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Buck.Cat
3/27/2019 6:58 PM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
With Alabama's budget he can recruit from anywhere he wants. You're not going to make the final four with a roster full players who grew up in Alabama anyway.
Jump on the school private jet and be anywhere you need in the country.
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FanInTheStands
3/27/2019 7:45 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
If Auburn and South Carolina can raise their game recently (SEC Championship, Final Four respectively), Alabama can too. I would argue that Alabama is a better basketball job than South Carolina and Auburn.
I see that the women's head coaching job at Tennessee has opened up and the head coach of Buffalo's women's team is being considered for that position. Could be a double hit for the Bulls this off-season.
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Mark Lembright '85
3/27/2019 8:34 PM
FanInTheStands wrote:expand_more
If Auburn and South Carolina can raise their game recently (SEC Championship, Final Four respectively), Alabama can too. I would argue that Alabama is a better basketball job than South Carolina and Auburn.
I see that the women's head coaching job at Tennessee has opened up and the head coach of Buffalo's women's team is being considered for that position. Could be a double hit for the Bulls this off-season.
And Ohio.
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left lane, hammer down
3/27/2019 10:24 PM
Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
With Alabama's budget he can recruit from anywhere he wants. You're not going to make the final four with a roster full players who grew up in Alabama anyway.
Jump on the school private jet and be anywhere you need in the country.

OU's coaches can jump on the universities turbo prop and do the same thing.
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left lane, hammer down
3/27/2019 10:26 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
If Auburn and South Carolina can raise their game recently (SEC Championship, Final Four respectively), Alabama can too. I would argue that Alabama is a better basketball job than South Carolina and Auburn.
I see that the women's head coaching job at Tennessee has opened up and the head coach of Buffalo's women's team is being considered for that position. Could be a double hit for the Bulls this off-season.
And Ohio.
^^^^^^^^

JS needs to step up big time to try to keep Bob Boldon here. No doubt in my mind he will get offers.
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ShoreCat
3/28/2019 7:04 AM
This situation is exactly why I have ZERO problem letting players transfer and being able to play immediately at a new school. The ink wasn't even dry on the extension that Oats signed at Buffalo and minutes later he's off for a higher-paying gig.

If there is zero loyalty for coaches, then we shouldn't expect the same out of players.

something, something, hypocrisy of NCAAA, broken system, something, something...pay the players...something...something....time for my 3rd cup of coffee.
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rpbobcat
3/28/2019 7:09 AM
Seems that,other then a buyout,coaches signing a contract extension,doesn't mean anyting.

Going O.T. for a second:
There was a story about on Real Sports last night about Manny Diaz.

Two things stuck out:

1.It seemed odd that Mark Richt didn't talk to Diaz about possibly retiring,
since,at the time he said there was a "great deal of thought,discussions with family and prayer".

2.He talked about how much he loved coming back to Miami as Head Coach.

But they didn't ask how he felt about what he did to Temple by leaving after 18 days.
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100%Cat
3/28/2019 8:03 AM
It's going to be real interesting to see who stays and who transfers from Buffalo with Oats leaving.
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rpbobcat
3/28/2019 8:17 AM
BayCat wrote:expand_more
This situation is exactly why I have ZERO problem letting players transfer and being able to play immediately at a new school. The ink wasn't even dry on the extension that Oats signed at Buffalo and minutes later he's off for a higher-paying gig.

If there is zero loyalty for coaches, then we shouldn't expect the same out of players.

something, something, hypocrisy of NCAAA, broken system, something, something...pay the players...something...something....time for my 3rd cup of coffee.
I don't like the idea of "unrestricted free agency" ,where someone could transfer to another school,and automatically be able to play.

That could create chaos,with schools "poaching" other school's players when they have an opening they need filled.

They would be able to use schools as quasi "farm teams".
Let a kid get a year or two of development,without using one of your own scholarships.
Then move him up,to the "Big Leagues".

I do think that if a team's coach leaves,for any reason,then the players should be able to transfer and play,without sitting for a year.
Last Edited: 3/28/2019 8:19:27 AM by rpbobcat
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71 BOBCAT
3/28/2019 8:29 AM
At the end of the day I give the AD @ Buffalo a lot of credit. I signed Oats to a new contract with a $750k buy out. With all the squeeze on athletic budgets these days this buy out is a Christmas gift for the UB. It's doubtful that they will pay their new coach what they were paying Oats. It could end up that the Oats buy out will fund about 2 years of the next coaches salary.
I would have to think that this large buy out requirement will become more prominent in Mid - Major programs.
I wonder what Boals buy out is?




GO BOBCATS
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Recovering Journalist
3/28/2019 8:43 AM
BayCat wrote:expand_more
This situation is exactly why I have ZERO problem letting players transfer and being able to play immediately at a new school. The ink wasn't even dry on the extension that Oats signed at Buffalo and minutes later he's off for a higher-paying gig.

If there is zero loyalty for coaches, then we shouldn't expect the same out of players.

something, something, hypocrisy of NCAAA, broken system, something, something...pay the players...something...something....time for my 3rd cup of coffee.
Players absolutely should be able to transfer immediately if a coach leaves. I don't think they should be able to transfer without sitting otherwise, however.

As for paying the players, with what? Student fees? Less than 30 athletic departments make money and there are 351 in DI alone. You think any of those 30 want to share their profits? I don't see Disney or Viacom or any other corporation wanting to eat in to their dwindling sports profits either. And even if they did, do you think there's enough to pay women equally? Any payment scheme will have to meet Title IX requirements. As soon as players are paid, this whole house of cards will start falling. You can argue whether that's good or bad but I think this thread has crept off track enough.

As to Oats, you cannot argue against this in any way. So what if Alabama is not a hoops school? He's making a mint and rewarding his staff. And all great coaches truly believe that they can win anywhere. He was well on his way to lapping the field in the MAC when he left. Why can't he win at Alabama?
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OUcats82
3/28/2019 8:49 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
this dosen,t seem real. I heard nate signed a contract to stay at ub. how much would Alabama pay? is,nt Alabama a football school.what souce is this coming from.
Apparently the buyout on that contract offered up no defense to him leaving.
I don't think they intended for it to prevent him leaving. Buffalo had to know suitors would come calling this year. Might as well get some coin from it. What's $750K to the University of Alabama anyway?
They probably spend more than $750K for Saban's Oatmeal Cream Pies each year. ;)
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OUcats82
3/28/2019 8:54 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
We'll see how it goes, I'm just glad he's out of the MAC!
^Something I've never understood.^

The MAC needs more Nate Oats, not fewer.
I want to agree with this, wholeheartedly.

However, what's good for Buffalo can ultimately be bad for Ohio. I'm all for moving barriers to the Bobcat's success. Unless, of course, Boals elevates the team to a level on par with what Buffalo has (and goes toe to toe with whoever is at the top).

Hence the conflict.
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100%Cat
3/28/2019 9:07 AM
OUcats82 wrote:expand_more
We'll see how it goes, I'm just glad he's out of the MAC!
^Something I've never understood.^

The MAC needs more Nate Oats, not fewer.
I want to agree with this, wholeheartedly.

However, what's good for Buffalo can ultimately be bad for Ohio. I'm all for moving barriers to the Bobcat's success. Unless, of course, Boals elevates the team to a level on par with what Buffalo has (and goes toe to toe with whoever is at the top).

Hence the conflict.
Exactly.
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Andrew Ruck
3/28/2019 9:23 AM
Buffalo was going to fall hard next year from a player personnel standpoint, so it is a smart move by Oats to get out at the peak. Now with Oats gone and presumably some players and recruits, it looks like Buffalo's fall could be epic.
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ShoreCat
3/28/2019 9:42 AM
my point about paying the players is simply that the NCAA is a billion dollar industry. Yes, there's huge differences between the revenue generated by some schools vs. others, i.e. Ohio State football vs. Eastern Michigan football, and I'm not smart enough to figure out how that should be divided. I used to think that a scholarship was sufficient for student-athletes. I now believe they deserve more.

I don't fault Oats for leaving, just like I didn't fault Groce for moving to Illinois. Ultimately, you have to look out for yourself, which is why I don't think players should be criticized for transferring and that they should have more freedom to do so. I also don't fault players for sitting out bowl games, nor would I have faulted Zion if he didn't step on the floor again this year for Duke. Let's make the playing field even for coaches and players.

Sorry to sound like a selfish bastard this morning but I really don't think the NCAA has the players best interests in mind. Do I believe some coaches do? Absolutely. I refer you to an earlier post about Saul on this message board.

Time for coffee #4.
Last Edited: 3/28/2019 9:44:41 AM by ShoreCat
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OU_Country
3/28/2019 11:46 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Buffalo was going to fall hard next year from a player personnel standpoint, so it is a smart move by Oats to get out at the peak. Now with Oats gone and presumably some players and recruits, it looks like Buffalo's fall could be epic.
Assuming they don't lose players (it's probably inevitable they'll lose some) they still have a lot of talent to work with.
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allen
3/28/2019 12:05 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Buffalo was going to fall hard next year from a player personnel standpoint, so it is a smart move by Oats to get out at the peak. Now with Oats gone and presumably some players and recruits, it looks like Buffalo's fall could be epic.
Assuming they don't lose players (it's probably inevitable they'll lose some) they still have a lot of talent to work with.
They certainly do have some talent returning along with two or three top 50 Juco’s coming in. I think that they should hire Ryan Hodgson based on today’s article posted on bobcatattack, he may provide them with the stability that they need to get through the storm.
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BobcatPride
3/28/2019 1:17 PM
I may be proven wrong, but at first blush this reminds me of Groce to Illinois. Some reasons as to why it might work out, but lots of history which says it won't.
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Buck.Cat
3/28/2019 2:50 PM
If Oats had stayed, Buffalo would have been the odds on favorite to win the MAC again with their returning and incoming players. With Oats gone, I think they will still contend. I'll never understand the idea of wanting the great teams to not continue to elevate the level of the league.
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colobobcat66
3/28/2019 3:56 PM
BobcatPride wrote:expand_more
I may be proven wrong, but at first blush this reminds me of Groce to Illinois. Some reasons as to why it might work out, but lots of history which says it won't.
Based on some radio time I just had, the fans in Alabama and the talking heads on Sirius are questioning Oaks hire. 4 years of college ball and following Hurley’s success doesn’t move the needle much for some folks. Will be interesting to follow this hire a few years.
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100%Cat
3/28/2019 3:57 PM
Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
If Oats had stayed, Buffalo would have been the odds on favorite to win the MAC again with their returning and incoming players. With Oats gone, I think they will still contend. I'll never understand the idea of wanting the great teams to not continue to elevate the level of the league.
How much has Gonzaga's dominance of the WCC improved the reputation of the WCC? Last time I checked, the consensus was the WCC was a 1-bid league this year had St Mary's not pulled the upset in the tournament.

If having the #1 team (for several weeks this year) in the country can't elevate your league...
Last Edited: 3/28/2019 3:58:21 PM by 100%Cat
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GoCats105
3/28/2019 4:11 PM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
If Oats had stayed, Buffalo would have been the odds on favorite to win the MAC again with their returning and incoming players. With Oats gone, I think they will still contend. I'll never understand the idea of wanting the great teams to not continue to elevate the level of the league.
How much has Gonzaga's dominance of the WCC improved the reputation of the WCC? Last time I checked, the consensus was the WCC was a 1-bid league this year had St Mary's not pulled the upset in the tournament.

If having the #1 team (for several weeks this year) in the country can't elevate your league...
Especially for a conference not competing in FBS level football.
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Recovering Journalist
3/28/2019 7:43 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
I may be proven wrong, but at first blush this reminds me of Groce to Illinois. Some reasons as to why it might work out, but lots of history which says it won't.
Based on some radio time I just had, the fans in Alabama and the talking heads on Sirius are questioning Oaks hire. 4 years of college ball and following Hurley’s success doesn’t move the needle much for some folks. Will be interesting to follow this hire a few years.
Bottom line: Oats doesn't care, and nor should he. Groce may have failed at Illinois, but he's still getting paid by them, and all of his assistants are richer. Oats is replacing a guy who made more than $3 million a year. Conservatively, he's tripling his Buffalo salary, and the contract means that money is his regardless of what some redneck say on talk radio -- and regardless of his results.
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brucecuth
3/29/2019 7:52 AM
Oates might not be the only departure. Their women's coach has interviewed for the Penn St job and is mentioned for Tennessee...
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