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OU_Country
9/9/2019 12:03 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Games are played with a human element, mistakes will be made. Lets just go with robot players and virtual simulations for the games, that way I wouldn't have to watch my favorite team send an outfielder out to RF with a brick in his glove. Errors and mistakes are a part of the game.
I agree with the "human element" to some extent.

But I also don't like when a blown call directly affects the outcome of a game/match etc.

I think that's one reason why tennis has embraced using electronics to see if a
ball is in/out/on the line.

Given the variation in strike zones between umpires,I can see why MLB is considering ABS for consistency.

What I would really like to see is a system that can objectively judge gymnastics and diving.
This is something I've come to like about racing and golf more and more. Replay isn't necessary, and isn't even part of the conversation. Either you crossed the finish line first, or you didn't. Either you scored the lowest score in the field at a golf event, or you didn't.

I'm not against the use of tech as part of the sport, but I'm not wild about changing the game because of it. Video replay has, in many cases, negatively impacted the opinions of sports because it takes FOREVER more often than not. The amount of times referees are spending at the monitor at the end of a college hoops game has become ridiculous.
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OU_Country
9/9/2019 12:05 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Those strike zone boxes are often wrong and they don't take into account the height of the hitter. Keep the umps and keep harping on them to be consistent.
Exactly. Baseball doesn't need robo-ump, they need the human umps to call strikes based on the rules, not based on their opinion of what the strike zone is. Which is why I suggest using the tech to evaluate them, not to actually call the game for them.
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BillyTheCat
9/9/2019 1:02 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Games are played with a human element, mistakes will be made. Lets just go with robot players and virtual simulations for the games, that way I wouldn't have to watch my favorite team send an outfielder out to RF with a brick in his glove. Errors and mistakes are a part of the game.
I agree with the "human element" to some extent.

But I also don't like when a blown call directly affects the outcome of a game/match etc.

I think that's one reason why tennis has embraced using electronics to see if a
ball is in/out/on the line.

Given the variation in strike zones between umpires,I can see why MLB is considering ABS for consistency.

What I would really like to see is a system that can objectively judge gymnastics and diving.
I don't like it when a senior QB doesn't realize the situation and cost the team 1 extra play, or when a basketball player dribbles out the clock while down. But that is what makes sports/sports. Yeah, there may be one call, but I bet any coach can find multiple multiple plays during a game that had more potential bearing than a "blown" call. And you use the word "objectively" like you believe officials care who wins or cheat.
Last Edited: 9/9/2019 1:03:23 PM by BillyTheCat
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rpbobcat
9/9/2019 2:50 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Games are played with a human element, mistakes will be made. Lets just go with robot players and virtual simulations for the games, that way I wouldn't have to watch my favorite team send an outfielder out to RF with a brick in his glove. Errors and mistakes are a part of the game.
I agree with the "human element" to some extent.

But I also don't like when a blown call directly affects the outcome of a game/match etc.

I think that's one reason why tennis has embraced using electronics to see if a
ball is in/out/on the line.

Given the variation in strike zones between umpires,I can see why MLB is considering ABS for consistency.

What I would really like to see is a system that can objectively judge gymnastics and diving.
This is something I've come to like about racing and golf more and more. Replay isn't necessary, and isn't even part of the conversation. Either you crossed the finish line first, or you didn't. Either you scored the lowest score in the field at a golf event, or you didn't.

I'm not against the use of tech as part of the sport, but I'm not wild about changing the game because of it. Video replay has, in many cases, negatively impacted the opinions of sports because it takes FOREVER more often than not. The amount of times referees are spending at the monitor at the end of a college hoops game has become ridiculous.
Well,they do occasionally use replay in golf if there's a question about the position of a ball.
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rpbobcat
9/9/2019 2:53 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
And you use the word "objectively" like you believe officials care who wins or cheat.
When it comes to things like Olympic gymnastics and diving,yes I believe the judges absolutely care who wins.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
9/9/2019 3:29 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Lets just go with robot players and virtual simulations for the games
In the cases of football, boxing, mixed martial arts and horseracing, I'd argue that this will one day be the ethical way to continue those sports.

Until the robots become sentient, that is.
Last Edited: 9/9/2019 3:30:57 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Ohio69
9/10/2019 8:43 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Those strike zone boxes are often wrong and they don't take into account the height of the hitter. Keep the umps and keep harping on them to be consistent.
Exactly. Baseball doesn't need robo-ump, they need the human umps to call strikes based on the rules, not based on their opinion of what the strike zone is. Which is why I suggest using the tech to evaluate them, not to actually call the game for them.
I like this idea. I watch a lot of MLB on TV. Several games per week. And, when they have that "Kzone" thing on the screen I am often amazed at how often umpires get the borderline calls correct. Its the vast, vast majority of the time. So I don't think the strike zone is as big an issue as its made out to be.

Speeding up the game, fixing the baseball, and doing something about infield shifts are far, far higher on my baseball wish list however.

I'd speed up the game by giving out bonuses to all players who play in games that finish under a certain amount of minutes. And, I'd hand them those bonuses with their per diem cash the next day. (They still get per diem cash, no? LOL.)
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OUVan
9/10/2019 9:16 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Well,they do occasionally use replay in golf if there's a question about the position of a ball.
And they definitely use replay in racing if there is a close finish.
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OU_Country
9/10/2019 10:01 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
Well,they do occasionally use replay in golf if there's a question about the position of a ball.
And they definitely use replay in racing if there is a close finish.
True, they do, or have done that occasionally as you both stated. Fortunately, it's not part of every event in the same way it's part of other sports.
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OU_Country
9/10/2019 10:13 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Those strike zone boxes are often wrong and they don't take into account the height of the hitter. Keep the umps and keep harping on them to be consistent.
Exactly. Baseball doesn't need robo-ump, they need the human umps to call strikes based on the rules, not based on their opinion of what the strike zone is. Which is why I suggest using the tech to evaluate them, not to actually call the game for them.
I like this idea. I watch a lot of MLB on TV. Several games per week. And, when they have that "Kzone" thing on the screen I am often amazed at how often umpires get the borderline calls correct. Its the vast, vast majority of the time. So I don't think the strike zone is as big an issue as its made out to be.

Speeding up the game, fixing the baseball, and doing something about infield shifts are far, far higher on my baseball wish list however.

I'd speed up the game by giving out bonuses to all players who play in games that finish under a certain amount of minutes. And, I'd hand them those bonuses with their per diem cash the next day. (They still get per diem cash, no? LOL.)
In general, I have no problem with the shift. I wouldn't complain if they said there had to be two infield players on either side of second base, but that's about it for me. Learn to bunt, learn to hit the other way. The $300+ million man, Bryce Harper laid down a bunt against the Reds shift last week for an easy base hit because there was no one there to field the ball. Do that a few times, and the shift will change.

Speeding up the game - pitching is the biggest part of that. Too many guys take too long on the mound in between pitches, and now we have 8+ pitching changes a game on average. My solution is simply limiting the number of pitchers on a roster to 11 or 12. Some are carrying 14. I think they're discussing requiring a pitcher to face at least two batters as well.

In terms of pace of play, it shouldn't be that hard to find solutions - simply go back into the 70's and 80's for game footage to see what made the games move faster, and implement those methods.
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BillyTheCat
9/10/2019 11:16 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Games are played with a human element, mistakes will be made. Lets just go with robot players and virtual simulations for the games, that way I wouldn't have to watch my favorite team send an outfielder out to RF with a brick in his glove. Errors and mistakes are a part of the game.
I agree with the "human element" to some extent.

But I also don't like when a blown call directly affects the outcome of a game/match etc.

I think that's one reason why tennis has embraced using electronics to see if a
ball is in/out/on the line.

Given the variation in strike zones between umpires,I can see why MLB is considering ABS for consistency.

What I would really like to see is a system that can objectively judge gymnastics and diving.
This is something I've come to like about racing and golf more and more. Replay isn't necessary, and isn't even part of the conversation. Either you crossed the finish line first, or you didn't. Either you scored the lowest score in the field at a golf event, or you didn't.

I'm not against the use of tech as part of the sport, but I'm not wild about changing the game because of it. Video replay has, in many cases, negatively impacted the opinions of sports because it takes FOREVER more often than not. The amount of times referees are spending at the monitor at the end of a college hoops game has become ridiculous.
Tell the owners of Maximum Security that replay is NOT part of the conversation. Replay's in racing happen often.
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giacomo
9/10/2019 11:51 AM
It's all about increasing the number of possessions per game. If James Harden comes down in five seconds and hits a three, and you do that fairly consistently, the other team can't work the ball for a layup. They will lose every time. You also don't see the big post player any more. The analytics are telling teams they need different types of players with different skills than the rough and tumble days of the past. Stef Curry would have never seen the light of day 20, 30 years ago. Big, strong, athletic brick layers populated many teams rosters. Not any more.
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OU_Country
9/10/2019 12:46 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
This is something I've come to like about racing and golf more and more. Replay isn't necessary, and isn't even part of the conversation. Either you crossed the finish line first, or you didn't. Either you scored the lowest score in the field at a golf event, or you didn't.

I'm not against the use of tech as part of the sport, but I'm not wild about changing the game because of it. Video replay has, in many cases, negatively impacted the opinions of sports because it takes FOREVER more often than not. The amount of times referees are spending at the monitor at the end of a college hoops game has become ridiculous.
Tell the owners of Maximum Security that replay is NOT part of the conversation. Replay's in racing happen often.
I'm not sure I follow? Unless you're referring to horse racing?

In auto racing in 2019, at the highest levels, cars have on board telemetry that generally decide outcomes - video replay isn't really needed.
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BillyTheCat
9/10/2019 12:49 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
This is something I've come to like about racing and golf more and more. Replay isn't necessary, and isn't even part of the conversation. Either you crossed the finish line first, or you didn't. Either you scored the lowest score in the field at a golf event, or you didn't.

I'm not against the use of tech as part of the sport, but I'm not wild about changing the game because of it. Video replay has, in many cases, negatively impacted the opinions of sports because it takes FOREVER more often than not. The amount of times referees are spending at the monitor at the end of a college hoops game has become ridiculous.
Tell the owners of Maximum Security that replay is NOT part of the conversation. Replay's in racing happen often.
I'm not sure I follow? Unless you're referring to horse racing?

In auto racing in 2019, at the highest levels, cars have on board telemetry that generally decide outcomes - video replay isn't really needed.
NASCAR and "sport" are for another argument. Horses are athletes, cars are not.
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OU_Country
9/10/2019 2:45 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
This is something I've come to like about racing and golf more and more. Replay isn't necessary, and isn't even part of the conversation. Either you crossed the finish line first, or you didn't. Either you scored the lowest score in the field at a golf event, or you didn't.

I'm not against the use of tech as part of the sport, but I'm not wild about changing the game because of it. Video replay has, in many cases, negatively impacted the opinions of sports because it takes FOREVER more often than not. The amount of times referees are spending at the monitor at the end of a college hoops game has become ridiculous.
Tell the owners of Maximum Security that replay is NOT part of the conversation. Replay's in racing happen often.
I'm not sure I follow? Unless you're referring to horse racing?

In auto racing in 2019, at the highest levels, cars have on board telemetry that generally decide outcomes - video replay isn't really needed.
NASCAR and "sport" are for another argument. Horses are athletes, cars are not.
Drivers, at the highest levels, most of them are exceptional athletes, I can assure you.
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BillyTheCat
9/11/2019 11:48 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
This is something I've come to like about racing and golf more and more. Replay isn't necessary, and isn't even part of the conversation. Either you crossed the finish line first, or you didn't. Either you scored the lowest score in the field at a golf event, or you didn't.

I'm not against the use of tech as part of the sport, but I'm not wild about changing the game because of it. Video replay has, in many cases, negatively impacted the opinions of sports because it takes FOREVER more often than not. The amount of times referees are spending at the monitor at the end of a college hoops game has become ridiculous.
Tell the owners of Maximum Security that replay is NOT part of the conversation. Replay's in racing happen often.
I'm not sure I follow? Unless you're referring to horse racing?

In auto racing in 2019, at the highest levels, cars have on board telemetry that generally decide outcomes - video replay isn't really needed.
NASCAR and "sport" are for another argument. Horses are athletes, cars are not.
Drivers, at the highest levels, most of them are exceptional athletes, I can assure you.
Bill Dance is an exceptional athlete as well. A caster at the highest levels.
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MonroeClassmate
9/12/2019 2:38 AM
A number of years ago I had a pleasant conversation with the math teacher at my former high school.

I asked him if during all the years that he taught did any students stand out for their exceptional math abilities.

Without hesitation he said, yes, and that brilliant student was Daryl Morey, king of NBA basketball analytics.
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OhioCatFan
9/12/2019 11:54 AM
In reading through this thread, I agree with virtually every point made in every post by BTC. Therefore, I don't have to post my own ideas. I'm as shocked by this finding as most of you. I certainly hope that this doesn't signal a trend! ;-)
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OU_Country
9/12/2019 1:49 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
In reading through this thread, I agree with virtually every point made in every post by BTC. Therefore, I don't have to post my own ideas. I'm as shocked by this finding as most of you. I certainly hope that this doesn't signal a trend! ;-)
You're a fan of Bill Dance, aren't you? lol! ;)
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OhioCatFan
9/12/2019 3:01 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
In reading through this thread, I agree with virtually every point made in every post by BTC. Therefore, I don't have to post my own ideas. I'm as shocked by this finding as most of you. I certainly hope that this doesn't signal a trend! ;-)
You're a fan of Bill Dance, aren't you? lol! ;)
Seems like you're fishing for an answer with that question! ;-)
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OU_Country
9/13/2019 10:33 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
In reading through this thread, I agree with virtually every point made in every post by BTC. Therefore, I don't have to post my own ideas. I'm as shocked by this finding as most of you. I certainly hope that this doesn't signal a trend! ;-)
You're a fan of Bill Dance, aren't you? lol! ;)
Seems like you're fishing for an answer with that question! ;-)
HAHA!!!!
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