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shabamon
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Posted: 10/17/2018 10:06 PM
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Curious how you would rank the following three players who graduated high school in the last 10 years. These are their senior year stats. They each graduated from the same Division 1 high school in Ohio in different years. They are each shooting guards roughly the same height and weight. They each were three year varsity starters.

Player A:
GP/GS: 26/24
FGM/FGA: 156/345, 45.2%
PPG: 17.2
3pt: 57/146, 39%
FT: 78/114, 68.4%
RPG: 4.9
SPG: 1.7
BPG: 0.5
A/TO: 2.2/2.4
Team's record: 25-2 (Player missed one game for injury)

Player B:
GP/GS: 24/23
FGM/FGA: 140/323, 43.3%
PPG: 18.7
3pt: 51/157, 32.5%
FT: 118/150, 78.7%
RPG: 3.7
SPG: 3.1
BPG: 0.2
A/TO: 2.0/2.4
Team's record: 19-5

Player C:
GP/GS: 27/27
FGM/FGA: 169/312, 54.2%
PPG: 17.6
3pt: 52/120, 43.3%
FT: 85/100, 85%
RPG: 3.2
SPG: 1.7
BPG: 0.4
A/TO: 2.4/1.8
Team's record: 23-4
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Posted: 10/18/2018 9:59 AM
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shabamon wrote:expand_more
Curious how you would rank the following three players who graduated high school in the last 10 years. These are their senior year stats. They each graduated from the same Division 1 high school in Ohio in different years. They are each shooting guards roughly the same height and weight. They each were three year varsity starters.

Player A:
GP/GS: 26/24
FGM/FGA: 156/345, 45.2%
PPG: 17.2
3pt: 57/146, 39%
FT: 78/114, 68.4%
RPG: 4.9
SPG: 1.7
BPG: 0.5
A/TO: 2.2/2.4
Team's record: 25-2 (Player missed one game for injury)

Player B:
GP/GS: 24/23
FGM/FGA: 140/323, 43.3%
PPG: 18.7
3pt: 51/157, 32.5%
FT: 118/150, 78.7%
RPG: 3.7
SPG: 3.1
BPG: 0.2
A/TO: 2.0/2.4
Team's record: 19-5

Player C:
GP/GS: 27/27
FGM/FGA: 169/312, 54.2%
PPG: 17.6
3pt: 52/120, 43.3%
FT: 85/100, 85%
RPG: 3.2
SPG: 1.7
BPG: 0.4
A/TO: 2.4/1.8
Team's record: 23-4
I would say it depends on what I want from a player for my team.

I like player C the most because of the high FG and FT percentages, highest assist, and lowest turnover numbers.

I also like the perceived defensive abilities of player B - steals per game caught my eye. So maybe he's a defensive stopper, and I need that?
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Posted: 10/18/2018 11:43 AM
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Player B seems to be somebody more willing to go to the hoop, based solely on how often he gets to the line. That seems to then be refuted by the fact that his shooting percentage is the lowest of the group. On the numbers alone, it seems as though Player C is the most enticing.
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Posted: 10/18/2018 2:12 PM
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shabamon wrote:expand_more
Curious how you would rank the following three players who graduated high school in the last 10 years. These are their senior year stats. They each graduated from the same Division 1 high school in Ohio in different years. They are each shooting guards roughly the same height and weight. They each were three year varsity starters.

Player A:
GP/GS: 26/24
FGM/FGA: 156/345, 45.2%
PPG: 17.2
3pt: 57/146, 39%
FT: 78/114, 68.4%
RPG: 4.9
SPG: 1.7
BPG: 0.5
A/TO: 2.2/2.4
Team's record: 25-2 (Player missed one game for injury)

Player B:
GP/GS: 24/23
FGM/FGA: 140/323, 43.3%
PPG: 18.7
3pt: 51/157, 32.5%
FT: 118/150, 78.7%
RPG: 3.7
SPG: 3.1
BPG: 0.2
A/TO: 2.0/2.4
Team's record: 19-5

Player C:
GP/GS: 27/27
FGM/FGA: 169/312, 54.2%
PPG: 17.6
3pt: 52/120, 43.3%
FT: 85/100, 85%
RPG: 3.2
SPG: 1.7
BPG: 0.4
A/TO: 2.4/1.8
Team's record: 23-4
Player C seems to be the best shooter. Player B has some indications of athleticism. Player A's shooting is a concern but he rebounds and wins. It's really hard to pick without more context. Without it, even the notes made before could be wrong.
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Posted: 10/19/2018 12:38 PM
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shabamon wrote:expand_more
Player A:
GP/GS: 26/24
FGM/FGA: 156/345, 45.2%
PPG: 17.2
3pt: 57/146, 39%
FT: 78/114, 68.4%
RPG: 4.9
SPG: 1.7
BPG: 0.5
A/TO: 2.2/2.4
Team's record: 25-2 (Player missed one game for injury)

Player B:
GP/GS: 24/23
FGM/FGA: 140/323, 43.3%
PPG: 18.7
3pt: 51/157, 32.5%
FT: 118/150, 78.7%
RPG: 3.7
SPG: 3.1
BPG: 0.2
A/TO: 2.0/2.4
Team's record: 19-5

Player C:
GP/GS: 27/27
FGM/FGA: 169/312, 54.2%
PPG: 17.6
3pt: 52/120, 43.3%
FT: 85/100, 85%
RPG: 3.2
SPG: 1.7
BPG: 0.4
A/TO: 2.4/1.8
Team's record: 23-4
Few responses, so I'll reveal who they are. Sounds like there is intrigue with Player C, but also interest in Player B.

Player A is Orlando Williams who played two years at Miami before transferring to Eastern Kentucky. His senior year at Princeton High in Cincinnati, he was 1st team all-Ohio in Division 1.

Player B is Jordan Sibert who was a five star recruit before his junior year at Princeton. He played sparingly for two years at Ohio State before transferring to Dayton where he blossomed as UD's best player. He has been on summer league and G-league rosters and now plays professionally in Greece.

Player C is Darweshi Hunter who I have mentioned on here before as someone I would love to have playing in Athens. He just graduated from Princeton and played alongside Darius Bazley, the All-American who backed out of commitments to OSU, Syracuse, and the G-league. Darweshi received no division 1 offers and is now at a post grad prep school. Upon enrollment at prep school, he received his first D-1 offer from Central Connecticut.

Coaches are dumb.
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Posted: 10/19/2018 2:42 PM
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The interesting thing is that Sibert developed into a better shooter over time.
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Posted: 10/19/2018 3:07 PM
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The one explanation there could be that Sibert was far and away the best player on his team, so he likely took a stronger percentage of his team's shots that year. Orlando had three other D1 teammates, and Hunter of course played with Bazley.
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Posted: 10/21/2018 11:39 AM
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I think that the lesson here is that with the exception of a few naturally gifted talents (did you see how Lebron in High School looked like a grown man playing with young boys) that all High School level recruiting is pretty much of a crap shoot. I also think that there is something to be said about mid-major teams going after transfers from elsewhere who have already given some clues of how they size up against others in Division 1. It seems that high school ball and college ball are like comparing apples and oranges, and that there are factors such as maturity, durability, and potential growth that can't be adequately measured alone from what one displays when one is younger. There are also players that discover that they excel better in one system as opposed to another; in fact, that can change year to year depending on the supporting staff around oneself.
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Posted: 10/22/2018 4:20 PM
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Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
I think that the lesson here is that with the exception of a few naturally gifted talents (did you see how Lebron in High School looked like a grown man playing with young boys) that all High School level recruiting is pretty much of a crap shoot. I also think that there is something to be said about mid-major teams going after transfers from elsewhere who have already given some clues of how they size up against others in Division 1. It seems that high school ball and college ball are like comparing apples and oranges, and that there are factors such as maturity, durability, and potential growth that can't be adequately measured alone from what one displays when one is younger. There are also players that discover that they excel better in one system as opposed to another; in fact, that can change year to year depending on the supporting staff around oneself.
The lesson is that you can't blind resume recruit 17-year olds for a ton of reasons off of box scores.
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Posted: 10/22/2018 11:34 PM
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Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
I think that the lesson here is that with the exception of a few naturally gifted talents (did you see how Lebron in High School looked like a grown man playing with young boys) that all High School level recruiting is pretty much of a crap shoot. I also think that there is something to be said about mid-major teams going after transfers from elsewhere who have already given some clues of how they size up against others in Division 1. It seems that high school ball and college ball are like comparing apples and oranges, and that there are factors such as maturity, durability, and potential growth that can't be adequately measured alone from what one displays when one is younger. There are also players that discover that they excel better in one system as opposed to another; in fact, that can change year to year depending on the supporting staff around oneself.
+1 very good observation.
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