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rpbobcat
2/20/2019 1:30 PM
Pitino's name came up in one of the other coaching threads.

At that time I posted that he had been on Mike Francsesa's radio show pushing his latest book.

I know he talks a good game,but he sounded sincere when he said that he didn't see himself back coaching in college.
Could be because, at that time,no one had asked him about coaching their program.

Even if he was sincere,a big enough contract could change his mind.

From the way he was talking,he seemed more interested in coaching in the NBA.

Guess we'll find out.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/20/2019 1:32 PM
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First off, who are you again?

Second, didn't you suggest Ohio as a jumping off point for the Sean Miller redemption tour? WTF. Also, you keep pimping Dustin Ford. I love the guy but he's not exactly a hot commodity based on wins and losses the past 6+ years. Also, didn't you throw out a Marquette Assistant as an option? So I'm an idiot saying Wojo should get a call from Ohio SEVEN years ago, but you are a bona fide genius thinking their Assistant will leave for Ohio now? Again, why I don't post anymore....

Third, if UNLV is a no go for Pitino, that tells me where the bar is set. He's not getting a better job than that. So what is just beneath UNLV and how far below THAT are we? Richmond? Is the gap that distinct? Also, everyone keeps jockeying about money. How do you know money is the driver for him at this stage in his career?

Grab one of these crap assistants, and my courtside seats will be un-purchased and un-used again - as will the other 10,000 seats that will have no ass marks in them the entire year. Time to make a splash and spark this thing....
I'm a guy who isn't so self-obsessed that I feel the need to publicly argue with my Alma mater's AD on Twitter. So I guess it makes sense you don't know who I am. Though, you know my post history awfully well to be asking who I am.

And the Sean Miller suggestion was tongue in cheek. I figured that was clear from the context, but I guess not. It was really a joke about how he's going to jail, or whatever.

And yes, we're pretty far below Richmond. Because of money, league, and market. And we're even further below UNLV. The gap is indeed that distinct.

But you know that already, being an expert in market dynamics and also the sort if rational thinker that gets in a very public, angry argument with the AD because a basketball game went poorly.
Last Edited: 2/20/2019 1:36:34 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/20/2019 1:42 PM
catfan28 wrote:expand_more
First off, who are you again?

Second, didn't you suggest Ohio as a jumping off point for the Sean Miller redemption tour? WTF. Also, you keep pimping Dustin Ford. I love the guy but he's not exactly a hot commodity based on wins and losses the past 6+ years. Also, didn't you throw out a Marquette Assistant as an option? So I'm an idiot saying Wojo should get a call from Ohio SEVEN years ago, but you are a bona fide genius thinking their Assistant will leave for Ohio now? Again, why I don't post anymore....

Third, if UNLV is a no go for Pitino, that tells me where the bar is set. He's not getting a better job than that. So what is just beneath UNLV and how far below THAT are we? Richmond? Is the gap that distinct? Also, everyone keeps jockeying about money. How do you know money is the driver for him at this stage in his career?

Grab one of these crap assistants, and my courtside seats will be un-purchased and un-used again - as will the other 10,000 seats that will have no ass marks in them the entire year. Time to make a splash and spark this thing....
It won't happen - but, I'm 100% with Love on at least making the attempt. Our program is as moribund as it's ever been right now. A splash hire - and this would certainly be one - is needed. It's time to blow the whole thing up and do something radical.

Nevertheless, I know enough about the players involved (Nellis, Schaus) to realize that the hire will likely be less than inspiring.
It's but clear to me why this hire needs to be so radical. What if instead of a radical hire, we just made a good hire?

I think hiring Pitino would be a cheap gimmick. We'd get attention for the wrong reasons, and the moment he had a hint of success -- and maybe even before that -- he'd be gone.

The next hire needs to be capable of building and fixing the damage of the last few years. Pitino is just a pathetic PR play; the odds that he stays to solve our problems are zero percent.

And that's putting aside that we cant afford him and he has no interest in being here.
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greencat
2/20/2019 3:00 PM
catfan28 wrote:expand_more
First off, who are you again?

Second, didn't you suggest Ohio as a jumping off point for the Sean Miller redemption tour? WTF. Also, you keep pimping Dustin Ford. I love the guy but he's not exactly a hot commodity based on wins and losses the past 6+ years. Also, didn't you throw out a Marquette Assistant as an option? So I'm an idiot saying Wojo should get a call from Ohio SEVEN years ago, but you are a bona fide genius thinking their Assistant will leave for Ohio now? Again, why I don't post anymore....

Third, if UNLV is a no go for Pitino, that tells me where the bar is set. He's not getting a better job than that. So what is just beneath UNLV and how far below THAT are we? Richmond? Is the gap that distinct? Also, everyone keeps jockeying about money. How do you know money is the driver for him at this stage in his career?

Grab one of these crap assistants, and my courtside seats will be un-purchased and un-used again - as will the other 10,000 seats that will have no ass marks in them the entire year. Time to make a splash and spark this thing....
It won't happen - but, I'm 100% with Love on at least making the attempt. Our program is as moribund as it's ever been right now. A splash hire - and this would certainly be one - is needed. It's time to blow the whole thing up and do something radical.

Nevertheless, I know enough about the players involved (Nellis, Schaus) to realize that the hire will likely be less than inspiring.
Andy Kennedy won 61% of his game at Ole Miss...a football school.
(and won 21 games his one year at Cincinnati)
He's doing color commentary for Fox Sports Southeast or ESPN-U now (?)

Among Kennedy's accomplishments at Ole Miss:

Ranks 18th in SEC history with 245 wins
One of only 23 coaches in history with 100 SEC regular season wins (only Ole Miss head coach to accomplish that feat)
Averaged more than 21 wins per season after the program posted only 21 or more wins three times in 96 years before his arrival
Fifth-most wins in SEC history by a coach in his 12 years in the league at one school
One of five coaches in SEC history to post at least nine 20-win seasons in first 11 years in the league, joining Billy Donovan, Joe B. Hall, Nolan Richardson, and Tubby Smith
Only coach in SEC history to post 11 consecutive winning seasons after taking over a program coming off four straight losing seasons
Six consecutive seasons of .500-or-better in SEC play (2012-2017) for the first time in program history
Nine 20-win seasons under Kennedy; Seven 20-win seasons in 96 years before his arrival
Eight postseason berths and 11 of the program's 20 all-time postseason wins
During his tenure, was one of just two teams in the SEC and 14 power conference programs in the nation to have 11 straight winning seasons
One of 20 programs in the country to finish in the RPI Top 100 for 11 consecutive seasons
Finished with a .500-or-better record against 10 SEC teams
Produced 12 all-league guards and 16 All-SEC selections
2013 SEC Tournament Champions
2 SEC West Division titles (2007, 2010)
2 NIT Final Four appearances
2-time SEC Coach of the Year
Holds 33 school records (16-team, 17 individual)
Tied the school record with 27 wins in 2013
Reached 100 wins faster than any coach in school history
Nationally ranked for a total of 18 weeks, rising as high as 14th
Produced the school's all-time leading rebounder, shot blocker, and 3-point FG shooter
Led the SEC in scoring (77.2 ppg) for the first time in school history in 2012-2013
In 2007-2008, set school records for longest winning streak and most wins to start a season
In 2006-2007, won the most games (21) by a first-year Rebel head coach and received SEC Coach of the Year honors

He won't be putting out any warm and fuzzy vibes like Saul.
That is not his style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxS-4gh20eY
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OU_Country
2/20/2019 3:22 PM
Love the Andy Kennedy idea!
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Kevin Finnegan
2/20/2019 3:33 PM
I feel like the message attempted here is that the thought of Pitino is radical. It's quite the opposite. It's the 'right-there' thought. He's a big name, we've all heard of him, we think he's maybe getable. This suggestion takes no originality. Looking at names who can be successful here off the beaten path (which is the direction we will likely go) is far more creative and powerful.

This is getting the cachet because of who posted it. It's a lazy suggestion. Plus, we still await to hear if/when Pitino will be hit with a show-cause penalty, which will keep him off the sidelines for additional time (https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/09/27/louisvil... ). Let's get serious with the suggestions.
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OhioCatFan
2/20/2019 3:41 PM
This is interesting. I always thought that Bobcat Love and his Sense of Shame were actually the same person, even though Shame would occasionally talk about a life history that was not that of BL's. Now, we have Love and Shame arguing. This means either that they are not the same person, or that we have a guy on here with multiple personalities who is literally talking with himself and arguing with himself. Betting odds on which is actually the case?
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Buck.Cat
2/20/2019 3:48 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
I'm a guy who isn't so self-obsessed that I feel the need to publicly argue with my Alma mater's AD on Twitter. So I guess it makes sense you don't know who I am. Though, you know my post history awfully well to be asking who I am.
You are just obsessed with another poster to the point of creating a handle named after him. Creep.
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Gman
2/20/2019 7:12 PM
Welcome back BobcatLove you have been missed, hope the family is doing well.
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cc-cat
2/20/2019 9:58 PM
finnOhio wrote:expand_more
I feel like the message attempted here is that the thought of Pitino is radical. It's quite the opposite. It's the 'right-there' thought. He's a big name, we've all heard of him, we think he's maybe getable. This suggestion takes no originality. Looking at names who can be successful here off the beaten path (which is the direction we will likely go) is far more creative and powerful.

This is getting the cachet because of who posted it. It's a lazy suggestion. Plus, we still await to hear if/when Pitino will be hit with a show-cause penalty, which will keep him off the sidelines for additional time (https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/09/27/louisvil... ). Let's get serious with the suggestions.
Spot on - another shoe can still drop - count me close minded, but I don't like to hire coaches still under investigation by the FBI and NCAA - then add in that the salary at UNLV is reported to be $2.5 million plus additional booster money and the odds of him humping a cheerleader on Court Street, or heading to a local eatery for 15 seconds of fun with a cougar, or having his coaches, players, recruits and their father's turning Read Hall into a brothel are even further reduced. But hey, maybe our new president who has shown little to no interest in the athletic department would be thrilled that this would be the first major move by the athletic department under his reign. - if so, then let's go all in and hire Art Briles to replace Frank and be done.
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rpbobcat
2/21/2019 9:07 AM
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But hey, maybe our new president who has shown little to no interest in the athletic department ...
Lets be fair here.

As far as I can tell,our new president hasn't shown much interest in pretty much anything.
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catfan28
2/21/2019 10:24 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Lets be fair here.

As far as I can tell,our new president hasn't shown much interest in pretty much anything.
Hah! Post of the month right here.

And sadly, very true.
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Bobcat Love
2/21/2019 11:40 AM
When you rob academic powerhouses like Texas Tech or New Mexico of their meekest and mediocre - I don't think you expect greatness to take hold.

The guy is an empty suit. I am not impressed.
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OhioCatFan
2/21/2019 11:46 AM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
When you rob academic powerhouses like Texas Tech or New Mexico of their meekest and mediocre - I don't think you expect greatness to take hold.

The guy is an empty suit. I am not impressed.

Well, we agree on something! ;-)
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greencat
2/21/2019 12:16 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Love the Andy Kennedy idea!
He's not a glad-handing baby-kisser. But the guy can coach some hoops.

As long as Ohio can pay more than whatever ESPN is giving him. And there's no messy buy-out BS. He's a free agent.

Is this guy a coach or what...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0j0AmrUv_0
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
2/21/2019 12:38 PM
catfan28 wrote:expand_more
Lets be fair here.

As far as I can tell,our new president hasn't shown much interest in pretty much anything.
Hah! Post of the month right here.

And sadly, very true.
The Jerry Gergich of college presidents.
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OU_Country
2/21/2019 12:48 PM
greencat wrote:expand_more
Love the Andy Kennedy idea!
He's not a glad-handing baby-kisser. But the guy can coach some hoops.

As long as Ohio can pay more than whatever ESPN is giving him. And there's no messy buy-out BS. He's a free agent.

Is this guy a coach or what...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0j0AmrUv_0
As I've stated several times, I'm also a UC Bearcats fan, because my dad is an alumnus. Kennedy, in the one year he was interim coach, did a phenomenal job with the situation he was placed in, which was NOT an easy one by any stretch.

More than anything, I think we can agree that whoever is hired needs to restore excitement to the fans a little, and restore credibility to the recruiting process quickly to get a few of those guys like Graves to come to Athens instead of UB or Akron. To restore excitement to fans, it can't be the assistant head coach at someplace most have never heard of, and it can't be someone that feels like a retread scenario (JC?). Dane Fife, Andy Kennedy - names that people who follow hoops have heard of, in my opinion, would make a difference. I have no clue if they can afford Kennedy or not, but to me names like that are worth the call. And maybe they've already been called.

The other thing that makes a difference with the next coaching staff, in my opinion, is style of play. And that is another reason Andy Kennedy is appealing to me. He would play a get after it style on defense like Huggins and Cronin teams at UC did, and like Groce teams did in his last 3 years. In my opinion, people in Ohio want to see aggressive, attacking type basketball, particularly on defense. The lack of that has always been my biggest complaint of Saul + staff. It's a reason I love watching and rooting for Cronin's teams. They noticeably get after it on D and on the glass almost all the time, and stake their success as a team on those two things even when they aren't making shots and scoring well. And as many of us know, good defense travels pretty well on the road, when getting the ball through the hoops is usually tougher.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
2/24/2019 12:40 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
This is interesting. I always thought that Bobcat Love and his Sense of Shame were actually the same person, even though Shame would occasionally talk about a life history that was not that of BL's. Now, we have Love and Shame arguing. This means either that they are not the same person, or that we have a guy on here with multiple personalities who is literally talking with himself and arguing with himself. Betting odds on which is actually the case?
Yeah, we're definitely two different people. This screen name was really just meant as a one-time joke way back when, and then I just sort of got sucked into posting more.

Honestly, I don't even really recall what prompted it. Off the top of my head, I think it was when Bobcat Love went on a rant after we lost to Kansas and basically called for Groce to get the boot despite his having beaten Georgetown in the tournament the year prior.
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2/24/2019 4:17 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
This is interesting. I always thought that Bobcat Love and his Sense of Shame were actually the same person, even though Shame would occasionally talk about a life history that was not that of BL's. Now, we have Love and Shame arguing. This means either that they are not the same person, or that we have a guy on here with multiple personalities who is literally talking with himself and arguing with himself. Betting odds on which is actually the case?
Yeah, we're definitely two different people. This screen name was really just meant as a one-time joke way back when, and then I just sort of got sucked into posting more.

Honestly, I don't even really recall what prompted it. Off the top of my head, I think it was when Bobcat Love went on a rant after we lost to Kansas and basically called for Groce to get the boot despite his having beaten Georgetown in the tournament the year prior.
OK, thanks for the clarification. Over the years, I've had PMs from several other BAers who thought you were one and the same person.
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BillyTheCat
2/24/2019 4:18 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
This is interesting. I always thought that Bobcat Love and his Sense of Shame were actually the same person, even though Shame would occasionally talk about a life history that was not that of BL's. Now, we have Love and Shame arguing. This means either that they are not the same person, or that we have a guy on here with multiple personalities who is literally talking with himself and arguing with himself. Betting odds on which is actually the case?
Yeah, we're definitely two different people. This screen name was really just meant as a one-time joke way back when, and then I just sort of got sucked into posting more.

Honestly, I don't even really recall what prompted it. Off the top of my head, I think it was when Bobcat Love went on a rant after we lost to Kansas and basically called for Groce to get the boot despite his having beaten Georgetown in the tournament the year prior.
OK, thanks for the clarification. Over the years, I've had PMs from several other BAers who thought you were one and the same person.
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mf279801
2/24/2019 9:11 PM
Pitino was great in Scent of a Woman and Godfather II, but I didn't really care for him in Any Given Sunday.
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bshot44
2/24/2019 10:56 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
To restore excitement to fans, it can't be the assistant head coach at someplace most have never heard of, and it can't be someone that feels like a retread scenario (JC?). Dane Fife, Andy Kennedy - names that people who follow hoops have heard of, in my opinion, would make a difference.
Think you're UC fandom is bleeding through a little here ;)

I'd be surprised if many fans know who Andy Kennedy is. You really have to be a pretty big college hoops fan to know him.

He spent one interim year at UC and then coached in relative obscurity at Ole Miss where most of OUr fanbase would lose a bet if you asked where he previously coached.

I don't think he's a bad choice at all ... but I think it contradicts your reasoning above. He's not really a known commodity ... but with some marketing/publicizing I could definitely see people potentially getting on board.
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OhioCatFan
2/25/2019 12:25 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
To restore excitement to fans, it can't be the assistant head coach at someplace most have never heard of, and it can't be someone that feels like a retread scenario (JC?). Dane Fife, Andy Kennedy - names that people who follow hoops have heard of, in my opinion, would make a difference.
Think you're UC fandom is bleeding through a little here ;)

I'd be surprised if many fans know who Andy Kennedy is. You really have to be a pretty big college hoops fan to know him.

He spent one interim year at UC and then coached in relative obscurity at Ole Miss where most of OUr fanbase would lose a bet if you asked where he previously coached.

I don't think he's a bad choice at all ... but I think it contradicts your reasoning above. He's not really a known commodity ... but with some marketing/publicizing I could definitely see people potentially getting on board.
Interesting commentary. Thanks.
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OUcats82
2/25/2019 8:59 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Love the Andy Kennedy idea!
He's not a glad-handing baby-kisser. But the guy can coach some hoops.

As long as Ohio can pay more than whatever ESPN is giving him. And there's no messy buy-out BS. He's a free agent.

Is this guy a coach or what...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0j0AmrUv_0
As I've stated several times, I'm also a UC Bearcats fan, because my dad is an alumnus. Kennedy, in the one year he was interim coach, did a phenomenal job with the situation he was placed in, which was NOT an easy one by any stretch.

More than anything, I think we can agree that whoever is hired needs to restore excitement to the fans a little, and restore credibility to the recruiting process quickly to get a few of those guys like Graves to come to Athens instead of UB or Akron. To restore excitement to fans, it can't be the assistant head coach at someplace most have never heard of, and it can't be someone that feels like a retread scenario (JC?). Dane Fife, Andy Kennedy - names that people who follow hoops have heard of, in my opinion, would make a difference. I have no clue if they can afford Kennedy or not, but to me names like that are worth the call. And maybe they've already been called.

The other thing that makes a difference with the next coaching staff, in my opinion, is style of play. And that is another reason Andy Kennedy is appealing to me. He would play a get after it style on defense like Huggins and Cronin teams at UC did, and like Groce teams did in his last 3 years. In my opinion, people in Ohio want to see aggressive, attacking type basketball, particularly on defense. The lack of that has always been my biggest complaint of Saul + staff. It's a reason I love watching and rooting for Cronin's teams. They noticeably get after it on D and on the glass almost all the time, and stake their success as a team on those two things even when they aren't making shots and scoring well. And as many of us know, good defense travels pretty well on the road, when getting the ball through the hoops is usually tougher.
Plus UC was still in the Big East at this time, so he has coached in two high-major conferences. Certainly are worse options out there.
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2/25/2019 10:15 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
To restore excitement to fans, it can't be the assistant head coach at someplace most have never heard of, and it can't be someone that feels like a retread scenario (JC?). Dane Fife, Andy Kennedy - names that people who follow hoops have heard of, in my opinion, would make a difference.
Think you're UC fandom is bleeding through a little here ;)

I'd be surprised if many fans know who Andy Kennedy is. You really have to be a pretty big college hoops fan to know him.

He spent one interim year at UC and then coached in relative obscurity at Ole Miss where most of OUr fanbase would lose a bet if you asked where he previously coached.

I don't think he's a bad choice at all ... but I think it contradicts your reasoning above. He's not really a known commodity ... but with some marketing/publicizing I could definitely see people potentially getting on board.
All the average student/townie/alum needs to know is
"12 years coaching in the SEC"
(with a winning record)

Because they have all heard of Kentucky, Florida, LSU, etc.
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