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Posted: 3/26/2019 1:10 PM
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OK, he's out the door. Now let's fill his spot with someone who wants to be here.
My sentiments exactly!

Problem is, they all want to be here..until they don't.
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Posted: 3/26/2019 1:27 PM
There used to be time when getting an undergraduate degree put you head and tails over others in the job market. However, those days are long gone. Now you need at least a Master's Degree in order to compete, so hats off to a young man getting two heavily discounted degrees from respectable Universities these days. After all, have you seen what it costs to go to school in 2019? If Jason ends up getting a nice payday playing ball in Europe or the NBA after college, it will be all icing on the cake. Sorry guys, but the modern day warrior is merely a mercenary for hire. That's why we need to recruit athletes, who can contribute right away. Thanks to Jason for the two years that he did provide to us, but it wasn't enough to elevate Ohio over much of the competition in the MAC.
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Posted: 3/26/2019 1:53 PM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
There used to be time when getting an undergraduate degree put you head and tails over others in the job market. However, those days are long gone. Now you need at least a Master's Degree in order to compete, so hats off to a young man getting two heavily discounted degrees from respectable Universities these days. After all, have you seen what it costs to go to school in 2019? If Jason ends up getting a nice payday playing ball in Europe or the NBA after college, it will be all icing on the cake. Sorry guys, but the modern day warrior is merely a mercenary for hire. That's why we need to recruit athletes, who can contribute right away. Thanks to Jason for the two years that he did provide to us, but it wasn't enough to elevate Ohio over much of the competition in the MAC.
If that was indeed the end game for him and others .... than hats off! I ABSOLUTELY agree that college is incredibly expensive and if you can get not just an undergraduate ... but also a graduate degree on the cheap ... I'm all for it.

Sadly, I'm not sure that's what a lot of these guys are using this "loophole" for.

Do you really think Reid Travis couldn't get a good graduate degree from Stanford and had to go to Kentucky to get it?
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Posted: 3/26/2019 2:09 PM
I don't disagree with that statement, sir, and Mr. Carter is young enough and talented enough to continue to live the "Basketball Jones" style dream? However, he has got some work to do to become the next Larry Bird (or whoever he aspires to be) in the NBA, and should he fail to accomplish that, he will at least have cashed in on his early athleticism in a productive and clever way; thus making him the smart and resourceful Bobcat that we all know that he is.
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Posted: 3/26/2019 6:43 PM
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Playing against guys 2 inches taller, quicker, and more athletic than him every night in the Big East. Will be interesting.
He probably also won't be the main focus of the defense. Jason Carter will do fine at Xavier.
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Posted: 3/26/2019 9:02 PM
A bigger-picture issue that bums me out is how difficult it is for a mid-major to get good players and to KEEP them.

Certainly a coaching change can set you back years. Players transfer out, recruits de-commit, the new coach has to scrounge for recruit in April from the bottom of the barrel... and then you have to wait years for the new coach to get HIS guys and build HIS system. Think of our de-commits alone from the past seven years: Caris LeVert, Evan Bradds, Tariq Owens... (Didn't C.J. Massinburg commit to us for a minute too?)

Then, even if you get them on campus... if they're any good, they transfer or grad-transfer somewhere bigger. (Or get hurt: Campbell, Dartis.) The NCAA hardly seems to enforce its sit-out-a-year policy anymore. So why shouldn't a MAC player leave to chase the bright lights?

Credit Buffalo for putting something together where guys come and then stay. How many mid-majors reach the NCAA Tournament in successive seasons, let alone three? Very, very few.

It's hard to dream big anymore.
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Posted: 3/27/2019 7:38 AM
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A bigger-picture issue that bums me out is how difficult it is for a mid-major to get good players and to KEEP them.

Certainly a coaching change can set you back years. Players transfer out, recruits de-commit, the new coach has to scrounge for recruit in April from the bottom of the barrel... and then you have to wait years for the new coach to get HIS guys and build HIS system. Think of our de-commits alone from the past seven years: Caris LeVert, Evan Bradds, Tariq Owens... (Didn't C.J. Massinburg commit to us for a minute too?)

Then, even if you get them on campus... if they're any good, they transfer or grad-transfer somewhere bigger. (Or get hurt: Campbell, Dartis.) The NCAA hardly seems to enforce its sit-out-a-year policy anymore. So why shouldn't a MAC player leave to chase the bright lights?

Credit Buffalo for putting something together where guys come and then stay. How many mid-majors reach the NCAA Tournament in successive seasons, let alone three? Very, very few.

It's hard to dream big anymore.
While I agree that it's hard to keep players, especially given the grad transfer rules, I can't possibly speak negatively about a college basketball player getting his/her degree. Especially if he/she is getting it early. If Jason Carter can graduate in three years (and change), all I can say is congratulations. It took me longer to graduate from Ohio and I wasn't juggling basketball in there. As much as I dislike seeing players like Carter and Simmons leave, they came here and got their degree. They went to class and put in the effort off the court to graduate. I can never say that's a bad thing.
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Posted: 3/27/2019 7:40 AM
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Playing against guys 2 inches taller, quicker, and more athletic than him every night in the Big East. Will be interesting.
He probably also won't be the main focus of the defense. Jason Carter will do fine at Xavier.
I remember when another MAC big man transferred to X and had a pretty solid run there. Matt Stainbrook, anyone?
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Posted: 3/27/2019 8:15 AM
lovebobcat wrote:expand_more
A bigger-picture issue that bums me out is how difficult it is for a mid-major to get good players and to KEEP them.

Certainly a coaching change can set you back years. Players transfer out, recruits de-commit, the new coach has to scrounge for recruit in April from the bottom of the barrel... and then you have to wait years for the new coach to get HIS guys and build HIS system. Think of our de-commits alone from the past seven years: Caris LeVert, Evan Bradds, Tariq Owens... (Didn't C.J. Massinburg commit to us for a minute too?)

Then, even if you get them on campus... if they're any good, they transfer or grad-transfer somewhere bigger. (Or get hurt: Campbell, Dartis.) The NCAA hardly seems to enforce its sit-out-a-year policy anymore. So why shouldn't a MAC player leave to chase the bright lights?

Credit Buffalo for putting something together where guys come and then stay. How many mid-majors reach the NCAA Tournament in successive seasons, let alone three? Very, very few.

It's hard to dream big anymore.
A lot of this is true, but the big takeaway for me is that as redshirts, injury years and grad transfers get more common, coaches are more important than ever. Players don't choose programs so much as they choose coaches. And if good players don't feel they're getting what they need in terms of instruction, playing time, etc. they won't waste years of eligibility.

Oats is building something that players want to be around. It can be done in the MAC. Hopefully Boals can build something like it here.
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Posted: 3/27/2019 8:51 AM
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Playing against guys 2 inches taller, quicker, and more athletic than him every night in the Big East. Will be interesting.
He probably also won't be the main focus of the defense. Jason Carter will do fine at Xavier.
I remember when another MAC big man transferred to X and had a pretty solid run there. Matt Stainbrook, anyone?
Stainbrook was bigger and had more skills. Jason needs to develop wing skills if he wants to play proball. He has some athleticism and he can shoot sometimes. He needs to be a much better defender and he had to be able to put the ball on the floor. Xavier will use him, he will be depth, but his game will not evolve.
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Posted: 3/27/2019 9:12 AM
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Playing against guys 2 inches taller, quicker, and more athletic than him every night in the Big East. Will be interesting.
He probably also won't be the main focus of the defense. Jason Carter will do fine at Xavier.
I remember when another MAC big man transferred to X and had a pretty solid run there. Matt Stainbrook, anyone?
Stainbrook was bigger and had more skills. Jason needs to develop wing skills if he wants to play proball. He has some athleticism and he can shoot sometimes. He needs to be a much better defender and he had to be able to put the ball on the floor. Xavier will use him, he will be depth, but his game will not evolve.
Stainbrook was also out of shape when he got there and physically (if nothing else) evolved at X.
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Posted: 3/27/2019 9:48 AM
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... he specifically stated in an interview (can't recall the source at this moment) that he was looking to go somewhere to elevate his game and be challenged more, or something to that effect. He'll get that day in and day out at X.
I always find these kind of quotes a little bit laughable. Why can't he elevate his game at Ohio? What is stopping him? it wasn't like he was dominating lesser competition in the MAC. He was on the second worst team in the league? Why not elevate your play and accept the challenge of pulling Ohio out of the dumpster and into the top half of the league? He's a guy who topped 20 points in only three MAC games this year. I just don't see how that translates into a not being challenged enough?
What stopped him from elevating his game here? My guess: The guys handling the ball, and feeding him the ball. Honestly, this year, our healthy guards weren't all that good, and that's what separated Ohio from the top 5 in the MAC. Really good players want to play with, and against, really good players. Right? That wasn't the case this year on OUr fair little campus. Obviously that's what he wants, and he put in the academic work in 3 years to be able to do so and not have to sit. For that, I commend him.

I wish he wasn't leaving, because I think with the addition of a couple good guards, this squad could be back toward the top in Boal's first year. Without him, there's just another big spot to fill.
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Posted: 3/27/2019 10:54 AM
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... he specifically stated in an interview (can't recall the source at this moment) that he was looking to go somewhere to elevate his game and be challenged more, or something to that effect. He'll get that day in and day out at X.
I always find these kind of quotes a little bit laughable. Why can't he elevate his game at Ohio? What is stopping him? it wasn't like he was dominating lesser competition in the MAC. He was on the second worst team in the league? Why not elevate your play and accept the challenge of pulling Ohio out of the dumpster and into the top half of the league? He's a guy who topped 20 points in only three MAC games this year. I just don't see how that translates into a not being challenged enough?
What stopped him from elevating his game here? My guess: The guys handling the ball, and feeding him the ball. Honestly, this year, our healthy guards weren't all that good, and that's what separated Ohio from the top 5 in the MAC. Really good players want to play with, and against, really good players. Right? That wasn't the case this year on OUr fair little campus. Obviously that's what he wants, and he put in the academic work in 3 years to be able to do so and not have to sit. For that, I commend him.

I wish he wasn't leaving, because I think with the addition of a couple good guards, this squad could be back toward the top in Boal's first year. Without him, there's just another big spot to fill.
One thing that surprises me is that athletes, with all the practices, trips,meetings, etc. are able to complete degree requirements in 3 years. Good work.
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Posted: 3/27/2019 11:13 AM
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... he specifically stated in an interview (can't recall the source at this moment) that he was looking to go somewhere to elevate his game and be challenged more, or something to that effect. He'll get that day in and day out at X.
I always find these kind of quotes a little bit laughable. Why can't he elevate his game at Ohio? What is stopping him? it wasn't like he was dominating lesser competition in the MAC. He was on the second worst team in the league? Why not elevate your play and accept the challenge of pulling Ohio out of the dumpster and into the top half of the league? He's a guy who topped 20 points in only three MAC games this year. I just don't see how that translates into a not being challenged enough?
What stopped him from elevating his game here? My guess: The guys handling the ball, and feeding him the ball. Honestly, this year, our healthy guards weren't all that good, and that's what separated Ohio from the top 5 in the MAC. Really good players want to play with, and against, really good players. Right? That wasn't the case this year on OUr fair little campus. Obviously that's what he wants, and he put in the academic work in 3 years to be able to do so and not have to sit. For that, I commend him.

I wish he wasn't leaving, because I think with the addition of a couple good guards, this squad could be back toward the top in Boal's first year. Without him, there's just another big spot to fill.
One thing that surprises me is that athletes, with all the practices, trips,meetings, etc. are able to complete degree requirements in 3 years. Good work.
Summer classes usually help fill the gaps.
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Posted: 3/27/2019 12:26 PM
Additional feedback on Carter from the Xavier perspective:

"New XU transfer Jason Carter is a 6-8, 224-pound face-up forward that is mobile and agile. He can shoot the 3, make plays off the bounce, and score in the post. He should challenge for a starting spot immediately."

https://twitter.com/musketeerreport/status/11103896653858...
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Posted: 3/30/2019 12:57 PM
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Additional feedback on Carter from the Xavier perspective:

"New XU transfer Jason Carter is a 6-8, 224-pound face-up forward that is mobile and agile. He can shoot the 3, make plays off the bounce, and score in the post. He should challenge for a starting spot immediately."

https://twitter.com/musketeerreport/status/11103896653858...

I've read this a couple places now. Wonder what makes them mention "he can shoot the 3"? Did he even make 25 threes in his two full seasons here? When I think about his positives of having Carter on the team, 3 pointers isn't one of them.

He's a good player, and will be tough to replace, but anyone mentioning three pointers isn't doing much research IMO.
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Posted: 3/30/2019 3:06 PM
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Playing against guys 2 inches taller, quicker, and more athletic than him every night in the Big East. Will be interesting.
He probably also won't be the main focus of the defense. Jason Carter will do fine at Xavier.
I remember when another MAC big man transferred to X and had a pretty solid run there. Matt Stainbrook, anyone?
Stainbrook was bigger and had more skills. Jason needs to develop wing skills if he wants to play proball. He has some athleticism and he can shoot sometimes. He needs to be a much better defender and he had to be able to put the ball on the floor. Xavier will use him, he will be depth, but his game will not evolve.
All I can do is just shake my head at this opinion. Remember, you're the one who kept falsely claiming he only got one offer and that based on one 8-8 game in HS you thought he was a scrub. Remember, your hero Oats said Carter was the second best post man in the MAC after Perkins. Stainbrook had more skills? Ha, that will give me something to laugh about on a Saturday afternoon.
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Posted: 3/30/2019 4:43 PM
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Playing against guys 2 inches taller, quicker, and more athletic than him every night in the Big East. Will be interesting.
He probably also won't be the main focus of the defense. Jason Carter will do fine at Xavier.
I remember when another MAC big man transferred to X and had a pretty solid run there. Matt Stainbrook, anyone?
Stainbrook was bigger and had more skills. Jason needs to develop wing skills if he wants to play proball. He has some athleticism and he can shoot sometimes. He needs to be a much better defender and he had to be able to put the ball on the floor. Xavier will use him, he will be depth, but his game will not evolve.
All I can do is just shake my head at this opinion. Remember, you're the one who kept falsely claiming he only got one offer and that based on one 8-8 game in HS you thought he was a scrub. Remember, your hero Oats said Carter was the second best post man in the MAC after Perkins. Stainbrook had more skills? Ha, that will give me something to laugh about on a Saturday afternoon.

Oats is not my hero and Jason Carter was third team all MAC, meaning that he was wrong. Carter surpassed my expectations, that being said we still can’t go back and make it like he was a top 20 Ohio basketball player his senior year or make up offers for him, we did that with butler and when butler left all of his fake offerers were in the wind. I also believe that we don’t need to serenade him with praise on his way out. Stainbrook was two inches taller and he ended up making the all big east team and he also earned an nba tryout. Have a great weekend.
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Posted: 3/30/2019 5:56 PM
Allen, Stainbrook did that as a senior, correct? I think Jason has the potential to develop and improve his game like Stainbrook did. You said he wouldn't develop his game. I was just pointing out that you've always been skeptical of Carter's ability. You have a nice weekend too!
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Posted: 3/30/2019 6:08 PM
Allen you were correct that Buffalo got a much better deal in getting Graves while we got Butler. I tried to debate you that those two players were about the same. But....I think the recruiting offer lists were correct with schools like Murray St and Hofstra. It was after he got here that claims were made that he got a couple of high major offers and I have to agree with you that's doubtful.
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Posted: 3/30/2019 7:28 PM
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Allen you were correct that Buffalo got a much better deal in getting Graves while we got Butler. I tried to debate you that those two players were about the same. But....I think the recruiting offer lists were correct with schools like Murray St and Hofstra. It was after he got here that claims were made that he got a couple of high major offers and I have to agree with you that's doubtful.
I was wrong about JC, he ended up being pretty darn good.
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