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FearLeon
12/17/2019 9:29 PM
Why is McMurray getting minutes in the Purdue game over Price in this first half? McMurray is tentative and lost out there. If it’s not a Division Two opponent, McMurray really, really struggles. There must be a good reason as to why Price is not getting a run in this game.
Last Edited: 12/17/2019 9:37:59 PM by FearLeon
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Bobcat1998
12/17/2019 9:50 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Why is McMurray getting minutes in the Purdue game over Price in this first half? McMurray is tentative and lost out there. If it’s not a Division Two opponent, McMurray really, really struggles. There must be a good reason as to why Price is not getting a run in this game.
I am sitting here wondering the same thing. We are losing because we are TIRED!!! Price and heck, even Michael Brown getting three mins each is not going to hurt. We are losing by 20 anyways. And if Miles Brown is available and not redshirting PLAY HIM. The only thing I dream is that Boals is a master sandbagger and Price and Miles will explode in MAC play :)
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shabamon
12/17/2019 9:52 PM
Preston is running for his life and you want to run our 5'10" walkon freshman in there? Hilarious.

Isn't Price in the same boat. Yeah he played well against Rio, but reports around here said he was equally lost against Tennessee Tech.
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FearLeon
12/17/2019 9:56 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
Preston is running for his life and you want to run our 5'10" walkon freshman in there? Hilarious.

Isn't Price in the same boat. Yeah he played well against Rio, but reports around here said he was equally lost against Tennessee Tech.
Not enough sample size on Price to make that judgement. I’ve seen enough of McMurray against Villanova, Baylor, Utah and Purdue to know he shouldn’t be getting minutes in games against quality opponents.
Last Edited: 12/17/2019 9:58:11 PM by FearLeon
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Bobcat1998
12/17/2019 10:31 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
Preston is running for his life and you want to run our 5'10" walkon freshman in there? Hilarious.

Isn't Price in the same boat. Yeah he played well against Rio, but reports around here said he was equally lost against Tennessee Tech.
Because we are doing so well without those guys. You can see we are tired. No sample size for you to judge.
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shabamon
12/17/2019 10:34 PM
No actually, I don't think we look tired.
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FearLeon
12/17/2019 10:34 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
Preston is running for his life and you want to run our 5'10" walkon freshman in there? Hilarious.

Isn't Price in the same boat. Yeah he played well against Rio, but reports around here said he was equally lost against Tennessee Tech.
Because we are doing so well without those guys. You can see we are tired. No sample size for you to judge.
You haven’t watched enough Ohio basketball if you don’t think that’s a good sample size to realize McMurray shouldn’t be getting these minutes against good opponents.
Last Edited: 12/17/2019 10:39:53 PM by FearLeon
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Bobcat1998
12/17/2019 11:02 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
No actually, I don't think we look tired.
You are apparently visually impaired and/or have never coached or played enough to see the drain on BVP, Preston, McDay and Darty.
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Alan Swank
12/17/2019 11:13 PM
We are playing with our starting five - our best five - and then players 9 through the end of the bench. Murrel Foster and Roderick would be the first three off of the bench if they weren't hurt. At least that's my observation from the 6th row on the aisle right behind Boals
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left lane, hammer down
12/17/2019 11:26 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
We are playing with our starting five - our best five - and then players 9 through the end of the bench. Murrel Foster and Roderick would be the first three off of the bench if they weren't hurt. At least that's my observation from the 6th row on the aisle right behind Boals
+1

From my concourse level seat in the corner behind Purdue's bench.
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mid70sbobcat
12/17/2019 11:28 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Preston is running for his life and you want to run our 5'10" walkon freshman in there? Hilarious.

Isn't Price in the same boat. Yeah he played well against Rio, but reports around here said he was equally lost against Tennessee Tech.
Because we are doing so well without those guys. You can see we are tired. No sample size for you to judge.
You haven’t watched enough Ohio basketball if you don’t think that’s a good sample size to realize McMurray shouldn’t be getting these minutes against good opponents.


With all due respect you don't know a lot about Div. I ball and who we have on the bench. So Boals is making bad decisions? Fire him and hire you? You thought Saul was bad, never mind it's his guys who have been the scoring leaders this year.


PS I have 3 degrees in Stats. Don't go ranting about Sample Size.
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mid70sbobcat
12/17/2019 11:29 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
No actually, I don't think we look tired.
You are apparently visually impaired and/or have never coached or played enough to see the drain on BVP, Preston, McDay and Darty.
How many games this year have you attended?
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GraffZ06
12/17/2019 11:43 PM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
PS I have 3 degrees in Stats. Don't go ranting about Sample Size.
Didn't realize it took 3 degrees to figure out random processes, standard deviation and Markov models.

:D.
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FearLeon
12/17/2019 11:55 PM
Last Edited: 12/18/2019 12:40:05 AM by FearLeon
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Andrew Ruck
12/18/2019 8:01 AM
I mean...McMurray only played 5 minutes. This post makes it sound like he logged 25 minutes.

I was a little surprised Price wasn't used / hasn't been used more since healthy. It is looking like he won't be part of the rotation. I thought for sure he would. Going off other offers, he was our top recruit.

Not surprised Miles Brown was not used, he had just returned to basketball activities. Hopefully we see him get some minutes against Morehead St & Campbell.
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Ohio69
12/18/2019 9:11 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Why is McMurray getting minutes in the Purdue game over Price in this first half? McMurray is tentative and lost out there. If it’s not a Division Two opponent, McMurray really, really struggles. There must be a good reason as to why Price is not getting a run in this game. [/QUOTE]At this point, I just trust Boals. I assume either they aren't healthy enough or aren't showing "it" during practice.

Also, this:

[QUOTE=Alan Swank] We are playing with our starting five - our best five - and then players 9 through the end of the bench. Murrel Foster and Roderick would be the first three off of the bench if they weren't hurt. At least that's my observation from the 6th row on the aisle right behind Boals
That said, it is frustrating to not see these guys get some run though.
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OU_Country
12/18/2019 12:33 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
Why is McMurray getting minutes in the Purdue game over Price in this first half? McMurray is tentative and lost out there. If it’s not a Division Two opponent, McMurray really, really struggles. There must be a good reason as to why Price is not getting a run in this game.
I am sitting here wondering the same thing. We are losing because we are TIRED!!! Price and heck, even Michael Brown getting three mins each is not going to hurt. We are losing by 20 anyways. And if Miles Brown is available and not redshirting PLAY HIM. The only thing I dream is that Boals is a master sandbagger and Price and Miles will explode in MAC play :)
Ohio didn't lose because they were tired. Ohio lost because Purdue was better. Period.

They totally took Dartis and Preston out of the game for the whole of the first half. Vanden Plas was a non-factor most of the game. Purdue is a very good defensive team and it showed up last night.
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OU_Country
12/18/2019 12:35 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
We are playing with our starting five - our best five - and then players 9 through the end of the bench. Murrel Foster and Roderick would be the first three off of the bench if they weren't hurt. At least that's my observation from the 6th row on the aisle right behind Boals

Agreed. This team has the chance to be .500 or better in MAC play....IF all of those guys are able to play most of the rest of the season.
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Alan Swank
12/18/2019 1:55 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=FearLeon]
Ohio didn't lose because they were tired. Ohio lost because Purdue was better. Period.

They totally took Dartis and Preston out of the game for the whole of the first half. Vanden Plas was a non-factor most of the game. Purdue is a very good defensive team and it showed up last night.
Exactly. They doubled Preston up high from the get go. The one bad habit he has is jumping in the air with the ball and last night against a well-prepared defensive team he got burned several times. If he can break that habit, he will end up being a very good floor leader.
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jpmo
12/18/2019 2:24 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
[QUOTE=FearLeon]
Ohio didn't lose because they were tired. Ohio lost because Purdue was better. Period.

They totally took Dartis and Preston out of the game for the whole of the first half. Vanden Plas was a non-factor most of the game. Purdue is a very good defensive team and it showed up last night.
Exactly. They doubled Preston up high from the get-go. The one bad habit he has is jumping in the air with the ball and last night against a well-prepared defensive team he got burned several times. If he can break that habit, he will end up being a very good floor leader.
I agree. Purdue's defense was suffocating at times and we had no response in the first half.

It usually doesn't turn out well when we have 30+ 3pt attempts.

I like Preston, but his habit of randomly hot-dogging can produce some really ugly mistakes.

As good as Purdue's defense was, we made a lot of poor decisions with the ball in the first half.
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OhioCatFan
12/18/2019 10:54 PM
left lane, hammer down wrote:expand_more
We are playing with our starting five - our best five - and then players 9 through the end of the bench. Murrel Foster and Roderick would be the first three off of the bench if they weren't hurt. At least that's my observation from the 6th row on the aisle right behind Boals
+1

From my concourse level seat in the corner behind Purdue's bench.
+2

From my seats slightly further away it looked that way too.

I'd only add I wonder how we would have done, particularly during that 2nd half comeback, if Ben R. had been able to play. One more solid player could have made a big difference, and also would have helped with the fatigue factor, to the extent that was in play last night. I think we'd fair much better against this type of competition later in the season when we have all the cogs in place and the wheel has had more time to get greased (i.e., develop team chemistry).
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bshot44
12/18/2019 11:30 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
We are playing with our starting five - our best five - and then players 9 through the end of the bench. Murrel Foster and Roderick would be the first three off of the bench if they weren't hurt. At least that's my observation from the 6th row on the aisle right behind Boals

Agreed. This team has the chance to be .500 or better in MAC play....IF all of those guys are able to play most of the rest of the season.
I'm super optimistic and excited where this program is right now ... ahead of my expectations for sure.

But I struggle to find 9 MAC wins. Not saying it's impossible ...

But ...

Home & homes with Kent, Akron, UB & BG ... that's 3-5 at best?

Miami probably a split?

WMU & EMU home & home ... 2-2 at best?

At NIU, at Ball, vs CMU, vs Toledo ... 2-2 at best

I think anything better than 6-12 is great for this program.

If they get to 9-9 ... or better, it would be amazing.

I'm not ruling it out ... I'm just being realistic in my mind

It will be a fun watch no matter what tho ... and that's a welcome change from last couple years
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OU_Country
12/19/2019 10:36 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
I'm super optimistic and excited where this program is right now ... ahead of my expectations for sure.

But I struggle to find 9 MAC wins. Not saying it's impossible ...

But ...

Home & homes with Kent, Akron, UB & BG ... that's 3-5 at best?

Miami probably a split?

WMU & EMU home & home ... 2-2 at best?

At NIU, at Ball, vs CMU, vs Toledo ... 2-2 at best

I think anything better than 6-12 is great for this program.

If they get to 9-9 ... or better, it would be amazing.

I'm not ruling it out ... I'm just being realistic in my mind

It will be a fun watch no matter what tho ... and that's a welcome change from last couple years
I think this team, with an adequate number of healthy bodies, is better than 6-12. Without healthy bodies, it'll be tough to pull off.
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FearLeon
12/19/2019 11:30 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I'm super optimistic and excited where this program is right now ... ahead of my expectations for sure.

But I struggle to find 9 MAC wins. Not saying it's impossible ...

But ...

Home & homes with Kent, Akron, UB & BG ... that's 3-5 at best?

Miami probably a split?

WMU & EMU home & home ... 2-2 at best?

At NIU, at Ball, vs CMU, vs Toledo ... 2-2 at best

I think anything better than 6-12 is great for this program.

If they get to 9-9 ... or better, it would be amazing.

I'm not ruling it out ... I'm just being realistic in my mind

It will be a fun watch no matter what tho ... and that's a welcome change from last couple years
I think this team, with an adequate number of healthy bodies, is better than 6-12. Without healthy bodies, it'll be tough to pull off.
Agree. If we have to go with the players dressed for Purdue the rest of the way, I can easily see 6-12. Obviously, we expect to get some guys back. If not, 6-12 is not out of the question. Speaking of which is Murrell allowed to redshirt after being a JUCO transfer?
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