http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/26767786/oh...

Not sure if this has already been discussed but could we be looking at another Penn State?

22 coaches in the report acknowledge that they were aware of the rumors about this doctor. That's across many sports and many years, so I don't know how significant that number is, but that at least does lend some credence to the claims by wrestlers that their coaches may well have known.

Whether they did or not, it's clear that culturally many of our institutions are ill-equipped to deal with abuse and that for too long the SOP was to look the other way. Penn State, Michigan State, the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts. There are several new examples each year.

Billy we have a tragic story of abuse and you have to turn it into political issue, even though Jim Jordan wasn't mentioned at all in the report. It's a nice outside the bubble, you might want to venture out once in a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKOb-kmOgpI

this is no longer a wrestling story. it is going to get much much worse. Gee saying he has “no recollection” is absurd. Not sure it will get to penn state level but certainly see it far exceeding Mich State.

Maybe you should read what the wrestlers who were there at the time have said.

As I posted,the 2 wrestlers who, years later,went public,never said anything other then they think Jordan, and by the way,other coaches at the time,"should" have known what was going on.

A number of other wrestlers have stated that they don't think Jordan,or any other coach had any idea what was going on.

As I said,this story was big news on the wrestling boards when it broke.

If you'd like to see both sides' comments about Jordan,including how people felt it would affect his chances of re-election last year,you can check out the college wrestling forum at http://www.teamusa.org/USA-wrestling .

I would think the threads are still there.

You also have to remember the time frame when this happened.
Like I posted,the 2 wrestlers have said Jordan should have known what was going on,based on locker room jokes.

I wrestled in college in the late 70's.
Some comments I made/heard in the locker room:

How come ________ smiles every time someone uses a "high crotch"?

How come _______ is always the first one into the showers,but last one out ?

How come trainer _________ said he had to check my groin,when my ankle was what I hurt ?

One thing that a number of people do think was odd,was that guys in "tough" sports like wrestling,football etc. would let this guy do what he did.
Especially more then once.

Some people have said they believe Strauss had enough pull with Administration to threaten athletes with loss of their scholarship if they went public.

Just read on Collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com that according to the attorney for Mike DiSabato, dozens of the victims were OSU football players. Beyond sad.

+1

Yes, some of these folks are acting like they are back in grade school. No personal responsibility to take the necessary actions to end the behavior of the offender. Maybe the age of majority and the voting age needs to be raised to 25. Seems people these days are becoming mature adults at a later age, not an earlier one. [Note: I'm about half serious about the above remarks. They are strident, but we do have a serious societal problem not only with these sexual predators but in the way many individuals who are preyed upon are reacting to the abuse. I have a relative who was abused as a child. I'm very much aware of how a child reacts in these situations, and BLSS has described it well. However, an adult should react in an entirely different, more mature way. That seems often not to be happening in these situations. I find that very puzzling.]

When did Trump defenders have any credibility?

You posted that an AP story said that Jordan was not mentioned as one of the coaches that knew.

That's consistent with all the other news reports I've read.

That's also consistent with what he's been saying since day one.

So,wouldn't that make Jordan ,at least as far as this matter is concerned,"credible" ?

She shouldn’t have been drunk in a bar that late at night.
Look at what she was wearing.
She was known to have sex.

smh

I debated whether to respond to your post about someone putting themselves in a victim's shoes and saying you'd behave differently and "it's much different when you've actually been the victim of a crime".

Well,I was a potential victim of a sex abuser.
Not quite the same as OSU,but here's my story.

The Spring of my senior year in college I was doing interval training at a local high school track.
There was a guy there talking to several of the guys that were running around the track.

When I took a break he came over to me.
He said he was a retired Marine Corps Drill Instructor.
He said he was trying to "give back" to the community by training athletes for free.

He looked in shape and used all the right language,so I figured why not.

Our training sessions were at a local park,starting around 6:00 in the morning.

The first few workouts were pretty standard.

Then he wanted to start using some,"unorthodox" training techniques.

First one was a modified "squat thrust" where he was sitting in a chair and
your head went between his legs.
Then he said,if he didn't think you were doing the exercise fast enough,he'd close his legs.
That was it.
I told him to go ____ himself and left.

I thought about filing a complaint but realized I didn't know his last name.
Also,never saw him again.

I also had a situation when I was about 18, the details of which I don't want to go into, but which required me to physically repel a much bigger man. To this day, I don't know how I did it. Adrenaline must have kicked in big time. I was scared to death. In my frightened condition, I was able to grab a bar and swing my feet at him full force and knock him over and run like hell away from him. If he had overpowered me and did what he was intent on doing, I certainly would have reported the incident to authorities. I would not have waited 30 years!

Do you need a last name to tell the police/school that somebody attempted to sexually abuse you? Respectfully, your example of how you definitely acted differently ended with the exact same result as the victims you acted differently from.

Taking the steps to report an abuser, particularly ones who are in a position of power, takes an unbelievable amount of effort and emotional energy. Like I said, it's super easy to say you'd have done things differently, but in your own case you didn't report somebody because you didn't have his last name.