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Ted Thompson
1/19/2019 6:07 PM

Use this thread to talk about anything game-related.

Date: January 22nd, 2019 7:00 PM

Opponent: Western Michigan  (6-12, 0-5 MAC)

Site: Convocation Center

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FearLeon
1/19/2019 8:39 PM
Lose this one and I'm really not sure how Saul shows up for work on Wednesday. We can't lose this one at home can we???? And this isn't me calling for a dismissal if he loses this one, that's not going to take place. I'm just saying it's going to be difficult for Saul to pull into that Convo parking spot on Wednesday if he drops this game to WMU.
Last Edited: 1/19/2019 8:42:46 PM by FearLeon
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Urban Bobcat
1/19/2019 9:18 PM
The battle of the bottom feeders.
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Jerry86
1/19/2019 11:46 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Lose this one and I'm really not sure how Saul shows up for work on Wednesday. We can't lose this one at home can we???? And this isn't me calling for a dismissal if he loses this one, that's not going to take place. I'm just saying it's going to be difficult for Saul to pull into that Convo parking spot on Wednesday if he drops this game to WMU.

You are pathetic. Do you show up for work when you do not perform (as I am sure you do at times)? Don't understand your HATE for Saul. It's blanking game and he has more class than Groce did as a PERSON.
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Cats5
1/20/2019 10:22 AM
Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Lose this one and I'm really not sure how Saul shows up for work on Wednesday. We can't lose this one at home can we???? And this isn't me calling for a dismissal if he loses this one, that's not going to take place. I'm just saying it's going to be difficult for Saul to pull into that Convo parking spot on Wednesday if he drops this game to WMU.

You are pathetic. Do you show up for work when you do not perform (as I am sure you do at times)? Don't understand your HATE for Saul. It's blanking game and he has more class than Groce did as a PERSON.
I liked Saul when he was hired and thought he was a wonderful fit for the job. But don’t get me wrong, Saul is a great guy to talk to and easy to hold a conversation with. That’s not his job though, he’s supposed to win ball games and win a MAC championship and that hasn’t happened. I don’t see him at Ohio much longer and that’s probably what needs to happen. If he turns this team around, then great I’m happy about it.
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Townie1977
1/20/2019 11:21 AM
Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Lose this one and I'm really not sure how Saul shows up for work on Wednesday. We can't lose this one at home can we???? And this isn't me calling for a dismissal if he loses this one, that's not going to take place. I'm just saying it's going to be difficult for Saul to pull into that Convo parking spot on Wednesday if he drops this game to WMU.

You are pathetic. Do you show up for work when you do not perform (as I am sure you do at times)? Don't understand your HATE for Saul. It's blanking game and he has more class than Groce did as a PERSON.
Hey Jerry- you know what is pathetic? I'll go ahead and fill you in. It is utterly pathetic that there are still apologists for what is going on in this program. Rec league basketball is game. When an individual gets paid $550k to manage a program and WIN games, its a little more than that. I'd have to guess that your stance is now the minority. Saul's lack of competence has nothing to do with John Groce, that ship has sailed. However, since you brought him up- think back to a time when you thought a Groce team had no chance in a contest- hard pressed?

In closing Jerry, stop making excuses, call a spade a spade, and man up. If you'd like to watch a game, I understand there are several decent area high school teams that you can support.
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OhioBobcat
1/20/2019 12:37 PM
Ohio will beat WMU and this will get them going as there are some winnable games coming up the next couple weeks.
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Gman
1/20/2019 2:32 PM
Townie1977 wrote:expand_more
Lose this one and I'm really not sure how Saul shows up for work on Wednesday. We can't lose this one at home can we???? And this isn't me calling for a dismissal if he loses this one, that's not going to take place. I'm just saying it's going to be difficult for Saul to pull into that Convo parking spot on Wednesday if he drops this game to WMU.

You are pathetic. Do you show up for work when you do not perform (as I am sure you do at times)? Don't understand your HATE for Saul. It's blanking game and he has more class than Groce did as a PERSON.
Hey Jerry- you know what is pathetic? I'll go ahead and fill you in. It is utterly pathetic that there are still apologists for what is going on in this program. Rec league basketball is game. When an individual gets paid $550k to manage a program and WIN games, its a little more than that. I'd have to guess that your stance is now the minority. Saul's lack of competence has nothing to do with John Groce, that ship has sailed. However, since you brought him up- think back to a time when you thought a Groce team had no chance in a contest- hard pressed?

In closing Jerry, stop making excuses, call a spade a spade, and man up. If you'd like to watch a game, I understand there are several decent area high school teams that you can support.

John Groce took a 9th seed Ohio Bobcat Team, Won on the road at Ball St, then on to Cleveland to win the MAC Tournament Championship and if that wasn't enough, UPSET Georgetown in the 1st Round of the NCAA Tournament. Unlike Saul Groce could Coach, also Coach Groce was a class act while in Athens.
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allen
1/20/2019 6:46 PM
OhioBobcat wrote:expand_more
Ohio will beat WMU and this will get them going as there are some winnable games coming up the next couple weeks.
Let’s go Cats
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OU_Country
1/21/2019 1:34 PM
Townie1977 wrote:expand_more
Lose this one and I'm really not sure how Saul shows up for work on Wednesday. We can't lose this one at home can we???? And this isn't me calling for a dismissal if he loses this one, that's not going to take place. I'm just saying it's going to be difficult for Saul to pull into that Convo parking spot on Wednesday if he drops this game to WMU.

You are pathetic. Do you show up for work when you do not perform (as I am sure you do at times)? Don't understand your HATE for Saul. It's blanking game and he has more class than Groce did as a PERSON.
Hey Jerry- you know what is pathetic? I'll go ahead and fill you in. It is utterly pathetic that there are still apologists for what is going on in this program. Rec league basketball is game. When an individual gets paid $550k to manage a program and WIN games, its a little more than that. I'd have to guess that your stance is now the minority. Saul's lack of competence has nothing to do with John Groce, that ship has sailed. However, since you brought him up- think back to a time when you thought a Groce team had no chance in a contest- hard pressed?

In closing Jerry, stop making excuses, call a spade a spade, and man up. If you'd like to watch a game, I understand there are several decent area high school teams that you can support.
Where is he being an apologist for Saul? Certainly not by sharing his opinion of Saul's class from his perspective.
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Townie1977
1/21/2019 3:24 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Lose this one and I'm really not sure how Saul shows up for work on Wednesday. We can't lose this one at home can we???? And this isn't me calling for a dismissal if he loses this one, that's not going to take place. I'm just saying it's going to be difficult for Saul to pull into that Convo parking spot on Wednesday if he drops this game to WMU.

You are pathetic. Do you show up for work when you do not perform (as I am sure you do at times)? Don't understand your HATE for Saul. It's blanking game and he has more class than Groce did as a PERSON.
Hey Jerry- you know what is pathetic? I'll go ahead and fill you in. It is utterly pathetic that there are still apologists for what is going on in this program. Rec league basketball is game. When an individual gets paid $550k to manage a program and WIN games, its a little more than that. I'd have to guess that your stance is now the minority. Saul's lack of competence has nothing to do with John Groce, that ship has sailed. However, since you brought him up- think back to a time when you thought a Groce team had no chance in a contest- hard pressed?

In closing Jerry, stop making excuses, call a spade a spade, and man up. If you'd like to watch a game, I understand there are several decent area high school teams that you can support.
Where is he being an apologist for Saul? Certainly not by sharing his opinion of Saul's class from his perspective.
Come on, feel like this is bait, but I'll take it. For the purpose of your clear as day question:


"It's a blanking game"- to quote Saul, err Jerry. The thing is, Saul gets paid to win blanking games.

Winning games matters in Division I sports, period. If one does not think winning matters at the Division one level and is satisfied with the quality of this program based on "class", I equate that to being an apologist.
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OU_Country
1/21/2019 3:50 PM
Townie1977 wrote:expand_more
Lose this one and I'm really not sure how Saul shows up for work on Wednesday. We can't lose this one at home can we???? And this isn't me calling for a dismissal if he loses this one, that's not going to take place. I'm just saying it's going to be difficult for Saul to pull into that Convo parking spot on Wednesday if he drops this game to WMU.

You are pathetic. Do you show up for work when you do not perform (as I am sure you do at times)? Don't understand your HATE for Saul. It's blanking game and he has more class than Groce did as a PERSON.
Hey Jerry- you know what is pathetic? I'll go ahead and fill you in. It is utterly pathetic that there are still apologists for what is going on in this program. Rec league basketball is game. When an individual gets paid $550k to manage a program and WIN games, its a little more than that. I'd have to guess that your stance is now the minority. Saul's lack of competence has nothing to do with John Groce, that ship has sailed. However, since you brought him up- think back to a time when you thought a Groce team had no chance in a contest- hard pressed?

In closing Jerry, stop making excuses, call a spade a spade, and man up. If you'd like to watch a game, I understand there are several decent area high school teams that you can support.
Where is he being an apologist for Saul? Certainly not by sharing his opinion of Saul's class from his perspective.
Come on, feel like this is bait, but I'll take it. For the purpose of your clear as day question:


"It's a blanking game"- to quote Saul, err Jerry. The thing is, Saul gets paid to win blanking games.

Winning games matters in Division I sports, period. If one does not think winning matters at the Division one level and is satisfied with the quality of this program based on "class", I equate that to being an apologist.
Seems to me like you're reaching pretty far here just to argue with Jerry. Also, unless I'm mistaken, there is no place where there's a statement about satisfaction of the quality of the program from anyone in this thread named Jerry, or OU_country.

The only thing I see is his opinion on the quality of Saul's class, and the lack of satisfaction with #FearHastag's (nearly) daily post of complaints and derision towards Saul.
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Townie1977
1/21/2019 5:16 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Lose this one and I'm really not sure how Saul shows up for work on Wednesday. We can't lose this one at home can we???? And this isn't me calling for a dismissal if he loses this one, that's not going to take place. I'm just saying it's going to be difficult for Saul to pull into that Convo parking spot on Wednesday if he drops this game to WMU.

You are pathetic. Do you show up for work when you do not perform (as I am sure you do at times)? Don't understand your HATE for Saul. It's blanking game and he has more class than Groce did as a PERSON.
Hey Jerry- you know what is pathetic? I'll go ahead and fill you in. It is utterly pathetic that there are still apologists for what is going on in this program. Rec league basketball is game. When an individual gets paid $550k to manage a program and WIN games, its a little more than that. I'd have to guess that your stance is now the minority. Saul's lack of competence has nothing to do with John Groce, that ship has sailed. However, since you brought him up- think back to a time when you thought a Groce team had no chance in a contest- hard pressed?

In closing Jerry, stop making excuses, call a spade a spade, and man up. If you'd like to watch a game, I understand there are several decent area high school teams that you can support.
Where is he being an apologist for Saul? Certainly not by sharing his opinion of Saul's class from his perspective.
Come on, feel like this is bait, but I'll take it. For the purpose of your clear as day question:


"It's a blanking game"- to quote Saul, err Jerry. The thing is, Saul gets paid to win blanking games.

Winning games matters in Division I sports, period. If one does not think winning matters at the Division one level and is satisfied with the quality of this program based on "class", I equate that to being an apologist.
Seems to me like you're reaching pretty far here just to argue with Jerry. Also, unless I'm mistaken, there is no place where there's a statement about satisfaction of the quality of the program from anyone in this thread named Jerry, or OU_country.

The only thing I see is his opinion on the quality of Saul's class, and the lack of satisfaction with #FearHastag's (nearly) daily post of complaints and derision towards Saul.

Fair enough. No desire to argue. I think you can hang your hat on class when the program is at a minimum competing. Our program is not. From my vantage point, Saul's schtick or class (as it seems to be confused with) comes off as a used car salesman's gimmick.

I was all in on him 5 years ago, and I am 100% out now.

My desire for this team is to compete. I do not expect annual championships, POY winners, or NCAA appearances. I do expect that this team is lead by an individual who can consistently prepare in an effort to compete. This includes when players are injured or otherwise. Having the foresight to develop depth, recruit athletes and understand one's competition are requirements of this leadership position. Based on the previous three points I question who currently leads this team. "Class" does not determine a leader.

When an individual is paid $500k to lead a program, there should be no question when expecting results and the "it's a blanking game" excuse should never be uttered. I know more than a handful of fellas who'd probably take $250k, behave with "class", and fail to compete in just about as many games as our current leader.
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BobcatSports
1/21/2019 8:01 PM
We open as 6pt favorites.
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RSBobcat
1/21/2019 10:18 PM
Townie1977 wrote:expand_more
Lose this one and I'm really not sure how Saul shows up for work on Wednesday. We can't lose this one at home can we???? And this isn't me calling for a dismissal if he loses this one, that's not going to take place. I'm just saying it's going to be difficult for Saul to pull into that Convo parking spot on Wednesday if he drops this game to WMU.

You are pathetic. Do you show up for work when you do not perform (as I am sure you do at times)? Don't understand your HATE for Saul. It's blanking game and he has more class than Groce did as a PERSON.
Hey Jerry- you know what is pathetic? I'll go ahead and fill you in. It is utterly pathetic that there are still apologists for what is going on in this program. Rec league basketball is game. When an individual gets paid $550k to manage a program and WIN games, its a little more than that. I'd have to guess that your stance is now the minority. Saul's lack of competence has nothing to do with John Groce, that ship has sailed.

However, since you brought him up- think back to a time when you thought a Groce team had no chance in a contest- hard pressed?

In closing Jerry, stop making excuses, call a spade a spade, and man up. If you'd like to watch a game, I understand there are several decent area high school teams that you can support.
Where is he being an apologist for Saul? Certainly not by sharing his opinion of Saul's class from his perspective.
Come on, feel like this is bait, but I'll take it. For the purpose of your clear as day question:


"It's a blanking game"- to quote Saul, err Jerry. The thing is, Saul gets paid to win blanking games.

Winning games matters in Division I sports, period. If one does not think winning matters at the Division one level and is satisfied with the quality of this program based on "class", I equate that to being an apologist.
Seems to me like you're reaching pretty far here just to argue with Jerry. Also, unless I'm mistaken, there is no place where there's a statement about satisfaction of the quality of the program from anyone in this thread named Jerry, or OU_country.

The only thing I see is his opinion on the quality of Saul's class, and the lack of satisfaction with #FearHastag's (nearly) daily post of complaints and derision towards Saul.

Fair enough. No desire to argue. I think you can hang your hat on class when the program is at a minimum competing. Our program is not. From my vantage point, Saul's schtick or class (as it seems to be confused with) comes off as a used car salesman's gimmick.

I was all in on him 5 years ago, and I am 100% out now.

My desire for this team is to compete. I do not expect annual championships, POY winners, or NCAA appearances. I do expect that this team is lead by an individual who can consistently prepare in an effort to compete. This includes when players are injured or otherwise. Having the foresight to develop depth, recruit athletes and understand one's competition are requirements of this leadership position. Based on the previous three points I question who currently leads this team. "Class" does not determine a leader.

When an individual is paid $500k to lead a program, there should be no question when expecting results and the "it's a blanking game" excuse should never be uttered. I know more than a handful of fellas who'd probably take $250k, behave with "class", and fail to compete in just about as many games as our current leader.
So - I guess Townie won't be at the pep rally....so much for pep or rallies....

I'm still a fan and supporter of the team, coach, and school. This is the team and coach we have this year. We are still early into this year/season. I will drive 3 hrs round trip to be at the game. I will Stand Up and Cheer. This is a game thread - and all posts prior to game start I think best if play up the positive - "pep" - even if predict a loss. Where's the school spirit and "pep"?
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OU_Country
1/21/2019 11:51 PM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Lose this one and I'm really not sure how Saul shows up for work on Wednesday. We can't lose this one at home can we???? And this isn't me calling for a dismissal if he loses this one, that's not going to take place. I'm just saying it's going to be difficult for Saul to pull into that Convo parking spot on Wednesday if he drops this game to WMU.

You are pathetic. Do you show up for work when you do not perform (as I am sure you do at times)? Don't understand your HATE for Saul. It's blanking game and he has more class than Groce did as a PERSON.
Hey Jerry- you know what is pathetic? I'll go ahead and fill you in. It is utterly pathetic that there are still apologists for what is going on in this program. Rec league basketball is game. When an individual gets paid $550k to manage a program and WIN games, its a little more than that. I'd have to guess that your stance is now the minority. Saul's lack of competence has nothing to do with John Groce, that ship has sailed.

However, since you brought him up- think back to a time when you thought a Groce team had no chance in a contest- hard pressed?

In closing Jerry, stop making excuses, call a spade a spade, and man up. If you'd like to watch a game, I understand there are several decent area high school teams that you can support.
Where is he being an apologist for Saul? Certainly not by sharing his opinion of Saul's class from his perspective.
Come on, feel like this is bait, but I'll take it. For the purpose of your clear as day question:


"It's a blanking game"- to quote Saul, err Jerry. The thing is, Saul gets paid to win blanking games.

Winning games matters in Division I sports, period. If one does not think winning matters at the Division one level and is satisfied with the quality of this program based on "class", I equate that to being an apologist.
Seems to me like you're reaching pretty far here just to argue with Jerry. Also, unless I'm mistaken, there is no place where there's a statement about satisfaction of the quality of the program from anyone in this thread named Jerry, or OU_country.

The only thing I see is his opinion on the quality of Saul's class, and the lack of satisfaction with #FearHastag's (nearly) daily post of complaints and derision towards Saul.

Fair enough. No desire to argue. I think you can hang your hat on class when the program is at a minimum competing. Our program is not. From my vantage point, Saul's schtick or class (as it seems to be confused with) comes off as a used car salesman's gimmick.

I was all in on him 5 years ago, and I am 100% out now.

My desire for this team is to compete. I do not expect annual championships, POY winners, or NCAA appearances. I do expect that this team is lead by an individual who can consistently prepare in an effort to compete. This includes when players are injured or otherwise. Having the foresight to develop depth, recruit athletes and understand one's competition are requirements of this leadership position. Based on the previous three points I question who currently leads this team. "Class" does not determine a leader.

When an individual is paid $500k to lead a program, there should be no question when expecting results and the "it's a blanking game" excuse should never be uttered. I know more than a handful of fellas who'd probably take $250k, behave with "class", and fail to compete in just about as many games as our current leader.
So - I guess Townie won't be at the pep rally....so much for pep or rallies....

I'm still a fan and supporter of the team, coach, and school. This is the team and coach we have this year. We are still early into this year/season. I will drive 3 hrs round trip to be at the game. I will Stand Up and Cheer. This is a game thread - and all posts prior to game start I think best if play up the positive - "pep" - even if predict a loss. Where's the school spirit and "pep"?
Apparently Townie and Fearhashtag missed your memo. See ya Saturday in the roundhouse.
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71 BOBCAT
1/22/2019 8:21 AM
Based on the Western record and this is a home game I would expect a victory. This expectation is despite my feeling that we need a coaching change.





GO BOBCATS
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SBH
1/22/2019 9:22 AM
Hadn't realized how bad it had gotten for WMU. According to today's Messenger article from Arkley, they have lost "eight of their last five games."

Does anyone edit this newspaper? Been astonished by the increased typos and other mistakes in Arkley's work the past several months.
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mcbin
1/22/2019 9:30 AM
Anyone been down 33 this morning for a road report? Most of the roads here in Columbus are still sort of iffy.
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bobcatpaul
1/22/2019 10:44 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Hadn't realized how bad it had gotten for WMU. According to today's Messenger article from Arkley, they have lost "eight of their last five games."
Wow, 8 losses in 5 games. And we've been b*tching about Saul! :-)

I hope to see Jay Preston back in the lineup tonight. In my uneducated opinion, the dude makes us better.

Go Cats!
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BillyTheCat
1/22/2019 12:03 PM
It's January, nothing is going to happen at this time (IMO), Saul is a great guy, he's working hard, the kids have so far played with solid effort. Let's just enjoy the game and worry about the rest when the time comes.

Go Cats!
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Ohio Pilot
1/22/2019 12:38 PM
mcbin wrote:expand_more
Anyone been down 33 this morning for a road report? Most of the roads here in Columbus are still sort of iffy.
I Drove to Athens from Columbus Sunday afternoon and 33 was pretty good. I would assume by now its completely clear.
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GoCats105
1/22/2019 12:46 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
It's January, nothing is going to happen at this time (IMO), Saul is a great guy, he's working hard, the kids have so far played with solid effort. Let's just enjoy the game and worry about the rest when the time comes.

Go Cats!
Yes. More of this.
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mcbin
1/22/2019 4:16 PM
Ohio Pilot wrote:expand_more
Anyone been down 33 this morning for a road report? Most of the roads here in Columbus are still sort of iffy.
I Drove to Athens from Columbus Sunday afternoon and 33 was pretty good. I would assume by now its completely clear.
Thank you!
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GoCats105
1/22/2019 5:17 PM
Safe travels to all. Bring home a W.
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