Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/24/2025 12:11 PM
It was a pretty early trigger on the rail switch to Siberia.
I agree it was historically at BA to an early time make this move, but this has become the norm recently.
I appreciate JimLurker's attempt to right the ship, but I guess it was too little too late. The political leaning posts had already been made, and I've noticed that some of the mods have recently begun moving threads after the first vaguely political post and not waiting for an all out political discussion to emerge. I don't mind this if it's done consistently -- like an official who makes the same calls against both teams and at the end as well as the beginning of the game. However, I'm sad because I'll never get any discussion of the issue I raised now that the thread is in Siberia. I seriously thought that this might be an important recruiting strategy going forward.
OCF - we can still have the discussion about recruiting players from other countries. No one shut off that conversation. Several questions though about the logistics of such a move. 1) Is the AD charged the in-state rate or the out of state rate for those scholarships? 2) How is NIL money and revenue sharing money paid to non-citizens? 3) Would they be here on a work visa or student visa? Many schools have these players but I was just wondering how that will all work at 25-26 rolls around.
My understanding of the answers to those questions:
1. They are charged the out-of-state rate.
2. Most come in on student visas. There is some stipulation on these visas that prohibit an athlete from receiving NIL money. I think it has something to do with NIL funds not being considered "earned income." These students are free to get a part-time job at McDonalds. I know that student visa require, in most instances, for the U.S. to guarantee to the student's country of origin that he or she will return after graduation. I know one instance where a student from a country in the Mideast who refused to return was forcefully deported and returned against his will.
3. I think a student who comes in on a work visa probably would be allowed to collect NIL funds. However, many countries will not allow their nationals to come to school in a foreign country on a work visa.
I would suspect that we have people on this board who know more of the intricacies of this situation than I do. But, in broad brushstrokes that's my understanding, gleaned mainly from searches on the interwebs over some period of time.
I'm not quite sure on item (2). I think that folks on student visas typically are prohibited from any employment that isn't on-campus work and that on-campus work has hours caps. Otherwise, I think only work that's part of Occupational Practical Training (OPT), or Curricular Practical Training (CPT) is allowed otherwise. I don't think it's true that they're free to get a part-time job at McDonald's, actually. If that were true, it would be pretty easy to pay NIL money, too.
Also, I don't think the requirement is specifically that you have to return to your home country (that would be a bad investment for the US, right?). It's more that you have to have established ties to your home country and you're required to return post OPT/OPT STEM Extension if you don't get the proper work sponsorship to stay. The vast, vast majority of folks coming to the US on student visas try to get hired in the US so that they can stay here; many enroll in post-graduate programs on the side to extend the timeline, in fact. Nowadays, there are schools in the US that exist basically entirely for that purpose.
I suspect it would be difficult but not impossible to get NIL money to an international student on a student visa. Basically, you'd have to make sure that the "work" was somehow related to the field of study. So 1) there would actually have to be work and 2) it has to match the person's major reasonably well.
Last Edited: 2/24/2025 12:33:55 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame