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FearLeon
4/21/2019 8:58 AM
Does anyone know if we have the same strength and conditioning coach under Saul staff or did Coach Boals bring in his own guy? I don't think we can underestimate how important this position is.
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BillyTheCat
4/21/2019 11:44 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Does anyone know if we have the same strength and conditioning coach under Saul staff or did Coach Boals bring in his own guy? I don't think we can underestimate how important this position is.
New guy was brought in last fall. Boals will have a hand in development of that program.
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GraffZ06
4/21/2019 12:44 PM
Good to know.

Severely underrated how important and influential this aspect is to a programs success (and health).
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bornacatfan
4/21/2019 4:09 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
Good to know.

Severely underrated how important and influential this aspect is to a programs success (and health).
I follow Adam Fletcher on Twitter. The former mountain man in the Miami/Ohio pre game video jumping center is one of the best strength coaches I have seen. As I look at his work on Illinois athletes the transformation is phenomenal. It is indeed one of the best adds a program can do....finding a guy who can balance strength and agility is hard to do....
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Maddog13
4/21/2019 7:13 PM
Hopefully we have a good strength and conditioning coach who helps minimize injuries instead of compounding them.
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OU_Country
4/21/2019 7:24 PM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
Hopefully we have a good strength and conditioning coach who helps minimize injuries instead of compounding them.
Isn't that likely what they're all trying to achieve?
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Maddog13
4/21/2019 11:36 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Hopefully we have a good strength and conditioning coach who helps minimize injuries instead of compounding them.
Isn't that likely what they're all trying to achieve?
Not necessarily:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-unreg... /

https://www.wsj.com/articles/strength-coaches-in-college-...
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DJCooperBurnerAccount
4/22/2019 9:02 AM
I wish we could have Dak train all sports but unfortunately that's not feasible. With what OU pays, good luck getting a good basketball strength coach in place, football will always be top priority. I don't necessarily like the style of training the basketball program does, but I know Boals puts a lot of stock into training and I expect he will get a guy who he likes in soon.
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OU_Country
4/22/2019 11:16 AM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
Hopefully we have a good strength and conditioning coach who helps minimize injuries instead of compounding them.
Isn't that likely what they're all trying to achieve?
Not necessarily:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-unreg... /

https://www.wsj.com/articles/strength-coaches-in-college-...
While I couldn't read the WSJ piece, the CBS writing was eye opening in that there doesn't seem to be a really solid standard in the NCAA. Thanks for sharing.
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Bobcat1996
4/22/2019 8:35 PM
"I wish we could have Dak train all sports but unfortunately that's not feasible. With what OU pays, good luck getting a good basketball strength coach in place, football will always be top priority. I don't necessarily like the style of training the basketball program does, but I know Boals puts a lot of stock into training and I expect he will get a guy who he likes in soon."

Dak does a great job in football and Ohio is fortunate to have him. Maybe Boals can suggest to his AD, he would take a little less on his end to get a good strength coach?
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Ohio69
4/23/2019 9:03 AM
I like that CBS is using their bully pulpit to bring attention to this. The "killing season" line is a great attention grabber.

I'm surprised and then not surprised at this. Not surprised due to the "old school" nature of sports. Run until you puke to prove your tough type BS. So dumb. Surprised that places with tons of $ like Oregon do not have experienced masters/PHD level exercise phys or physical therapy type people doing the work....
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Maddog13
4/23/2019 10:41 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
I like that CBS is using their bully pulpit to bring attention to this. The "killing season" line is a great attention grabber.

I'm surprised and then not surprised at this. Not surprised due to the "old school" nature of sports. Run until you puke to prove your tough type BS. So dumb. Surprised that places with tons of $ like Oregon do not have experienced masters/PHD level exercise phys or physical therapy type people doing the work....
A whole psychological and medical dissertation could be done on the extreme narcissism, grandiosity, and delusional nature of the strength and conditioning field combined with, as you correctly call it, the "old school nature of sports." There are so many advanced ways to effectively track the medical status of the athlete these days, yet a lot of this strength coaches don't seem knowledgeable or qualified enough to utilize such technology. Despite the claims of the Psychology field that it too is based on a medical model, the truth is that you can't take a blood test for depression or an X-ray to determine anxiety, and that nobody knows where the so called "cable signal" comes from that makes up the unique traits of an individual; therefore, it is easy to fall victim to a Neanderthal Conman with big biceps who can get the young athlete to increase their bench pressing prowess during the off-season, unaware of whether doing such is doing permanent damage to the yet to be fulling developed young athlete. They are also pushing some of these kids without the proper access to good nutrition and legal supplements needed to repair damaged and growing tissue. That does not even include the strange saga of developing growth hormones, including testosterone and steroids. There is now a doctor in Asia who has reportedly figured out how to genetically alter rats, so that they can double their muscle mass in two weeks. Of course, nobody knows what the long range medical and psychological consequences of all of this will be.
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BillyTheCat
4/23/2019 12:40 PM
I am just curious if any of you have any actual working knowledge of professional strength coaches and what their accreditation standards are? Know any Division I Strength coaches? or any Professional sports teams strength coaches?

Just curious.
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DJCooperBurnerAccount
4/23/2019 1:12 PM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
I like that CBS is using their bully pulpit to bring attention to this. The "killing season" line is a great attention grabber.

I'm surprised and then not surprised at this. Not surprised due to the "old school" nature of sports. Run until you puke to prove your tough type BS. So dumb. Surprised that places with tons of $ like Oregon do not have experienced masters/PHD level exercise phys or physical therapy type people doing the work....
A whole psychological and medical dissertation could be done on the extreme narcissism, grandiosity, and delusional nature of the strength and conditioning field combined with, as you correctly call it, the "old school nature of sports." There are so many advanced ways to effectively track the medical status of the athlete these days, yet a lot of this strength coaches don't seem knowledgeable or qualified enough to utilize such technology. Despite the claims of the Psychology field that it too is based on a medical model, the truth is that you can't take a blood test for depression or an X-ray to determine anxiety, and that nobody knows where the so called "cable signal" comes from that makes up the unique traits of an individual; therefore, it is easy to fall victim to a Neanderthal Conman with big biceps who can get the young athlete to increase their bench pressing prowess during the off-season, unaware of whether doing such is doing permanent damage to the yet to be fulling developed young athlete. They are also pushing some of these kids without the proper access to good nutrition and legal supplements needed to repair damaged and growing tissue. That does not even include the strange saga of developing growth hormones, including testosterone and steroids. There is now a doctor in Asia who has reportedly figured out how to genetically alter rats, so that they can double their muscle mass in two weeks. Of course, nobody knows what the long range medical and psychological consequences of all of this will be.
You really know nothing about strength and conditioning coaches, do you?
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DJCooperBurnerAccount
4/23/2019 1:16 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
"I wish we could have Dak train all sports but unfortunately that's not feasible. With what OU pays, good luck getting a good basketball strength coach in place, football will always be top priority. I don't necessarily like the style of training the basketball program does, but I know Boals puts a lot of stock into training and I expect he will get a guy who he likes in soon."

Dak does a great job in football and Ohio is fortunate to have him. Maybe Boals can suggest to his AD, he would take a little less on his end to get a good strength coach?
That's my guess. Unless we can clone Dak and bring him the the men's basketball team. We are lucky he values this program so much.. he could and I'm assuming eventually will be poached by a P5 school
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GoCats105
4/23/2019 2:02 PM
DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote:expand_more
"I wish we could have Dak train all sports but unfortunately that's not feasible. With what OU pays, good luck getting a good basketball strength coach in place, football will always be top priority. I don't necessarily like the style of training the basketball program does, but I know Boals puts a lot of stock into training and I expect he will get a guy who he likes in soon."

Dak does a great job in football and Ohio is fortunate to have him. Maybe Boals can suggest to his AD, he would take a little less on his end to get a good strength coach?
That's my guess. Unless we can clone Dak and bring him the the men's basketball team. We are lucky he values this program so much.. he could and I'm assuming eventually will be poached by a P5 school
Training for football and basketball are two different things.
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DJCooperBurnerAccount
4/23/2019 2:35 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
"I wish we could have Dak train all sports but unfortunately that's not feasible. With what OU pays, good luck getting a good basketball strength coach in place, football will always be top priority. I don't necessarily like the style of training the basketball program does, but I know Boals puts a lot of stock into training and I expect he will get a guy who he likes in soon."

Dak does a great job in football and Ohio is fortunate to have him. Maybe Boals can suggest to his AD, he would take a little less on his end to get a good strength coach?
That's my guess. Unless we can clone Dak and bring him the the men's basketball team. We are lucky he values this program so much.. he could and I'm assuming eventually will be poached by a P5 school
Training for football and basketball are two different things.
You're correct. But Dak also trains the women's basketball team. His theories and principles translate. He knows what he's doing
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