're seeing so far.
I would argue though that the execution/close/signing of the recruit is the most important aspect of recruiting. Saul was not a closer which is why he is out of D1.
You'll get no argument from me there. Even a novice basketball mind can look at a guy and say "yeah that guy is gonna be good." Have to be able to land/convince some of them.
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Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
And we'll know if Boals failed in a couple years. Offering a lot early has a big downside. Guessing you were never recruited for D1 ball.
Someone is still pouting! You cast a wide net early and narrow or it narrows as ithe process unfolds. Each year, aside from offers, you will begin with a hundred plus contacts and evaluations and each year you knock that list down. You may want to move on Jerry.
Trust me, I played ball at a higher level than you did. Who's pouting? Instead I am disappointed in the immature posters who supposedly have degrees from Ohio acting like Saul was a ZERO. Grow up to those it applies to ... I can names names but I wont. It's obvious from reading posts.
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Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
And we'll know if Boals failed in a couple years. Offering a lot early has a big downside. Guessing you were never recruited for D1 ball.
Jerry, I’d love to hear the downside since you are a master recruiter. Teach me. I’m sorry again that your friend Saul is gone. North Dakota is that way <<<<<<<<.
First, were you recruited for any D1 sports? With a lot of offers out there some of the lesser guys may commit thus reducing how many scholarships remain. Some of the better guys may take their time since they know they have MORE offers, often from equal or better schools. In the end it's a numbers game.
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I trust Boals, with his experience as a head coach and asst coach, knows what he's doing.
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Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
And we'll know if Boals failed in a couple years. Offering a lot early has a big downside. Guessing you were never recruited for D1 ball.
Someone is still pouting! You cast a wide net early and narrow or it narrows as ithe process unfolds. Each year, aside from offers, you will begin with a hundred plus contacts and evaluations and each year you knock that list down. You may want to move on Jerry.
Trust me, I played ball at a higher level than you did. Who's pouting? Instead I am disappointed in the immature posters who supposedly have degrees from Ohio acting like Saul was a ZERO. Grow up to those it applies to ... I can names names but I wont. It's obvious from reading posts.
Overly sensitive today? No one is acting like Saul was a zero, those are your words. Saul is a great person, good coach, he’s proven that at other places, just did not work out here. And no one really cares about your glory days. Tim O’Shea played high level ball too, man that really translated well.
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Also, another thing to consider: it seemed like the previous regime was playing their cards closer to the vest than Boals and Co. Some of the SP recruits we wouldn't find out about until they actually committed or a few days prior to committing. They could have had a lot more offers out there than had been reported. Or their strategy was way different.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw this thread. The Saul, and even the JC staffs both seemed to keep things closer to the vest, while Boals' staff has the approach of letting everyone know who they're offering. I'm not sure which approach might be better until we see a few more recruiting classes.
Going out on a limb that Saul and company’s strategy failed miserably.
And we'll know if Boals failed in a couple years. Offering a lot early has a big downside. Guessing you were never recruited for D1 ball.
Jerry, I’d love to hear the downside since you are a master recruiter. Teach me. I’m sorry again that your friend Saul is gone. North Dakota is that way <<<<<<<<.
First, were you recruited for any D1 sports? With a lot of offers out there some of the lesser guys may commit thus reducing how many scholarships remain. Some of the better guys may take their time since they know they have MORE offers, often from equal or better schools. In the end it's a numbers game.
So you are of the opinion that we should offer less players? By your logic, Boals should have not offered Marvin Price.
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