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Topic: The Oregonian investigative report on how shoe companies get money to players' families
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Posted: 3/29/2018 10:27 PM
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If you would allow players to receive endorsement dollars, the big schools will still dominate. A Columbus car dealership can pay more than an Athens dealer. Bigger market. Los Angeles can pay more than East Lansing, etc.
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Posted: 3/29/2018 10:55 PM
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giacomo wrote:expand_more
If you would allow players to receive endorsement dollars, the big schools will still dominate. A Columbus car dealership can pay more than an Athens dealer. Bigger market. Los Angeles can pay more than East Lansing, etc.
How does Lexington, CHapel Hill, Durham and Lawrence fit into that model? None are exactly on par with major metroplezes. DePaul, Butler, Pitt and St Johns would seemingly have a major advantage over Chambana, Bloomington, Morgantown and Syracuse by that logic. I see your point though bigger schools will dominate in a whole new way. .... In any case it is opening college sports to a whole new arms race and the OJ Mayos of the world will pimp the system..or should I say, his guardians that moved him to Ohio to take advantage of OHSAA's more liberal rules will pimp the system to a new degree.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 12:55 AM
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Some of you are advocating positions that would lead to the ultimate destruction of intercollegiate athletics. Paying college athletes, or allowing them to profit from endorsements, would turn college athletics into at least semi-professional operations. These are fundamentally incompatible with non-profit institutions of higher education. This is true both on an intellectual level and on a legal level. Despite what some will tell you, a good case can be made that having a for-profit athletic department with professional football and basketball teams would jeopardize the parent institutions non-profit status. And, trying to spin-off the for-profit operations as some kind of subsidiary will probably not pass legal muster either. I think the end result will be that movement in this direction will expose to public scrutiny the farce of college athletics as somehow tied to the mission of a college to educate students. This connection is tenuous at best now, it'll be completely exposed as a total shame once athletes are paid. I suspect that this will, then, in short order lead to the total destruction of intercollegiate athletics, and maybe that's not such a bad thing.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 8:32 AM
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OCF: I don't understand how paying players and allowing them to get endorsement deals would jeopardize non-profit status.

Borna: I don't think location of schools will matter. Tim Cook is a Duke alum. If he loved basketball, he could pay Duke players to endorse the Iphone. I assume Phil Night would pay Oregon players directly no matter where Nike's headquarters are.


Also, ESPN needs to get some smarter people on the air to talk about the complexity of the issue. Right now its just guys like Trey Wingo saying "The NCAA is corrupt and has millions to spend on players." I don't think that's exactly true.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 9:22 AM
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Maybe we just go with the European club model and pull athletics out of schools all together.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 9:39 AM
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Maybe we just go with the European club model and pull athletics out of schools all together.
Haha

THere will be that vocal minority that will say that but the Majors that are the backbone of the NCAA will guffaw at those who are suggesting it. They have too much name recognition and income from athletics to take it seriously as they enter meetings and make policy.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 11:36 AM
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Maybe we just go with the European club model and pull athletics out of schools all together.
Haha

THere will be that vocal minority that will say that but the Majors that are the backbone of the NCAA will guffaw at those who are suggesting it. They have too much name recognition and income from athletics to take it seriously as they enter meetings and make policy.

Well, we have this alternative with baseball -- not going to college. So, why not with basketball? And even football?

Not removing all sports. But, just having other options to turn pro earlier.

I surmise that college basketball will do just fine with attendance and TV viewing without the few dozen guys who go the G League route.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 12:47 PM
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Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Well, we have this alternative with baseball -- not going to college. So, why not with basketball? And even football?

Not removing all sports. But, just having other options to turn pro earlier.

I surmise that college basketball will do just fine with attendance and TV viewing without the few dozen guys who go the G League route.
I agree, college football and basketball would be just fine going that route. Note: its not an NCAA rule that kids can't go straight from high school to the pros in those sports, those are NFL and NBA league rules, respectively.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 1:51 PM
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mf279801 wrote:expand_more
Well, we have this alternative with baseball -- not going to college. So, why not with basketball? And even football?

Not removing all sports. But, just having other options to turn pro earlier.

I surmise that college basketball will do just fine with attendance and TV viewing without the few dozen guys who go the G League route.
I agree, college football and basketball would be just fine going that route. Note: its not an NCAA rule that kids can't go straight from high school to the pros in those sports, those are NFL and NBA league rules, respectively.
Yea, and it's restraint of trade. I have a friend whose a lawyer who says he'd love to take on either of those leagues in a court battle if he had a good client. He says the previous cases in this area have been poorly handled.
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Posted: 3/30/2018 1:52 PM
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Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Maybe we just go with the European club model and pull athletics out of schools all together.
I think if the push this pay-the-players idea in football and basketball, that could very well be what happens to those two sports in the future.
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Posted: 4/2/2018 9:13 AM
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And another investigative report from NJ Advance Media: The Kingmaker

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Posted: 4/2/2018 9:39 AM
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Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
And another investigative report from NJ Advance Media: https://projects.nj.com/investigations/kingmaker /
What's really bad is how they say that there's nothing here that is unusual.

Its a big issue with some of the top Catholic High Schools in this area,particularly Bergen Catholic.

They swear they don't recruit,yet top athletes,including ones who commute 2 hours each way,seem to migrate there.

Its paid off,especially in sports like wrestling,where they are a national power.

They also use "host" families.

Of course,the kids go there for academics.
Including kids who graduate,without attending many classes their senior year.
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