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OU_Country
3/12/2018 12:00 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Bottom line - no MAC team will ever get an at large bid. Win the MAC tournament. It is all that matters. Always amused each year in December (or January after a loss to a poor MAC team) when folks post “that pretty much kills any hope for an at large bid.” News flash. We are one bid league. Period.
Yep ^^^^^^ .no difference between the MAC and MAAC on this topic. One bid league for probably the rest of our lifetime. #reality And by the way, that was the worst Selection Show in the history of Section Show telecasts. Complete embarrassment.
Here's the news flash. All mids are now one bid leagues.
So along with this line of thinking, if all the mids are one-bid leagues, should we still complain about how bad of a schedule Ohio plays some years?
Two ways of looking at this:

(1) You play a light OOC schedule and get a ton of wins under your belt because you know you're not getting an at-large bid no matter what you do. You put all your focus on conference play and the conference tournament.

(2) You play a tough schedule with a lot of road games against quality opponents to get your team ready. The conference tournament is still just as important, but who knows if you pull an upset or two an at-large bid isn't out of the question while still a long shot. Also, your fans are happy because the schedule has big names/conferences on it.
Exactly plus what cc said in number 3. Whatever team when 0 - 13 in the non-conference part of the season proved that point. Play the best, attract fans, and get yourself ready.
I think that team is Texas Southern. They went 0-13 and didn't play a single OOC home game by doing so. I don't think that's really what we would want for Ohio is it?
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Pataskala
3/12/2018 12:15 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
Bottom line - no MAC team will ever get an at large bid. Win the MAC tournament. It is all that matters. Always amused each year in December (or January after a loss to a poor MAC team) when folks post “that pretty much kills any hope for an at large bid.” News flash. We are one bid league. Period.
Yep ^^^^^^ .no difference between the MAC and MAAC on this topic. One bid league for probably the rest of our lifetime. #reality And by the way, that was the worst Selection Show in the history of Section Show telecasts. Complete embarrassment.
Here's the news flash. All mids are now one bid leagues.
If Davidson hadn't won, the A10 would've been a one-bid league. Quite a come-down from the years when A10 was good for at least three bids. All the reshuffling of conferences has watered down some of the upper mid-majors.
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cc-cat
3/12/2018 12:17 PM
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No - we want some home games. Play tough opponents that test the team and, hopefully, make the team and individuals better. Thankfully, it is not like football where playing higher level competition can often lead to injury -- as the need to avoid injuries going into conference play is critical - just ask Saul and Notre Dame.
Last Edited: 3/12/2018 12:17:56 PM by cc-cat
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GoCats105
3/12/2018 12:59 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Bottom line - no MAC team will ever get an at large bid. Win the MAC tournament. It is all that matters. Always amused each year in December (or January after a loss to a poor MAC team) when folks post “that pretty much kills any hope for an at large bid.” News flash. We are one bid league. Period.
Yep ^^^^^^ .no difference between the MAC and MAAC on this topic. One bid league for probably the rest of our lifetime. #reality And by the way, that was the worst Selection Show in the history of Section Show telecasts. Complete embarrassment.
Here's the news flash. All mids are now one bid leagues.
So along with this line of thinking, if all the mids are one-bid leagues, should we still complain about how bad of a schedule Ohio plays some years?
Two ways of looking at this:

(1) You play a light OOC schedule and get a ton of wins under your belt because you know you're not getting an at-large bid no matter what you do. You put all your focus on conference play and the conference tournament.

(2) You play a tough schedule with a lot of road games against quality opponents to get your team ready. The conference tournament is still just as important, but who knows if you pull an upset or two an at-large bid isn't out of the question while still a long shot. Also, your fans are happy because the schedule has big names/conferences on it.
Exactly plus what cc said in number 3. Whatever team when 0 - 13 in the non-conference part of the season proved that point. Play the best, attract fans, and get yourself ready.
I think that team is Texas Southern. They went 0-13 and didn't play a single OOC home game by doing so. I don't think that's really what we would want for Ohio is it?
Coached by former Indiana coach Mike Davis. It's such an interesting strategy. Not sure how it would work in other leagues. Great little piece here from Deadspin on December 27th regarding it.

https://deadspin.com/this-0-13-basketball-team-is-a-favor...
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Alan Swank
3/12/2018 2:14 PM
The show reminded me of a very bad game show with amateur announcers (these guys are much better behind a desk with a script) and an audience waiting to hear "come on down!"
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GoCats105
3/12/2018 2:16 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
The show reminded me of a very bad game show with amateur announcers (these guys are much better behind a desk with a script) and an audience waiting to hear "come on down!"
They definitely went over the top with the changes. Really could have done without the MTV vibe with the studio audience. I understand the changes because the old version lasted way, way too long and the bracket was leaked the past couple of years so they wanted to avoid that.

They just need to speed up the old version instead of Seth Davis, Chuck, Kenny Smith and whomever else analyzing each bracket as they go along. Just make the reveals, then go more in depth after all 68 teams have been announced. It's not that hard.
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OU_Country
3/12/2018 2:51 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
The show reminded me of a very bad game show with amateur announcers (these guys are much better behind a desk with a script) and an audience waiting to hear "come on down!"
They definitely went over the top with the changes. Really could have done without the MTV vibe with the studio audience. I understand the changes because the old version lasted way, way too long and the bracket was leaked the past couple of years so they wanted to avoid that.

They just need to speed up the old version instead of Seth Davis, Chuck, Kenny Smith and whomever else analyzing each bracket as they go along. Just make the reveals, then go more in depth after all 68 teams have been announced. It's not that hard.
Agreed - just pick a region, and whip through it region by region (more or less) as fast as possible. Do two regions, go to commercial, then come back to do the rest. Go to commercial, then come back and give me the committee chair's 5-10 minutes of falsehoods and excuses. After that, analysis by the team assembled in the studio(s). This is where Sir Charles is good with his humor - after the facts have been revealed.
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OhioStunter
3/12/2018 2:54 PM
I don't disagree with any of this. But I'm wondering if there's a trend now about live events and the Twitter/social media reaction afterward. Have there been any live events where people have NOT had a problem with how it went down? Some of the biggest live events have had a number of (mostly legit) complaints, there just seems to be more of a public forum to make them stand out. For example:

-NBA All-Star Pre-Game
-Fergie at NBA All-Star Game
-The Bachelor (I didn't watch it, I swear, but the Twitterverse reaction...)
-The Oscars
-Super Bowl halftime
-New Year's Eve coverage
-#Maction (just kidding. not kidding.)
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BobcatSports
3/12/2018 3:40 PM
Another slap at the Little Sisters of the Poor that “made” The Dance, Texas Southern and NCCU are forced to face each other in a play-in game in Dayton. Obviously one of the kindred Sisters are going to eliminate the other.

OUVan not all mids are one bid leagues. The A-10 got tourney winner Davidson and at large Rhode Island and the Bonnies. Those 3 have in common no D1 football programs and no I’m not advocating we jettison the football program. Just sayin.
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GoCats105
3/12/2018 4:13 PM
BobcatSports wrote:expand_more
Another slap at the Little Sisters of the Poor that “made” The Dance, Texas Southern and NCCU are forced to face each other in a play-in game in Dayton. Obviously one of the kindred Sisters are going to eliminate the other.

OUVan not all mids are one bid leagues. The A-10 got tourney winner Davidson and at large Rhode Island and the Bonnies. Those 3 have in common no D1 football programs and no I’m not advocating we jettison the football program. Just sayin.
I've still never understood why the conference tournament winners are forced to play in the First Four in Dayton, just because of their conference affiliation. Make the last four at-large bids play there. Last ones in should get the shaft.
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OU_Country
3/12/2018 4:23 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Another slap at the Little Sisters of the Poor that “made” The Dance, Texas Southern and NCCU are forced to face each other in a play-in game in Dayton. Obviously one of the kindred Sisters are going to eliminate the other.

OUVan not all mids are one bid leagues. The A-10 got tourney winner Davidson and at large Rhode Island and the Bonnies. Those 3 have in common no D1 football programs and no I’m not advocating we jettison the football program. Just sayin.
I've still never understood why the conference tournament winners are forced to play in the First Four in Dayton, just because of their conference affiliation. Make the last four at-large bids play there. Last ones in should get the shaft.
Seconded.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
3/12/2018 4:24 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
/\/\/\/\/\/\ - OU Country

No - we want some home games. Play tough opponents that test the team and, hopefully, make the team and individuals better. Thankfully, it is not like football where playing higher level competition can often lead to injury -- as the need to avoid injuries going into conference play is critical - just ask Saul and Notre Dame.
Has there ever been a study that shows this to be the case? I don't buy that playing better competition leads to more likely injury.
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cc-cat
3/12/2018 5:03 PM
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Good question. I've blindly accepted it for two reasons: 1. it is early in the football season so players are still getting into game shape, thus more susceptible to injury (a premise) and 2. while I don't think the skill level difference in the 1st string is so great, the skill level in 2nd on down is, thus leading to injuries that then hurt depth as the season progresses. Just premises. I may be completely wrong... and often am.
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