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Ted Thompson
3/5/2018 2:24 PM

Kirk named to All-Freshman Team. Freshman of the Year to be announced tomorrow.

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Ted Thompson
3/5/2018 2:25 PM

Dartis gets Honorable Mention honors.

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Bobcat1998
3/5/2018 3:08 PM
Did I see it correctly that we didn't have a single guy on the top 3 teams? Buffalo has four guys on the All-League team? Ringo makes Third Team? What a joke. I get that we weren't very good but Laster deserved to be a Third Team guy at least. Awful. I want the voter names. We always get screwed!
Last Edited: 3/5/2018 3:11:01 PM by Bobcat1998
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Eagle66
3/5/2018 3:08 PM
Interesting to see Turner and Sibande on both All Freshman and All League Honorable Mention. Guess that means they're probably the freshman of the year too.

Edit following Bobcat1998's post... here are the full all-mac teams:

http://getsomemaction.com/news/2018/3/5/mens-basketball-m...

[quote=MAC Website]2017-18 All-MAC First Team
Tre’Shaun Fletcher, Sr., G, Toledo
C.J. Massinburg, Jr., G, Buffalo
Nick Perkins, Jr., F, Buffalo
James Thompson IV, Jr., F/C, Eastern Michigan
Thomas Wilder, Sr., G, Western Michigan

2017-18 All-MAC Second Team
Eugene German, So., G, Northern Illinois
Jeremy Harris, Jr., G, Buffalo
Tayler Persons, Jr., G, Ball State
Jaelan Sanford, Jr., G, Toledo
Demajeo Wiggins, Jr., F, Bowling Green

2017-18 All-MAC Third Team
Wes Clark, Sr., G, Buffalo
Elijah Minnie, R-Jr., F, Eastern Michigan
Trey Moses, Jr., C, Ball State
Darrian Ringo, Jr., G, Miami
Jaylin Walker, Jr., G, Kent State

2017-18 All-MAC Honorable Mention
Jordan Dartis, Jr., G, Ohio
Daniel Utomi, So., F, Akron
Justin Turner, R-Fr., G, Bowling Green
Nike Sibande, Fr., G, Miami
Paul Jackson, R-Jr., G, Eastern Michigan

2017-18 MAC All-Defensive Team
Tim Bond, Sr., G, Eastern Michigan
Davonta Jordan, So., G, Buffalo
Bryce Moore, Jr., G, Western Michigan
Darrian Ringo, Jr., G, Miami
James Thompson IV, Jr., F/C, Eastern Michigan

2017-18 MAC All-Freshman Team
Dalonte Brown, Fr., F, Miami
Marreon Jackson, Fr., G, Toledo
Teyvion Kirk, Fr., G, Ohio
Nike Sibande, Fr., G, Miami
Justin Turner, R-Fr., G, Bowling Green[/OUTER_QUOTE]
Last Edited: 3/5/2018 3:10:38 PM by Eagle66
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GoCats105
3/5/2018 3:10 PM
I guess Doug Taylor ending the season with more blocks and a better per game average than JT4 doesn't matter for All-Defensive team voters. ;)
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Eagle66
3/5/2018 3:12 PM
MAC twitter says Freshman of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year & Sixth Man of the Year will be announced tomorrow.
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Bobcat1998
3/5/2018 3:14 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I guess Doug Taylor ending the season with more blocks and a better per game average than JT4 doesn't matter for All-Defensive team voters. ;)
I'm sorry but two guys from a ZONE defensive team do not deserve All-Defense. The zone, while a valuable tool in the tool belt, should never be a team's primary defense. And if it is, it's because that coach knows he has a lazy group of defenders. I saw every game we played and Doug was the single most dominating inside presence in the league this year defensively. I just think the voters really do hate our success. They screwed Akron and Kent this year too!
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Bobcat1998
3/5/2018 3:15 PM
Hopefully OUr guys use this as motivation to get some respect and go out and dominate Fiami.
Last Edited: 3/5/2018 3:16:36 PM by Bobcat1998
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colobobcat66
3/5/2018 3:24 PM
It looks like they more or less look at the league standings to give out the awards. If you played near the bottom, you don’t get many awards. I’ve never put much credence in these types of awards, I seen too many nonsensical picks.
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shabamon
3/5/2018 3:25 PM
Not one player from Central made a list?
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colobobcat66
3/5/2018 3:30 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
Did I see it correctly that we didn't have a single guy on the top 3 teams? Buffalo has four guys on the All-League team? Ringo makes Third Team? What a joke. I get that we weren't very good but Laster deserved to be a Third Team guy at least. Awful. I want the voter names. We always get screwed!
I think Ringo is very high in the NCAA in both steals and assists. Can’t really argue too much.
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Bullboy
3/5/2018 3:30 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
Did I see it correctly that we didn't have a single guy on the top 3 teams? Buffalo has four guys on the All-League team? Ringo makes Third Team? What a joke. I get that we weren't very good but Laster deserved to be a Third Team guy at least. Awful. I want the voter names. We always get screwed!
These are voted on by the league's 12 head coaches.. Nobody else
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colobobcat66
3/5/2018 3:34 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
Not one player from Central made a list?
And we’re bitching about another two of our guys not making the lists. They’ve got to be furious.
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GoCats105
3/5/2018 4:03 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Not one player from Central made a list?
And we’re bitching about another two of our guys not making the lists. They’ve got to be furious.
Shawn Roundtree has as good an argument as anyone and is comparable to Tayler Persons at Ball State. I would definitely be furious. Stats aren't everything, but man...

Roundtree: 15.2 ppg, 3.8 apg, 85% FT, 37% FG, 34% 3FG, 1.3 AST ratio, 1006 minutes played

Persons: 14.9 ppg, 4.3 apg, 67% FT, 46% FG, 37% 3FG, 1.4 AST ratio, 917 minutes played
Last Edited: 3/5/2018 4:09:05 PM by GoCats105
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bobcatsquared
3/5/2018 5:19 PM
While DT led the league in blocks, I'm not convinced he's a strong man-on-man defender. Most of his blocks, from memory, have come on help defense, a great quality and benefit to any team's defense. However, I believe he will be a much better low-post defender next year when he starts preventing his man from getting great position close to the basket. Too often, his man had little resistance as he backed DT down.

DT came a long way the past month of the season and I look forward to what he can do along side Jason Carter for his final season.
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OhioCatFan
3/5/2018 10:47 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
It looks like they more or less look at the league standings to give out the awards. If you played near the bottom, you don’t get many awards. I’ve never put much credence in these types of awards, I seen too many nonsensical picks.
I agree. I don't pay much attention these awards, and consider them almost meaningless, except, of course, when Tony Campbell is POY, then I think how wise and absolutely correct were the voters.
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100%Cat
3/6/2018 8:47 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
While DT led the league in blocks, I'm not convinced he's a strong man-on-man defender. Most of his blocks, from memory, have come on help defense, a great quality and benefit to any team's defense. However, I believe he will be a much better low-post defender next year when he starts preventing his man from getting great position close to the basket. Too often, his man had little resistance as he backed DT down.

DT came a long way the past month of the season and I look forward to what he can do along side Jason Carter for his final season.
Doug also had 221 total rebounds, so 7.1 per game. Thompson had 357 total rebounds, 11.5 per game. That's more than a slight difference.
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allen
3/6/2018 12:00 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
Did I see it correctly that we didn't have a single guy on the top 3 teams? Buffalo has four guys on the All-League team? Ringo makes Third Team? What a joke. I get that we weren't very good but Laster deserved to be a Third Team guy at least. Awful. I want the voter names. We always get screwed!
I agree, how does Wes Clark make it? He didn't even play half of the year.
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bobcatsquared
3/6/2018 12:05 PM
Which MAC returning player not on any of the all-MAC teams (who played this year, so not Jason Carter) has the brightest future? I have someone in mind, but I'd like to hear what others have to say first.
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UpSan Bobcat
3/6/2018 12:19 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Not one player from Central made a list?
And we’re bitching about another two of our guys not making the lists. They’ve got to be furious.
Shawn Roundtree has as good an argument as anyone and is comparable to Tayler Persons at Ball State. I would definitely be furious. Stats aren't everything, but man...

Roundtree: 15.2 ppg, 3.8 apg, 85% FT, 37% FG, 34% 3FG, 1.3 AST ratio, 1006 minutes played

Persons: 14.9 ppg, 4.3 apg, 67% FT, 46% FG, 37% 3FG, 1.4 AST ratio, 917 minutes played
The number that stands out there is 37% shooting for Roundtree. That's bad. He took a lot of shots in order to score his points.
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Recovering Journalist
3/6/2018 12:41 PM
We were the 10th best team in the MAC, had a losing record and numerous injuries. All of our candidates for these awards were either hampered by injuries, inconsistent or both. We have no room to complain.

These all seem like pretty fair choices from the league's coaches.
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Ted Thompson
3/6/2018 2:37 PM
Sibande named MAC Freshman of the Year.
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BobcatSports
3/6/2018 4:19 PM
TK finished 3rd. Nike had 58 votes, TK had 54.
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GraffZ06
3/6/2018 5:22 PM
Good.

TK is a good player. We need him to become great.

He's already a good scorer but has plenty of room for growth on his shot, his shot selection, being a true facilitator, cutting down TOs, defense etc.

Let's hope he uses this as motivation to get better. We need it.
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OU_Country
3/7/2018 10:45 AM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
I guess Doug Taylor ending the season with more blocks and a better per game average than JT4 doesn't matter for All-Defensive team voters. ;)
I'm sorry but two guys from a ZONE defensive team do not deserve All-Defense. The zone, while a valuable tool in the tool belt, should never be a team's primary defense. And if it is, it's because that coach knows he has a lazy group of defenders. I saw every game we played and Doug was the single most dominating inside presence in the league this year defensively. I just think the voters really do hate our success. They screwed Akron and Kent this year too!
Tell that to Jim Boeheim, who has employed a 2-3 zone very, very successfully at the highest levels for decades. Or, if we recall, John Chaney did the same thing at Temple with great success for many years.
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