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Topic: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.
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GoCats105
2/27/2019 11:54 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Except for the Buffalo game, the team has played much better over the last four games. They're much more competitive and are at least staying close until late in the game. And against better competition. It's coincided with Preston moving to the starting five.
I'm really starting to jump on the Preston bandwagon and thinking he may be a future star in this league. As a team, we played a very good offensive game last night... so good that I wondered who the hell those guys were. We're competing, but we need to win a couple more to have any confidence going into the tourney. I think the shot selection has been excellent, but it certainly looks that way when they go in versus the clang clang clang that we experienced the entire first half of the mac schedule.

This loss, combined with Miami's win over BG pretty much seals our fate as a road team in round 1.
Preston's line last night:

11 pts, 8 rebs, 8 assts, 0 TOs, 4/5 from the FT line.

And it makes TK look A LOT more efficient

11 pts (5/11 fg), 4 rebs, 3 assts, 3 TOs
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OUcats82
2/27/2019 12:23 PM
I know Russ is in Charlotte covering the CIAA Tournament. I assume that he is ultimately an employee of IMG College and he goes wherever he is assigned?

Just found it interesting that he is working a different post while the Ohio season is still in action.
Last Edited: 2/27/2019 12:23:22 PM by OUcats82
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
2/27/2019 2:37 PM
I'm usually one of those people who will take talent over polish in college basketball, but this Preston/Kirk situation is one of those where upside needs to take a back seat. The team was so careless with the ball for so long and it hamstrung the team so much that it simply needed someone who does everything solidly.

Reminds me of those years where Mike Allen was able to step in and just run the show without any frills.
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UpSan Bobcat
2/27/2019 2:50 PM
OUcats82 wrote:expand_more
I know Russ is in Charlotte covering the CIAA Tournament. I assume that he is ultimately an employee of IMG College and he goes wherever he is assigned?

Just found it interesting that he is working a different post while the Ohio season is still in action.
I'm not sure but it's probably a case where they needed someone to do it and he was interested in doing something different for a little bit.
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GroverBall
2/27/2019 3:18 PM
For those who complain this staff can't recruit, did anyone read the Arkley article on Preston? Despite an unremarkable, and personally difficult, high school basketball career, our staff recognized Jason could play.
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OhioCatFan
2/27/2019 11:38 PM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
For those who complain this staff can't recruit, did anyone read the Arkley article on Preston? Despite an unremarkable, and personally difficult, high school basketball career, our staff recognized Jason could play.
+1 Exactly.

I was thinking about this "talent deficit" issue while at the women's game this evening. If I looked at this game alone, I would have concluded that Buffalo was just much more talented than Ohio, but the fact that we beat them in OT at their place earlier in the season means this is not true at all. What I'm trying to say is that the "eye test" on athleticism may not be all that accurate when coming from the average fan or poster on BA. Those who keep claiming that our men's team is like D3 talent may not know what they are talking about. Against teams in the pre-conference period -- and against BG and KSU more recently -- the "athleticism" seemed much better than during our long losing streak. Of course, it actually wasn't. For instance, the much-maligned TK, our beloved turnover king, is a pretty athletic guy. Look at the way he can drive to the hoop and get around much taller guys. He had one play against Kent where he pivoted about six different ways and then split two defenders for a layup. He may not be a point guard, and he may throw the ball away way too much, put the guy does have a lot of athleticism. In conclusion, I don't think our problem this year is primarily one of athleticism, but more one of execution, confidence, chemistry, key injuries, etc.
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Recovering Journalist
2/28/2019 8:09 AM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
For those who complain this staff can't recruit, did anyone read the Arkley article on Preston? Despite an unremarkable, and personally difficult, high school basketball career, our staff recognized Jason could play.
Few of us who grouse about recruiting issue blanket condemnations. We have some good players. We should have a lot of good players and a couple great ones all the time, and we don't.

My issue with recruiting is that we don't have nearly enough good and great players. Two of our last three truly dominant players - Campbell and Ndour - were brought in by Jim Christian. The other chose riding the pine in Ann Arbor over starring here (Saul gambled and lost when he didn't see that coming). Many of our guys who start or play big minutes are at best bench talent in the top of the MAC. We have had far too many situations where a kid is not at all ready for D1 basketball. We've had too many kids show early promise only to plateau for years - no development. In the meantime, the MAC keeps getting better and we keep falling behind. If you can't see that then your green-tinted glasses prescription may be too strong.
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SBH
2/28/2019 11:29 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
For those who complain this staff can't recruit, did anyone read the Arkley article on Preston? Despite an unremarkable, and personally difficult, high school basketball career, our staff recognized Jason could play.
+1 Exactly.

I was thinking about this "talent deficit" issue while at the women's game this evening. If I looked at this game alone, I would have concluded that Buffalo was just much more talented than Ohio, but the fact that we beat them in OT at their place earlier in the season means this is not true at all. What I'm trying to say is that the "eye test" on athleticism may not be all that accurate when coming from the average fan or poster on BA. Those who keep claiming that our men's team is like D3 talent may not know what they are talking about. Against teams in the pre-conference period -- and against BG and KSU more recently -- the "athleticism" seemed much better than during our long losing streak. Of course, it actually wasn't. For instance, the much-maligned TK, our beloved turnover king, is a pretty athletic guy. Look at the way he can drive to the hoop and get around much taller guys. He had one play against Kent where he pivoted about six different ways and then split two defenders for a layup. He may not be a point guard, and he may throw the ball away way too much, put the guy does have a lot of athleticism. In conclusion, I don't think our problem this year is primarily one of athleticism, but more one of execution, confidence, chemistry, key injuries, etc.
If you don't think we have an across-the-board deficit in athleticism vs. teams like Buffalo, Toledo, Akron, Kent and EMU, then you aren't watching. Or, in your words, "it's not dementia; it's a lack of attention."
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OhioCatFan
2/28/2019 12:24 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
For those who complain this staff can't recruit, did anyone read the Arkley article on Preston? Despite an unremarkable, and personally difficult, high school basketball career, our staff recognized Jason could play.
+1 Exactly.

I was thinking about this "talent deficit" issue while at the women's game this evening. If I looked at this game alone, I would have concluded that Buffalo was just much more talented than Ohio, but the fact that we beat them in OT at their place earlier in the season means this is not true at all. What I'm trying to say is that the "eye test" on athleticism may not be all that accurate when coming from the average fan or poster on BA. Those who keep claiming that our men's team is like D3 talent may not know what they are talking about. Against teams in the pre-conference period -- and against BG and KSU more recently -- the "athleticism" seemed much better than during our long losing streak. Of course, it actually wasn't. For instance, the much-maligned TK, our beloved turnover king, is a pretty athletic guy. Look at the way he can drive to the hoop and get around much taller guys. He had one play against Kent where he pivoted about six different ways and then split two defenders for a layup. He may not be a point guard, and he may throw the ball away way too much, put the guy does have a lot of athleticism. In conclusion, I don't think our problem this year is primarily one of athleticism, but more one of execution, confidence, chemistry, key injuries, etc.
If you don't think we have an across-the-board deficit in athleticism vs. teams like Buffalo, Toledo, Akron, Kent and EMU, then you aren't watching. Or, in your words, "it's not dementia; it's a lack of attention."
Thank you! ;-)
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BillyTheCat
3/2/2019 9:03 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
For those who complain this staff can't recruit, did anyone read the Arkley article on Preston? Despite an unremarkable, and personally difficult, high school basketball career, our staff recognized Jason could play.
+1 Exactly.

I was thinking about this "talent deficit" issue while at the women's game this evening. If I looked at this game alone, I would have concluded that Buffalo was just much more talented than Ohio, but the fact that we beat them in OT at their place earlier in the season means this is not true at all. What I'm trying to say is that the "eye test" on athleticism may not be all that accurate when coming from the average fan or poster on BA. Those who keep claiming that our men's team is like D3 talent may not know what they are talking about. Against teams in the pre-conference period -- and against BG and KSU more recently -- the "athleticism" seemed much better than during our long losing streak. Of course, it actually wasn't. For instance, the much-maligned TK, our beloved turnover king, is a pretty athletic guy. Look at the way he can drive to the hoop and get around much taller guys. He had one play against Kent where he pivoted about six different ways and then split two defenders for a layup. He may not be a point guard, and he may throw the ball away way too much, put the guy does have a lot of athleticism. In conclusion, I don't think our problem this year is primarily one of athleticism, but more one of execution, confidence, chemistry, key injuries, etc.
If you don't think we have an across-the-board deficit in athleticism vs. teams like Buffalo, Toledo, Akron, Kent and EMU, then you aren't watching. Or, in your words, "it's not dementia; it's a lack of attention."
+1 SBH, the mental gymnastics is staggering on the talent issue.

OCF as for the Women, Buffalo is longer and more athletic than we are, have been for several years the fact you can not notice things like that....well
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GroverBall
3/2/2019 12:20 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
For those who complain this staff can't recruit, did anyone read the Arkley article on Preston? Despite an unremarkable, and personally difficult, high school basketball career, our staff recognized Jason could play.
+1 Exactly.

I was thinking about this "talent deficit" issue while at the women's game this evening. If I looked at this game alone, I would have concluded that Buffalo was just much more talented than Ohio, but the fact that we beat them in OT at their place earlier in the season means this is not true at all. What I'm trying to say is that the "eye test" on athleticism may not be all that accurate when coming from the average fan or poster on BA. Those who keep claiming that our men's team is like D3 talent may not know what they are talking about. Against teams in the pre-conference period -- and against BG and KSU more recently -- the "athleticism" seemed much better than during our long losing streak. Of course, it actually wasn't. For instance, the much-maligned TK, our beloved turnover king, is a pretty athletic guy. Look at the way he can drive to the hoop and get around much taller guys. He had one play against Kent where he pivoted about six different ways and then split two defenders for a layup. He may not be a point guard, and he may throw the ball away way too much, put the guy does have a lot of athleticism. In conclusion, I don't think our problem this year is primarily one of athleticism, but more one of execution, confidence, chemistry, key injuries, etc.
If you don't think we have an across-the-board deficit in athleticism vs. teams like Buffalo, Toledo, Akron, Kent and EMU, then you aren't watching. Or, in your words, "it's not dementia; it's a lack of attention."
+1 SBH, the mental gymnastics is staggering on the talent issue.

OCF as for the Women, Buffalo is longer and more athletic than we are, have been for several years the fact you can not notice things like that....well
....well I for one can notice that our Women are 24-4 / 11-4 and the Bulls are 18-8 / 10-5 and we've split our heads-to-heads on the season. I'll take success over being "longer and more athletic."
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