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Posted: 3/12/2019 1:32 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/us/college-admissions-...

This could get pretty ugly. Putting it here because part of it is college coaches falsifying admissions applications to include athletic accomplishments that students never earned.
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Posted: 3/12/2019 2:05 PM
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I'm glad they used the word fraud, because that's what this is. They're only doing the students a disservice by sending unqualified applicants to rigorous schools.

Some here know I used to work in our admissions office. One spring I was on a panel at a high school in Cleveland speaking to parents and students. With me were reps from Miami, OSU, and Cleveland State. A mom asked us an application question and began it with "I'm filling out my son's application and...." . I was the last to weigh in on her question but the only one to tell her that technically, what she was doing was fraud.
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Posted: 3/12/2019 2:19 PM
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. . . I was the last to weigh in on her question but the only one to tell her that technically, what she was doing was fraud.
Bully for you! I once served on the admissions committee at the medical school, and one has to have accurate information to make rational decisions.
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Posted: 3/12/2019 2:27 PM
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2019/03/12/pe... /

This came out over the weekend here in Boston. Not directly related to the feds case. Came out during a Medicare fraud trial.
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Posted: 3/12/2019 2:58 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/us/college-admissions-...

This could get pretty ugly. Putting it here because part of it is college coaches falsifying admissions applications to include athletic accomplishments that students never earned.
Certainly didn't benefit Wake's basketball team.

Manning is on a scolding hot seat.

But the neurology/neurosurgery dept. at Wake's medical center is really good.
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Posted: 3/12/2019 4:25 PM
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Not many things shock me in news headlines anymore.

"Aunt Becky Indicted" is still one of those things.
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Posted: 3/12/2019 6:54 PM
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This portion of an older generation really teaching their kids to be great people.

"Hey if you don't like where you're at in life, just BUY your way in or FORCE your way in, no matter the means. It will be fine!"

If I were these schools and some of these kids have graduated, I would revoke their degrees. I know it wasn't the kids' fault necessarily, but they should bare some responsibility, right?
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Posted: 3/12/2019 7:23 PM
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Sad to see some coaches involved in this scandal. Now every minor sport who has a kid involved that doesn't seem very athletically gifted is going to viewed with suspicion. I see the sport of crew was involved at USC? I have had neighbors involved in this sport and it always seemed like they were travelling all over God's green acre on the weekends to compete in some regional competition 4, 6 or 8 hours away. Never mind the kids, I bet their parents would try to wring the necks of those involved after their kids spent years on that grueling schedule, while these fake athletes got scholarships.

The whole admission process, not to mention the cost is so ridiculous and now we throw in this element. One day something will break the camel's back and the whole crazy system will come crashing down. Who knows something like this could do it. One only need look at the media attention--leading the various network and cable nightly news broadcasts to understand how this hits a nerve with everyone, especially those of us who are parents of schools age kids.
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Posted: 3/12/2019 8:13 PM
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If I'm understanding this scandal correctly, it seems like the majority of these instances essentially involved bribing coaches to ask for admissions lenience under the guise that the students in question were athletes. NCAA athletics really seems rotten to it's core at this point.

By the way, remember when someone here doubted that Harvard is a better job than Ohio because academics made it hard to get kids in? If the Stanford Sailing Club gets shitty students accepted, Harvard basketball has no problems at all.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 6:52 AM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
If I were these schools and some of these kids have graduated, I would revoke their degrees. I know it wasn't the kids' fault necessarily, but they should bare some responsibility, right?
Regardless of how a kid got in,if they satisfied their degree requirements,I don't know if you could revoke their degree.

That being said,given what the parents did to get them in,I would look long and hard at whether the parents played any "hanky-panky" with classes,"tutors" etc. while they were in school.
After all,what good is getting in,without a degree ?

I do think any of these kids,still, in college,should be expelled.

What was really upsetting was Lori Loughlin's daughter's You-Tube video talking about not wanting to go to college for an education,but instead for the "game day experience" and "partying".

Most of the legal experts who I've heard,expect the Justice Department to look for some jail time.
They feel that these people have enough money that a fine or probation wouldn't mean anything.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 9:23 AM
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Aunt Becky really let me down here-I looked up to her as one of my favorite TV aunt's moms. = (

Lynnette Scavo, too! I couldn't decide between her and Gabby Solis but thought she was the more solid, steady motherly type, while Gabby would be lots of fun.

Sad thing is, how much more of this has gone/is going on and you just don't know about it.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 9:40 AM
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2019/03/12/pe... /

This came out over the weekend here in Boston. Not directly related to the feds case. Came out during a Medicare fraud trial.
That was the strangest part. The feds were investigating a healthcare exec for Medicare fraud and caught him bribing the Penn coach. What a two-fer.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 9:47 AM
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Was just listening to a news story about this.

According to the report,this involved a powered lawyer in NYC as well as several high end finance people.

I did a quick Google search.
There are lot of "biggies" on the list of defendants.

Looks like the majority are people in Ca.

One legal commentator said the lawyer had a very good chance of being disbarred.
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It is interesting when you see the panic of wealthy/successful people as they realize their children may not be as fortunate.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 9:07 PM
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Funny thing is, if the kids HAD been athletes and got in because of SAT/ACT fraud, the NCAA would have declared them ineligible, their teams would have forfeited wins, and the schools likely would get probation or worse. As it is, the NCAA probably doesn't have any role in all this.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 9:35 PM
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Funny thing is, if the kids HAD been athletes and got in because of SAT/ACT fraud, the NCAA would have declared them ineligible, their teams would have forfeited wins, and the schools likely would get probation or worse. As it is, the NCAA probably doesn't have any role in all this.
Probably not, but I wonder if a nexus could be found, since they were faux athletes and that was the part of the university they leveraged to get admitted.
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Posted: 3/13/2019 9:50 PM
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The NCAA should NOT have any role in this*! The universities mentioned are victims in the case as I've read about it in the press (in that they were denied the honest services of their employees as a result of the bribes).





*Other than giving meaningless** show cause penalties to the coaches involved.

** I say meaningless because they're going to be radioactive whether they have a show cause or not.
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Posted: 3/14/2019 6:58 AM
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This morning I heard a radio commentator actually defending these people.

He said "You do anything you can for your kids.These people were just able to do more".

Then his co-host raised the issue of the cheating on the SAT.
The response "Haven't you ever cheated on a test ?"

Also,heard this morning that,before the story broke, one of Lori Loghlin's daughters was spending her Spring break in the Bahamas on one of USC's Board of Trustees' yacht.
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
This morning I heard a radio commentator actually defending these people.

He said "You do anything you can for your kids.These people were just able to do more".

Then his co-host raised the issue of the cheating on the SAT.
The response "Haven't you ever cheated on a test ?"

Also,heard this morning that,before the story broke, one of Lori Loghlin's daughters was spending her Spring break in the Bahamas on one of USC's Board of Trustees' yacht.
And the family thought it was a good idea the daughter get off the boat and come home...ya think?
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Posted: 3/14/2019 8:07 AM
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rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
This morning I heard a radio commentator actually defending these people.

He said "You do anything you can for your kids.These people were just able to do more".

Then his co-host raised the issue of the cheating on the SAT.
The response "Haven't you ever cheated on a test ?"

Also,heard this morning that,before the story broke, one of Lori Loghlin's daughters was spending her Spring break in the Bahamas on one of USC's Board of Trustees' yacht.
There truly does exist a different world for the famous and their kids.
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Posted: 3/17/2019 2:05 PM
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Saw an article this morning that said that the parents of some the kids involved in the admissions scandal had them classified as "developmentally disabled" to get them more time to take standardized tests including the SAT and ACT.

They were also talking about this this morning on one of the sports radio stations.

Apparently,a number of female athletes at schools where their coaches were involved in the scandal,Yale female soccer was mentioned a couple of times,openly questioned how some less talented players were able to make the team,when others didn't.
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Posted: 3/17/2019 2:34 PM
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Not many things shock me in news headlines anymore.

"Aunt Becky Indicted" is still one of those things.
More shocking:

This scandal

or

Realizing Aunt Becky had a cool 500k laying around to participate

Edit to add:

It’s going to get very interesting over the next few months...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/us/college-admissions-sche...
Last Edited: 3/17/2019 2:36:38 PM by OrlandoCat
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Realizing Aunt Becky had a cool 500k laying around to participate
Residuals from reruns can be quite lucrative, depending on the contract and actor involved.
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Posted: 3/17/2019 4:20 PM
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Why wasn't it as believable back then? It seems to me all the current situation shows -- admissions scandal and FBI investigations -- is that corruption in and of colleges is more widespread than we might have thought.
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