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OU_Country
1/27/2021 10:42 AM
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I just wish I was leaving the office right now to drive down to Athens, get some dinner uptown, and head to the game. Going thru serious Convo withdrawal.
You and me both brother. Can't wait to fly back for a game as soon as possible.

As much as I like Shaka Smart, watching Texas basketball and the fans apathetic nature towards it compared to football brings my mood down.

I need my Convo fix.
I third the motion.
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Ted Thompson
1/27/2021 12:34 PM

 

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Marty Bannister
1/27/2021 3:06 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I just wish I was leaving the office right now to drive down to Athens, get some dinner uptown, and head to the game. Going thru serious Convo withdrawal.
You and me both brother. Can't wait to fly back for a game as soon as possible.

As much as I like Shaka Smart, watching Texas basketball and the fans apathetic nature towards it compared to football brings my mood down.

I need my Convo fix.
I third the motion.

Speaking from an announcers standpoint....I can't wait to have you fans back in the Convo, and other buildings, as well. As much as players "play off" the energy a crowd provides...it's a similar feeling for broadcasters (at least for me and those I've talked with). The fan interactions prior and after games are sorely missed, and the roar of the crowd adds so much to anyone's call. I listened to another MAC broadcast Tuesday driving home from Athens, and they were not at the game site. While the call was still good, it sounded like what it was, two guys in front of a monitor in a room. While fully understanding why arenas are not open to the general public, I can't wait to see, and hear, you fans back in the stands.
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OU_Country
1/27/2021 3:24 PM
Thanks for chiming in Marty!

The lack of the roar of the crowd makes it harder for me to be interested in watching beyond the teams I support, which for me is a big change from past years when it comes to college basketball.
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Pataskala
1/27/2021 3:54 PM
You know, Marty, one real problem for announcers sitting in front of a monitor instead of being at the game is field of vision. What they see may be strictly limited to what the camera sees. So often announcers see things like players going down or coaches working refs that just don't show up on the monitor. Having remote announcers takes away from the flavor that announcers can add to broadcasts. That's one reason why games with remote announcers sound so bland. Unfortunately, we might see more of it in the future as networks try to cut the cost of doing "lesser" conference games. It reduces travel costs, and might even allow them to use some announcers more frequently.
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Marty Bannister
1/27/2021 4:20 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
You know, Marty, one real problem for announcers sitting in front of a monitor instead of being at the game is field of vision. What they see may be strictly limited to what the camera sees. So often announcers see things like players going down or coaches working refs that just don't show up on the monitor. Having remote announcers takes away from the flavor that announcers can add to broadcasts. That's one reason why games with remote announcers sound so bland. Unfortunately, we might see more of it in the future as networks try to cut the cost of doing "lesser" conference games. It reduces travel costs, and might even allow them to use some announcers more frequently.
That is a real worry of mine. My friends on the Ohio State Radio Network have the advantage of having extra sound/effects piped in to their broadcasts, and calling games from state of the art video production facilities, and most Power 5's have that edge as well. That gives their in studio calls more "authenticity" if you will. Many have said they can't tell the difference, but most of us in the business, and Russ and I have had this discussion, can tell the difference. So much is lost on the call for announcers not being on site, and it's not fair to the viewer/listener. Schools without the available assets are doing the best they
can, but it's not a good situation. The Big Ten Network has actually been doing games with announcers in studio for a number of years, but it's not the major viewership sports, such as football and men's hoops, but women's basketball, baseball, softball, etc,. It's a troubling trend, in my opinion, but seems to be a bigger part of the future of our business
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shabamon
1/27/2021 5:24 PM
Other than the Big 12 and SEC where they're letting in like 2,000 people, every college basketball game feels like the seventh place game on day 3 of one of those early season tournaments in Jamaica or Myrtle Beach.
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Alan Swank
1/27/2021 5:59 PM
Marty Bannister wrote:expand_more
You know, Marty, one real problem for announcers sitting in front of a monitor instead of being at the game is field of vision. What they see may be strictly limited to what the camera sees. So often announcers see things like players going down or coaches working refs that just don't show up on the monitor. Having remote announcers takes away from the flavor that announcers can add to broadcasts. That's one reason why games with remote announcers sound so bland. Unfortunately, we might see more of it in the future as networks try to cut the cost of doing "lesser" conference games. It reduces travel costs, and might even allow them to use some announcers more frequently.
That is a real worry of mine. My friends on the Ohio State Radio Network have the advantage of having extra sound/effects piped in to their broadcasts, and calling games from state of the art video production facilities, and most Power 5's have that edge as well. That gives their in studio calls more "authenticity" if you will. Many have said they can't tell the difference, but most of us in the business, and Russ and I have had this discussion, can tell the difference. So much is lost on the call for announcers not being on site, and it's not fair to the viewer/listener. Schools without the available assets are doing the best they
can, but it's not a good situation. The Big Ten Network has actually been doing games with announcers in studio for a number of years, but it's not the major viewership sports, such as football and men's hoops, but women's basketball, baseball, softball, etc,. It's a troubling trend, in my opinion, but seems to be a bigger part of the future of our business
When you have to announce off site, how many monitors are you able to watch? In otherwords, can you see all of the camera angles at the same time or jjust the produced feed that viewers at home are seeing?
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Ohio69
1/27/2021 6:07 PM
Man. Who wants to do play by play sitting in a sound booth in some basement? Ugh....
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Marty Bannister
1/27/2021 7:04 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
You know, Marty, one real problem for announcers sitting in front of a monitor instead of being at the game is field of vision. What they see may be strictly limited to what the camera sees. So often announcers see things like players going down or coaches working refs that just don't show up on the monitor. Having remote announcers takes away from the flavor that announcers can add to broadcasts. That's one reason why games with remote announcers sound so bland. Unfortunately, we might see more of it in the future as networks try to cut the cost of doing "lesser" conference games. It reduces travel costs, and might even allow them to use some announcers more frequently.
That is a real worry of mine. My friends on the Ohio State Radio Network have the advantage of having extra sound/effects piped in to their broadcasts, and calling games from state of the art video production facilities, and most Power 5's have that edge as well. That gives their in studio calls more "authenticity" if you will. Many have said they can't tell the difference, but most of us in the business, and Russ and I have had this discussion, can tell the difference. So much is lost on the call for announcers not being on site, and it's not fair to the viewer/listener. Schools without the available assets are doing the best they
can, but it's not a good situation. The Big Ten Network has actually been doing games with announcers in studio for a number of years, but it's not the major viewership sports, such as football and men's hoops, but women's basketball, baseball, softball, etc,. It's a troubling trend, in my opinion, but seems to be a bigger part of the future of our business
When you have to announce off site, how many monitors are you able to watch? In otherwords, can you see all of the camera angles at the same time or jjust the produced feed that viewers at home are seeing?

It really depends on the schools and/or networks availability to get access to monitors. As I mentioned earlier, Ohio St Radio, for example, has access to the Schottenstein Center's state of the art video center, and use basic flat screens with the TV broadcast. Most of the crowd noise is computer generated, I can't say for certain what they have to use, but it's likely more than others. The NFL radio crews have monitors with different angles, and I've heard the "clean feed", with no announcers but just stadium sound, was made available. I've sampled other Power 5 radio crews, and some have effects pumped in, but have recorded effects as a standby. The MAC radio call I heard the other night was void of any extra noise, and while the PBP call was good, it sounded as I said, like a couple of guys in front of a monitor. Hope that helps........
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bobcatsquared
1/27/2021 7:30 PM
Columbus Crew has been doing this for road games for years. Definitely noticeable and not in a good way.

Speaking of announcers in the arena being able to see things not shown on TV: I think it was Dickie V or Billie Packer (or both) who was good at seeing a coach telling a bench player off camera to go to the scorer's table and report in. He would "predict" what personnel decision the coach should make just seconds before the camera picks up the player entering the game. Made him look like a genius.
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GroverBall
1/27/2021 9:32 PM
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I remember when I brought this same concept up about three or four years ago. It went well for me then. (insert snarky face emoji)

That aside, I agree with you. I enjoy getting observations from folks who are far smarter than I about the nuances of coaching and playing the game itself. I've learned many things here over the years as a result. For example, until sometime in the 2011-12 season, I had no clue what it meant to "hedge", or I never paid attention to how good big's seal off with their positioning to create open space for a low post shot (Reggie became good at that in his last two years). I learned that here. We need more of that here, in my opinion, as we move forward.

Just my 18.04 cents. [/QUOTE]+1. Even the official chat during the WMU game was more like a 50 year reunion than a game focus. I understand catching up with old friends, but inside jokes/ribbing constantly in a game chat?
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JSF
1/27/2021 9:42 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
As much as I like Shaka Smart, watching Texas basketball and the fans apathetic nature towards it compared to football brings my mood down.
That's what you get for living in Austin.
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