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cc-cat
1/19/2021 1:14 PM
And until last season, Groce hadn't sniffed success since. Team had some special players.
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ohiocatfan1
1/19/2021 1:21 PM
It's amazing to me that JC keeps getting jobs. He's had no real success anywhere.
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shabamon
1/19/2021 2:04 PM
It's unreasonable to have expected a return to the tourney in 2013. We won the MAC title by one point the previous year, got a couple favorable draws in Nashville, and had a fun ride. A year later, DJ is top ten in the country in APG, for a chunk of the year, Reggie led the country in shooting percentage, and we finished the year #1 in APG. The only MAC team to beat us was Akron, who was really freaking good, too. We walloped WMU in the semis but couldn't hit the beach from the ocean in the final. The performance in the NIT was poor, but by and large, 2013 was very good.

That 2014 team played hard, man. That was the best energy/effort year I've seen since I've been a fan of the program. There were plenty of injury problems throughout the year and while I don't think the team was as well coached tactically as Groce teams, I still look at Christian's time with us as a net positive. That the following year was so bad is an indictment on Saul Phillips. Two senior point guards and a 6'9'' NBA ath-a-lete winning only 10 games is not Jim Christian's fault.
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GoCats105
1/19/2021 2:18 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
It's unreasonable to have expected a return to the tourney in 2013. We won the MAC title by one point the previous year, got a couple favorable draws in Nashville, and had a fun ride. A year later, DJ is top ten in the country in APG, for a chunk of the year, Reggie led the country in shooting percentage, and we finished the year #1 in APG. The only MAC team to beat us was Akron, who was really freaking good, too. We walloped WMU in the semis but couldn't hit the beach from the ocean in the final. The performance in the NIT was poor, but by and large, 2013 was very good.

That 2014 team played hard, man. That was the best energy/effort year I've seen since I've been a fan of the program. There were plenty of injury problems throughout the year and while I don't think the team was as well coached tactically as Groce teams, I still look at Christian's time with us as a net positive. That the following year was so bad is an indictment on Saul Phillips. Two senior point guards and a 6'9'' NBA ath-a-lete winning only 10 games is not Jim Christian's fault.
I'm just thinking of all the talent that played here between the Christian and Phillips' eras and my jaw is dropping because...man did we leave a lot on the table.

DJ Cooper
Walt Offutt
Nick Kellogg
Ivo Baltic
John Smith
Stevie Taylor
Maurice N'Dour
Ryan Taylor
Mike Laster
Jaaron Simmons
Kenny Kaminski
Tony Campbell
Jason Carter
Jordan Dartis
Ben Vander Plas
Jason Preston

And that's not even mentioning glue guys like Johnson, Hall, Setty, Wilkins and Block. Blame it on whomever you want, but we certainly had some dudes. That list is full of All-MAC first and second team caliber players, with the right coaching.
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FearLeon
1/19/2021 2:52 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
It's unreasonable to have expected a return to the tourney in 2013. We won the MAC title by one point the previous year, got a couple favorable draws in Nashville, and had a fun ride. A year later, DJ is top ten in the country in APG, for a chunk of the year, Reggie led the country in shooting percentage, and we finished the year #1 in APG. The only MAC team to beat us was Akron, who was really freaking good, too. We walloped WMU in the semis but couldn't hit the beach from the ocean in the final. The performance in the NIT was poor, but by and large, 2013 was very good.

That 2014 team played hard, man. That was the best energy/effort year I've seen since I've been a fan of the program. There were plenty of injury problems throughout the year and while I don't think the team was as well coached tactically as Groce teams, I still look at Christian's time with us as a net positive. That the following year was so bad is an indictment on Saul Phillips. Two senior point guards and a 6'9'' NBA ath-a-lete winning only 10 games is not Jim Christian's fault.
I'm just thinking of all the talent that played here between the Christian and Phillips' eras and my jaw is dropping because...man did we leave a lot on the table.

DJ Cooper
Walt Offutt
Nick Kellogg
Ivo Baltic
John Smith
Stevie Taylor
Maurice N'Dour
Ryan Taylor
Mike Laster
Jaaron Simmons
Kenny Kaminski
Tony Campbell
Jason Carter
Jordan Dartis
Ben Vander Plas
Jason Preston

And that's not even mentioning glue guys like Johnson, Hall, Setty, Wilkins and Block. Blame it on whomever you want, but we certainly had some dudes. That list is full of All-MAC first and second team caliber players, with the right coaching.
My biggest fear is that somehow the Preston years are wasted. Granted March getting canceled last year wasn't Ohio's fault.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
1/19/2021 3:29 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
It's unreasonable to have expected a return to the tourney in 2013. We won the MAC title by one point the previous year, got a couple favorable draws in Nashville, and had a fun ride. A year later, DJ is top ten in the country in APG, for a chunk of the year, Reggie led the country in shooting percentage, and we finished the year #1 in APG. The only MAC team to beat us was Akron, who was really freaking good, too. We walloped WMU in the semis but couldn't hit the beach from the ocean in the final. The performance in the NIT was poor, but by and large, 2013 was very good.

That 2014 team played hard, man. That was the best energy/effort year I've seen since I've been a fan of the program. There were plenty of injury problems throughout the year and while I don't think the team was as well coached tactically as Groce teams, I still look at Christian's time with us as a net positive. That the following year was so bad is an indictment on Saul Phillips. Two senior point guards and a 6'9'' NBA ath-a-lete winning only 10 games is not Jim Christian's fault.
This is exactly right. A lot of people here seem to have set the expectation for Jim Christian at NCAA tournament or bust.

He delivered our first MAC Regular Season #1 finish since 1994. If we shoot 40% from three in the final, we win. Instead we went 1 of 20. Is what it is.
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Pataskala
1/19/2021 4:03 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year.

The year before, we shot 9 of 21.

That was basically the difference.
Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive.
I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for.
Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game.
But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
1/19/2021 4:19 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year.

The year before, we shot 9 of 21.

That was basically the difference.
Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive.
I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for.
Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game.
But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half.
Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game.

I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point.
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1/19/2021 5:44 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year.

The year before, we shot 9 of 21.

That was basically the difference.
Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive.
I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for.
Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game.
In theory, yes. In reality, Zeke was picking up DJ almost at full court and completely smothering him. The advantage of Zeke on DJ was greater than any mismatch Reggie could manage. Dambrot waited until the second half to spring it, catching us completely off-guard.
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Pataskala
1/19/2021 5:51 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year.

The year before, we shot 9 of 21.

That was basically the difference.
Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive.
I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for.
Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game.
But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half.
Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game.

I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point.
Which is exactly why Dambrot outcoached Christian in that game. It was a shrewd defensive move that Christian didn't/couldn't have an answer for.
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BillyTheCat
1/20/2021 12:48 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year.

The year before, we shot 9 of 21.

That was basically the difference.
Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive.
I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for.
Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game.
But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half.
Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game.

I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point.
BINGO! You also have to play with the pieces you have. Akron that night after several looks exploited our weaknesses and we were not flexible enough in personnel to make needed adjustments or to counter the game plan of Akron.
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BillyTheCat
1/20/2021 12:49 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year.

The year before, we shot 9 of 21.

That was basically the difference.
Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive.
I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for.
Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game.
But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half.
Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game.

I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point.
Which is exactly why Dambrot outcoached Christian in that game. It was a shrewd defensive move that Christian didn't/couldn't have an answer for.
So John Callapri Jr, how would you have countered this?
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MonroeClassmate
1/20/2021 3:13 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year.

The year before, we shot 9 of 21.

That was basically the difference.
Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive.
I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for.
Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game.
But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half.
Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game.

I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point.
Which is exactly why Dambrot outcoached Christian in that game. It was a shrewd defensive move that Christian didn't/couldn't have an answer for.
You guys see a different game? Zips Nick Harney at 6'8" was the defender on DJ. While Marshall may have switched onto DJ on the high screen it was Harney that played the tough defense.
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Pataskala
1/20/2021 6:21 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
We shot 1 of 20 in the MAC Championship Game from 3 that year.

The year before, we shot 9 of 21.

That was basically the difference.
Reggie was the only reason we were even competitive.
I think that was the game where Dambrot had 7-footer Zeke Marshall guarding DJ because Abreu was suspended for drug dealing. Completely neutralized DJ. Brilliant job of coaching that Christian didn't have an answer for.
Wasn't the answer take advantage of Keely's matchup since he wasn't being guarded by Marshall? It's not a coincidence he was our top guy that game.
But DJ was the straw that stirred the drink. Once he was neutralized the whole offense went dead. DJ was 0-8 from the field, 0-6 from behind the arc. He wound up with three points (all on FTs), six assists and five turnovers. More importantly, he wasn't able to run the offense. The big intangible that DJ brought to the game was his ability to see the whole court and move people into the right spot, so he could find the open man or get free himself. Marshall cut down DJ's vision and used his height and his reach to close up passing lanes. Akron made adjustments on Keely at halftime; he scored 15 of his 19 pts in the first half, and we were outscored 39-17 in the second half.
Sure. But there aren't a lot of coaches who a have a great answer when their best player and the 'straw that stirs the drink' can't deal with length and is completely taken out of the game.

I'm not sure there's a simple adjustment to be made at that point.
Which is exactly why Dambrot outcoached Christian in that game. It was a shrewd defensive move that Christian didn't/couldn't have an answer for.
So John Callapri Jr, how would you have countered this?
I don't get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to make those choices. But sometimes coaches develop strategies that put their opponents in no-win situations. Maybe there wasn't an answer.
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JSF
1/20/2021 7:37 PM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
You guys see a different game? Zips Nick Harney at 6'8" was the defender on DJ. While Marshall may have switched onto DJ on the high screen it was Harney that played the tough defense.
We must have. Marshall was the primary defender in the second half. I talked to Dambrot and Marshall about it face-to-face.
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shabamon
1/21/2021 9:32 AM
My memory also is that Harney guarded Cooper, but it's not important.
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shabamon
2/1/2021 2:06 PM
https://twitter.com/ByDavidTeel/status/1356259090704592896

BC has only eight players available for tomorrow's game with Florida State. Only four of those players are on scholarship. Administration wants them to play.

They're going to get rolled by 100.
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