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Posted: 4/3/2018 8:09 PM
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Checking out Jay's resume, I was surprised to learn that he went on a 12-year stretch at Villanova where he only won the conference once. In that same span, he had only six winning seasons in conference play.

It was refreshing to see that he's been with the same school for 17 years and hasn't always had a clear path to success. Some schools would have given up on him...
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:51 AM
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This is where it is a bit easier to be a power conference coach. You come in 4th or 5th in your league but still make the NCAAs and keep your job.

At a mid-major if you don't win your conference tournament every 3-4 years us message boarders will be out for your head.

What Jay Wright has done at Villanova is amazing. If they can keep him and don't lose assistants like mad, they can be a powerhouse program for a long time.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:52 AM
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It's interesting to me that he doesn't seem to be recruiting as many 1-and-dones. Or maybe he is, and he isn't getting them. He seems to be getting more guys who stay multiple years and develop a little more. Two true freshman got minutes but they were the 2nd/3rd guys off the bench, typically. Spellman was a freshman, but was a redshirt so he had 2 years in the program. Brunson, junior. Bridges, RS junior. DiVincenzo, RS soph. Paschall, RS junior.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:53 AM
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Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
. . . At a [non-P6 school] if you don't win your conference tournament every 3-4 years us message boarders will be out for your head.
The important thing to remember is that the AD here pays no attention to what is said on BA. What's said on BA, stays on BA. It has virtually no influence on anyone or anything. Except, of course, for an occasional lesson about the late Rebellion, which is a free educational service! ;-)
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:46 AM
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100%Cat wrote:expand_more
Spellman was a freshman, but was a redshirt so he had 2 years in the program.
Didn't Ohio offer Spellman? Those that saw him play high school ball in Cleveland, was he that good of a player? I thought he really shone in the tournament, dominating inside and able to go outside and hit the 3.
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bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Spellman was a freshman, but was a redshirt so he had 2 years in the program.
Didn't Ohio offer Spellman? Those that saw him play high school ball in Cleveland, was he that good of a player? I thought he really shone in the tournament, dominating inside and able to go outside and hit the 3.
Yes, Ohio did. Very early on if I recall.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 12:22 PM
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100%Cat wrote:expand_more
It's interesting to me that he doesn't seem to be recruiting as many 1-and-dones. Or maybe he is, and he isn't getting them. He seems to be getting more guys who stay multiple years and develop a little more. ...
It may also be part of the church-school culture at Nova. It seems like they're more for getting kids an education than to be a way stop on the road to the NBA (what a concept for a university, huh). Of all the one-and-dones on this list https://theundefeated.com/features/all-the-nba-drafts-one... /, the only ones from a private school are from Duke. There may have been others who opted for the draft and didn't make it.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 3:02 PM
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Pataskala, I think you are right about the church-school culture at Villanova. Look at the other church schools, like Loyola, Gonzaga, Notre Dame, Marquette, Boston College, and Xavier and you see guys who tend to graduate. I'm not sure if that holds for Georgetown or not.

Of all the schools listed above only two are not run by Jesuits -- Villanova (Augustinian) and Notre Dame (Order of the Holy Cross). Those Jesuits, they really know their basketball!
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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:23 PM
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Pataskala wrote:expand_more
It's interesting to me that he doesn't seem to be recruiting as many 1-and-dones. Or maybe he is, and he isn't getting them. He seems to be getting more guys who stay multiple years and develop a little more. ...
It may also be part of the church-school culture at Nova. It seems like they're more for getting kids an education than to be a way stop on the road to the NBA (what a concept for a university, huh). Of all the one-and-dones on this list https://theundefeated.com/features/all-the-nba-drafts-one... /, the only ones from a private school are from Duke. There may have been others who opted for the draft and didn't make it.
Accoridng to 247 Villanova offered the following one-and-dones since 2014:

2017: Mo Bamba, Collin Sexton, Trevon Duval, Kevin Knox
2015: Isaiah Briscoe, Donovan Mitchell (2 years), Thomas Bryant (2 years)
2014: Karl Anthony Towns

I doubt there are very many (if any) coaches that would turn down a one-and-done. Most of them just get out-bid by the Duke's and Kentucky's of the world.

Also one-and-done might be more likely to go to a Kentucky or a Duke where half the team has cleared out from the previous year, as opposed to Villanova where they might have to sit behind a talented upperclassman.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 9:41 PM
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Pataskala, I think you are right about the church-school culture at Villanova. Look at the other church schools, like Loyola, Gonzaga, Notre Dame, Marquette, Boston College, and Xavier and you see guys who tend to graduate. I'm not sure if that holds for Georgetown or not.

Of all the schools listed above only two are not run by Jesuits -- Villanova (Augustinian) and Notre Dame (Order of the Holy Cross). Those Jesuits, they really know their basketball!
And to add a little history that our local historian may not even know:

http://www.kansan.com/news/finding-faith-with-james-naism...
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:09 PM
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I heard on the radio yesterday that Nova went 12-18 just 6 years ago. He was actively recruiting many of the players that are currently in the program. He also didn't win a conference title until his 12th year at Nova (I am pretty sure I heard that correct)
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:41 AM
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According to the papers out here,there are several NBA teams that have an interest in him.

They said there was interest after their last title,but they couldn't convince him to leave.

According to the articles he loves Nova,so it would take a lot to get him to go pro.

The only thing that seems to be in the NBA's favor is that he is now at the top of the college coaching mountain.
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Posted: 4/6/2018 1:33 AM
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Alan, I knew a little bit about Naismith’s religion informing his decisions, but this story adds many, many details I knew nothing about. Thanks for posting.
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Posted: 4/6/2018 10:01 AM
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
According to the papers out here,there are several NBA teams that have an interest in him.

They said there was interest after their last title,but they couldn't convince him to leave.

According to the articles he loves Nova,so it would take a lot to get him to go pro.

The only thing that seems to be in the NBA's favor is that he is now at the top of the college coaching mountain.
Playing Devil's advocate, because I'm not a fan of the NBA, what would convince at coach like Jay Wright to leave a place where he is essentially king? Money, or the new challenge is all I can think of. I'm not familiar with what an NBA coach makes versus a college coach. It's my gut feeling that it's reasonably similar at the high end of the college coaching spectrum.
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Posted: 4/6/2018 10:13 AM
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According to the papers out here,there are several NBA teams that have an interest in him.

They said there was interest after their last title,but they couldn't convince him to leave.

According to the articles he loves Nova,so it would take a lot to get him to go pro.

The only thing that seems to be in the NBA's favor is that he is now at the top of the college coaching mountain.
Playing Devil's advocate, because I'm not a fan of the NBA, what would convince at coach like Jay Wright to leave a place where he is essentially king? Money, or the new challenge is all I can think of. I'm not familiar with what an NBA coach makes versus a college coach. It's my gut feeling that it's reasonably similar at the high end of the college coaching spectrum.
From what the articles said,the only reasons he would leave would be both,money and a new challenge.

Apparently the Phoenix Suns are one the teams that are really interested in him.
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Posted: 4/6/2018 10:50 AM
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What recent successful college coaches have gone on to be successes in the NBA? Brad Stevens. Billy Donovan. Anyone else?
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Posted: 4/7/2018 11:57 AM
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OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
What recent successful college coaches have gone on to be successes in the NBA? Brad Stevens. Billy Donovan. Anyone else?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college... /

The odds seem so bad for a former college coach in the NBA that only a multi-million type of deal would justify such a move. Either that or one is desperately trying to get out of town before the next major college scandal hits.
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