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Posted: 4/1/2019 1:12 PM
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I'm simply supporting this posts title of "Now the Real Work Begins--Recruiting" because if the season started tomorrow, this is who'd start because that's all we have/all JB is inheriting. And heavens no, I for sure nobody could in their worst nightmares envision that as being our core. But it's what JB has until he signs more guys and that's got cause some real stressful evenings of sleep, no matter how many times you've been through this process. That's the definition of being left an empty cupboard IMO.
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I posted this on the recruiting site as well....

If you think the roster SP inherited was a tough first year, what do you call potentially inheriting Murrell, Cowart, Preston, Springs, McMurray and Vander Plas. I'd assume that if the season began tomorrow, that's your starting 5 less the one signed freshman? What record would you give this squad?

Speaking of the real work of recruiting needing to start, start fast and being vital---huge task it appears!
Do you actually think Boals - a guy who coached at tOSU for 7 years - is going to have a couple of those guys be anything above scout team? The way some of the current roster was slouching around when Boals spoke to them on day one in that video? He should have cut a couple of them and taken their schollies on the spot.
Yeah that really sends the correct message.
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Posted: 4/1/2019 5:40 PM
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Chicken George wrote:expand_more
I'm simply supporting this posts title of "Now the Real Work Begins--Recruiting" because if the season started tomorrow, this is who'd start because that's all we have/all JB is inheriting. And heavens no, I for sure nobody could in their worst nightmares envision that as being our core. But it's what JB has until he signs more guys and that's got cause some real stressful evenings of sleep, no matter how many times you've been through this process. That's the definition of being left an empty cupboard IMO.
The fact that at least half of those players mentioned had no business being offered a basketball scholarship by OU definitely adds difficulty to rebuilding the program. I trust Boals and his staff's process.
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I'm simply supporting this posts title of "Now the Real Work Begins--Recruiting" because if the season started tomorrow, this is who'd start because that's all we have/all JB is inheriting. And heavens no, I for sure nobody could in their worst nightmares envision that as being our core. But it's what JB has until he signs more guys and that's got cause some real stressful evenings of sleep, no matter how many times you've been through this process. That's the definition of being left an empty cupboard IMO.
The fact that at least half of those players mentioned had no business being offered a basketball scholarship by OU definitely adds difficulty to rebuilding the program. I trust Boals and his staff's process.
Yep...the recruiting grid on the recruiting page is downright scary. Take Dartis and Kirk away as possible transfers and the cupboard ain't empty...it's obliterated. But I have no issue with tearing this whole thing down from start to finish. Boals has to do what he has to do. These next two years are about bringing MAC caliber players to this program again and competing in year three of the Boals era.
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FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I'm simply supporting this posts title of "Now the Real Work Begins--Recruiting" because if the season started tomorrow, this is who'd start because that's all we have/all JB is inheriting. And heavens no, I for sure nobody could in their worst nightmares envision that as being our core. But it's what JB has until he signs more guys and that's got cause some real stressful evenings of sleep, no matter how many times you've been through this process. That's the definition of being left an empty cupboard IMO.
The fact that at least half of those players mentioned had no business being offered a basketball scholarship by OU definitely adds difficulty to rebuilding the program. I trust Boals and his staff's process.
Yep...the recruiting grid on the recruiting page is downright scary. Take Dartis and Kirk away as possible transfers and the cupboard ain't empty...it's obliterated. But I have no issue with tearing this whole thing down from start to finish. Boals has to do what he has to do. These next two years are about bringing MAC caliber players to this program again and competing in year three of the Boals era.
Agree - Boal's Recruits - Make Boal's Destiny/Legacy
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I know some people don't like transfers with limited eligibility remaining coming in, but I'd like to see a transfer or two come in this year that might be able to bridge the gap and avoid really going into the tank next season. I expect a rough year next year, but winning 15 games would be easier on the stomach than winning 5. I'd take a rental or two that would keep some excitement with the program next year.
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I know some people don't like transfers with limited eligibility remaining coming in, but I'd like to see a transfer or two come in this year that might be able to bridge the gap and avoid really going into the tank next season. I expect a rough year next year, but winning 15 games would be easier on the stomach than winning 5. I'd take a rental or two that would keep some excitement with the program next year.
Agreed. Given that there are likely to be five, maybe six, scholarships available to the Boals staff, having 2-3 of them be play right away transfers that are a little more college basketball ready makes sense. Being able to offer major PT from the start would probably be a big help in recruiting right now.
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Yup. I'm all for making the next couple years palatable with a couple transfers.
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Posted: 4/2/2019 5:22 PM
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100%Cat wrote:expand_more
I know some people don't like transfers with limited eligibility remaining coming in, but I'd like to see a transfer or two come in this year that might be able to bridge the gap and avoid really going into the tank next season. I expect a rough year next year, but winning 15 games would be easier on the stomach than winning 5. I'd take a rental or two that would keep some excitement with the program next year.
Agreed.
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Posted: 4/15/2019 6:18 PM
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Well, so far so good. Excellent job by Boals & Company. Over delivering and we have not even gotten the bigs yet.

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Maybe we should've just hired you since you know sooo much. Boals will not do this. Nor could he. Nor should he.
Strike one. Strike two. Strike three swinging or looking?
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I am happy to eat crow. Was worried about recruiting initially. The guys we have landed in the last 24-48 hours has been nothing short of incredible. Carry on BobcatNation
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Maybe we should've just hired you since you know sooo much. Boals will not do this. Nor could he. Nor should he.
Strike one. Strike two. Strike three swinging or looking?
You said he should go tell Wight point blank he will NOT be a Bobcat next year. As I understand things with a signed NLI, what I said was not wrong. And none of us were in the room to know what the nature of the conversations had were. I don't doubt that Boals & staff may have hinted towards playing time concerns and other factors that made Wight not want to continue with Ohio...but I still maintain he wouldn't and didn't just come out and tell him he will NOT be coming to Ohio as you suggested.
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Posted: 4/16/2019 2:27 PM
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I am happy to eat crow. Was worried about recruiting initially. The guys we have landed in the last 24-48 hours has been nothing short of incredible. Carry on BobcatNation
Arguably already a better class than any we saw under five years with Saul.

That's not a shot at our former coach ... just the truth.

Two "three-stars" that were Mr. Basketball in Ohio and fourth highest rated recruit in Maryland.

Not a bad start to the career.
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I am happy to eat crow. Was worried about recruiting initially. The guys we have landed in the last 24-48 hours has been nothing short of incredible. Carry on BobcatNation
Arguably already a better class than any we saw under five years with Saul.

That's not a shot at our former coach ... just the truth.

Two "three-stars" that were Mr. Basketball in Ohio and fourth highest rated recruit in Maryland.

Not a bad start to the career.
It wasn't that I didn't want the change from Saul to someone else, it was I carried a grudge from the O$U days of Matta dying on the vine.

That said, Boals is putting some serious work into Central Ohio again, which should translate to some very nice group opportunities for folks to come down.
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You said he should go tell Wight point blank he will NOT be a Bobcat next year. As I understand things with a signed NLI, what I said was not wrong. And none of us were in the room to know what the nature of the conversations had were. I don't doubt that Boals & staff may have hinted towards playing time concerns and other factors that made Wight not want to continue with Ohio...but I still maintain he wouldn't and didn't just come out and tell him he will NOT be coming to Ohio as you suggested.
Fair to say that you are going down swinging. Your anger towards me and your close ties to this former recruit has incapacitated your judgement. Although, I have to admit that your anger might also have to do with the fact that I pretty much nailed my initial post in this thread.
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Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Maybe we should've just hired you since you know sooo much. Boals will not do this. Nor could he. Nor should he.
Strike one. Strike two. Strike three swinging or looking?
You said he should go tell Wight point blank he will NOT be a Bobcat next year. As I understand things with a signed NLI, what I said was not wrong. And none of us were in the room to know what the nature of the conversations had were. I don't doubt that Boals & staff may have hinted towards playing time concerns and other factors that made Wight not want to continue with Ohio...but I still maintain he wouldn't and didn't just come out and tell him he will NOT be coming to Ohio as you suggested.
Not taking sides here, but if the kid is a really good basketball player with lots of potential, won't he have plenty other offers to pick from? Similar D-1 mid-major kind of offers? Not saying Duke or Kansas is going to offer, but there are 353 D-1 NCAA basketball participants. Won't Incarnate Word or Stetson or Houston Baptist be really glad to have him? And if the answer is "no" - then should Ohio University basketball really be holding a space for the kid?
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I am happy to eat crow. Was worried about recruiting initially. The guys we have landed in the last 24-48 hours has been nothing short of incredible. Carry on BobcatNation
Arguably already a better class than any we saw under five years with Saul.

That's not a shot at our former coach ... just the truth.

Two "three-stars" that were Mr. Basketball in Ohio and fourth highest rated recruit in Maryland.

Not a bad start to the career.
As fans, we have to ask ourselves... do we want Ohio basketball at the level of the team some of us watched in person at Bridgestone Arena, that upset highly touted Michigan and came within an eyelash of the final 8... or do we want a program at the level of Stetson or New Hampshire?

If we want Ohio to knock Buffalo off it's throne and become the next VCU or Wichita State of the mid-major hoop world, it's going to take the recruitment of some seriously talented athletes. A few guys along the way who always dreamed of playing in the Convo might have to join the roster as walk-ons. There is no shame in it. If they prefer being a walk-on in the MAC to being a starter in the Liberty League at Hobart or Skidmore, then they should follow their heart. If not, enjoy the next four years in the beautiful Finger Lakes area at Ithaca or Hobart. There are much worse fates.
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We have truly arrived. Star chasing is an art form among Power 5 teams. Good to know we are now valuing stars over players. The guy most folks want to see in the rafters was a 3 star. Just for the record, what is the minimum number of stars we should be looking for?
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We have truly arrived. Star chasing is an art form among Power 5 teams. Good to know we are now valuing stars over players. The guy most folks want to see in the rafters was a 3 star. Just for the record, what is the minimum number of stars we should be looking for?
Two on Rivals or 247. I don't trust the ESPN ratings. They rated Gareri as 3 stars and he now plays at Joe Walsh College and thus can say "Life's been good to me so far."
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I think the star ratings are more likely to follow which coaches/programs are recruiting someone, not vice versa. You have to trust your coaches to make the right calls based on what they see.
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We have truly arrived. Star chasing is an art form among Power 5 teams. Good to know we are now valuing stars over players. The guy most folks want to see in the rafters was a 3 star. Just for the record, what is the minimum number of stars we should be looking for?
Two on Rivals or 247. I don't trust the ESPN ratings. They rated Gareri as 3 stars and he now plays at Joe Walsh College and thus can say "Life's been good to me so far."
Close but analog man actually attended Kent State.
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I think the star ratings are more likely to follow which coaches/programs are recruiting someone, not vice versa. You have to trust your coaches to make the right calls based on what they see.
Exactly. Very few of us on here are truly recruiting gurus and can't tell you what makes a kid 3*, or 4*. The other thing is either adding the players to play specifically the style you want to play as a coach, OR...molding what you're trying to play like as a team to whatever it is that the players you have do well as individuals - i.e. maximizing strengths and minimizing weaknesses.
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longtiimelurker wrote:expand_more
We have truly arrived. Star chasing is an art form among Power 5 teams. Good to know we are now valuing stars over players. The guy most folks want to see in the rafters was a 3 star. Just for the record, what is the minimum number of stars we should be looking for?
What is your alternative? Going back to the previous regime's recruiting strategies? We see how well that worked out for us.
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Buck.Cat wrote:expand_more
We have truly arrived. Star chasing is an art form among Power 5 teams. Good to know we are now valuing stars over players. The guy most folks want to see in the rafters was a 3 star. Just for the record, what is the minimum number of stars we should be looking for?
What is your alternative? Going back to the previous regime's recruiting strategies? We see how well that worked out for us.
The observation has nothing to do with recruiting. It has to do with star chasing. Go to Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana or many power 5 school boards and you will find folks criticizing and passing judgements on recruits based on their stars and thinking that they should only be going after 4 and 5 star guys or the coach is a bum. Don't be so quick to tie every comment to an "apologist" or supporter of a previous regime.

My alternative is to judge players on evaluations, film and reports. Soley basing your judgement on STARS as a mid major is a bit crazy. Going back over the last 2 NCAA qualifiers will probably give you one or 2 3 stars and a whole bunch of 1 and 2 stars. The reality is that those 2 teams are probably a bit higher than our MAC counterparts because of Groce's ability to see talent and recruit guys he felt could play post graduate ball. The alternative is to NOT judge recruits and what we need on Stars.
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longtiimelurker wrote:expand_more
We have truly arrived. Star chasing is an art form among Power 5 teams. Good to know we are now valuing stars over players. The guy most folks want to see in the rafters was a 3 star. Just for the record, what is the minimum number of stars we should be looking for?
What is your alternative? Going back to the previous regime's recruiting strategies? We see how well that worked out for us.
The observation has nothing to do with recruiting. It has to do with star chasing. Go to Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana or many power 5 school boards and you will find folks criticizing and passing judgements on recruits based on their stars and thinking that they should only be going after 4 and 5 star guys or the coach is a bum. Don't be so quick to tie every comment to an "apologist" or supporter of a previous regime.

My alternative is to judge players on evaluations, film and reports. Soley basing your judgement on STARS as a mid major is a bit crazy. Going back over the last 2 NCAA qualifiers will probably give you one or 2 3 stars and a whole bunch of 1 and 2 stars. The reality is that those 2 teams are probably a bit higher than our MAC counterparts because of Groce's ability to see talent and recruit guys he felt could play post graduate ball. The alternative is to NOT judge recruits and what we need on Stars.
Of course what you say about evaluations and needs versus stars is exactly what Solich has been doing here for 15 years. We sign a lot of guys who are not high stars but end up being all MAC players on very competitive teams. Stars aren’t everything and I doubt that many on here base their evaluations of success solely on stars. Number of offers has proven to be somewhat of a better indicator in football, but it’s far from foolproof. Ohio has done quite well in signing players who had serious injuries/medical issues and have moved off people’s radar. This years Marvin Price may be one of those, we’ll see. Anyway, I’ll take guys like Ben who have been on our coaches radar for 2-3 years any day and trust the coach to see the type of player he wants/needs to be successful.
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