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Topic: OT: Free Throws Should Be Easy. Why Do Basketball Players Miss?
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Posted: 4/1/2019 8:30 AM
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Posted: 4/2/2019 12:17 AM
Without reading the story link....

1. Lack of Practice - Just shoot more "practicing". "Practice makes perfect" (or at least better - pretty much a guaranteed result)
2. Fundamental shooting style that needs corrected. Sorta a "Well Duh"
3. Player lack of commitment to Improve (by more "practice", or listening to those who have expertise in how to "improve" - e.g. Shooting coaching/instructors..)
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Posted: 4/2/2019 8:35 AM
The Sundance Kid couldn't shoot standing still either.
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Posted: 4/2/2019 10:12 AM
Of course, there's the fatigue factor. A 6'1" player who was just hammered by a 6'10", 275-pounder is going need some time to shake that off. And taller players have a worse angle to shoot from and thus a smaller target to aim at. Tacko Fall is a lousy FT shooter.
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Posted: 4/2/2019 9:25 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Of course, there's the fatigue factor. A 6'1" player who was just hammered by a 6'10", 275-pounder is going need some time to shake that off. And taller players have a worse angle to shoot from and thus a smaller target to aim at. Tacko Fall is a lousy FT shooter.
The angle is a new one. Why do taller players have a worse angle? If that is true what it the optimal height? Why is there a smaller angle? Tako Fall, Never Nervous Pervis and Shaq are all tall and are really bad FT shooters but I am trying to figure out the Physics of your postulation. Do you think it is smarter to go full Bill Veeck and get short people for the last minute of a ball game?
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Posted: 4/2/2019 9:59 PM
To me, FT shooting is like putting. It's mostly between your ears.
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Posted: 4/3/2019 11:12 AM
longtiimelurker wrote:expand_more
Of course, there's the fatigue factor. A 6'1" player who was just hammered by a 6'10", 275-pounder is going need some time to shake that off. And taller players have a worse angle to shoot from and thus a smaller target to aim at. Tacko Fall is a lousy FT shooter.
The angle is a new one. Why do taller players have a worse angle? If that is true what it the optimal height? Why is there a smaller angle? Tako Fall, Never Nervous Pervis and Shaq are all tall and are really bad FT shooters but I am trying to figure out the Physics of your postulation. Do you think it is smarter to go full Bill Veeck and get short people for the last minute of a ball game?
It's a problem of perspective or maybe depth perception. Shorter people see more of an angle between the front of the rim and the back, so they see more of the opening in the rim. The taller someone is, there's less of an angle between the back and front of the rim so the opening they see gets smaller. It gives them less of a target to shoot at. If they're tall enough, all they see is rim, but no opening.

No, I wouldn't want a team of Eddie Gaedels on the floor. Taller guys just need to find a way to compensate for the worse angle. It might be better for taller guys to aim for a spot on the backboard and bank it in.
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Posted: 4/3/2019 12:06 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
To me, FT shooting is like putting. It's mostly between your ears.
Any time I ever went to the FT line I always thought about the motions we went through in practice and visualized that. Easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.
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Posted: 4/3/2019 2:40 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
It's a problem of perspective or maybe depth perception. Shorter people see more of an angle between the front of the rim and the back, so they see more of the opening in the rim. The taller someone is, there's less of an angle between the back and front of the rim so the opening they see gets smaller. It gives them less of a target to shoot at. If they're tall enough, all they see is rim, but no opening.

No, I wouldn't want a team of Eddie Gaedels on the floor. Taller guys just need to find a way to compensate for the worse angle. It might be better for taller guys to aim for a spot on the backboard and bank it in.
There are plenty of 7-footers that are good free throw shooters. I think it has more to do with practicing with a good shooting motion than it does height. The younger you get good coaching the better you will be down the line. But a lot of bigs just don't practice jump shots and free throws enough. Conversely, smaller players practice the shooting motion more because it has to be a part of their arsenal.
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Posted: 4/3/2019 3:47 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
It's a problem of perspective or maybe depth perception. Shorter people see more of an angle between the front of the rim and the back, so they see more of the opening in the rim. The taller someone is, there's less of an angle between the back and front of the rim so the opening they see gets smaller. It gives them less of a target to shoot at. If they're tall enough, all they see is rim, but no opening.

No, I wouldn't want a team of Eddie Gaedels on the floor. Taller guys just need to find a way to compensate for the worse angle. It might be better for taller guys to aim for a spot on the backboard and bank it in.
There are plenty of 7-footers that are good free throw shooters. I think it has more to do with practicing with a good shooting motion than it does height. The younger you get good coaching the better you will be down the line. But a lot of bigs just don't practice jump shots and free throws enough. Conversely, smaller players practice the shooting motion more because it has to be a part of their arsenal.
I think shooting free throws as an exceptionally tall person is maybe a little different but not necessarily harder. I think taller guys need a little extra arc based on the starting spot of the shot. A big reason big guys tend to shoot worse is lack of practice because shooting isn't emphasized as much for big guys. Also, the bigger a player is, the less skill that is necessary to be an effective player. A really high percentage of 7-foot-tall people are basketball players, so a fair share of them aren't going to be naturally good at shooting, whereas people at 6 foot tall almost have to be good shooters to separate themselves from everyone else.
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Posted: 4/3/2019 4:23 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
To me, FT shooting is like putting. It's mostly between your ears.
Being a former golf professional, I like your analogy, and as I used to teach my golf pupils: "I know you like to see the ball go far when you are on the range, and want to hit drivers all day long when you are practicing, but the statistics say that the top money earners on the tour are the players who get up and down and have the lowest putts per round."

Practicing chipping and putting can be boring as hell, just like practicing free throws, but there is no easier way to pad your stats than getting good at the easy, repetitive stuff. Free throws ain't sexy, but dunks and threes are, and that's where most idiots are going to spend their time.
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Posted: 4/3/2019 4:24 PM
D.A. wrote:expand_more
To me, FT shooting is like putting. It's mostly between your ears.
Being a former golf professional, I like your analogy, and as I used to teach my golf pupils: "I know you like to see the ball go far when you are on the range, and want to hit drivers all day long when you are practicing, but the statistics say that the top money earners on the tour are the players who get up and down and have the lowest putts per round."

Practicing chipping and putting can be boring as hell, just like practicing free throws, but there is no easier way to pad your stats than getting good at the easy, repetitive stuff. Free throws ain't sexy, but dunks and threes are, and that's where most idiots are going to spend their time.
Just an aside, I don't think practicing shooting 3-pointers makes you an idiot. Yes, you need to shoot free throws, but you can't exist in higher-level basketball without an outside shot. If we're talking really young players, yes, I agree.

Moving on...

I never understood why people were bored by practicing putting. I could spend hours and hours and hours on a practice green. I made up countless little games in my head on the practice green.

Hitting short irons or chipping for very long, on the other hand, bored me death.

Man, young players have it great now. Having an IPhone and headphones always at your side means music or podcasts to listen to while practicing your shot or your swing. There's really no excuse to not put the work in now.(I make the same argument about the weight room/workouts and even doing housework. It's so much easier to put that work in when you have reliable, always available entertainment to accompany it.) Hooking up your Walkman and hoping it didn't skip or fall or impede just wasn't much an option before.

I think of all those maladjusted tennis prodigies who would've been a little bit more normal if they could've at least listened to a podcast while slamming balls against a wall for 10,000 hours.
Last Edited: 4/3/2019 4:34:45 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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