[/QUOTE]C'mon Maddog, we're all disappointed, I get it. But to say that this 8-5 Bobcat team would get blown out by throwing a bunch of football players on the court is just stupid and disrespectful for all the work these young men put in to be basketball players. It's not superiority that's talking, it's an understanding of what it takes to play the game of basketball. I've played basketball with some pretty good Bobcat football players over the years and I'm confident that reality is in my corner.
[/QUOTE]The "Stupid" and "Disrespectful" comments aside and in the spirit of agreeing to disagree, the point that I am making is that there are far better athletes being recruited into the football program than into the basketball program right now. I truly believe that this basketball team has put in the work and is making the most of their God-given talent (including the coaching staff as well), but I just don't see them being able, as a team, to successfully compete in the MAC this year in basketball; whereas, the football team has been able to compete quite well in the MAC in their chosen sport. I truly, truly hope that you are right and I am wrong, because I derive no joy at all watching my beloved Bobcats play at such a disappointingly low level.

Much to my total disbelief, I have watched Ohio actually become a football school, when, in fact, their basketball program was, if not always greatly feared, respected for many, many years. In just a brief amount of time, it appears that the teeth have been totally ripped out of the Bobcats, and that other MAC teams are now free to come into the Convo and beat us down. I truly fear what the likes of Buffalo and Toledo will do to us at home again.

Maddog13, you got to respect GroverBall's BB IQ, that dude has one mean hook shot. ;-) Seriously, I understand what you were trying to say, but I think you were engaging a degree of hyperbole. This was, after all, the first home game that we've lost, and we have played some decent teams at home, including two C-USA teams, Marshall and FIU. This is not to excuse the extremely poor performance against NIU. I've been raking my brain to see if I can remember an Ohio game where we had poorer foul shooting, and I can't actually remember one as bad -- ever. But maybe there was one and I've blotted it out of memory to preserve my sanity. I had a friend, who attends every game, but is somewhat of a mild manner chap, talk to me at some length about this after church on Sunday. He was completely beside himself with our performance at the foul line. He also thought Saul was on a hot seat, and he's not the kind of guy to say these kinds of things normally. So, I can attest to the fact that the natives are restless. The folks on this board are always restless, so we don't really count in the scheme of things, but the "grass roots" fans do. And, we are seeing some agitation at that level. Again, as I said in another thread, I'm still hoping for a turnaround, and I don't think this one game will define the season, but it was a real stinker by any reckoning!

Sorry but this could be the most ridiculous statement I have ever read. It would be one thing if you said "and give the football players a few moths of practice and they would play an even game with them." But you literally suggested you could pick 5 and throw them on the court tonight and they would "totally school them." I mean you have to slow down and reflect on that statement and realize how ridiculous it is, right?

One question for the folks that say it’s ridiculous and I have no idea what the answer is, but I’m just wondering how many of the football players being discussed actually played high school basketball at a fairly high level? There were some in the past like Darrius Vick who I remember being a pretty good high school B.B. player. ( first team all state his senior year I find).

Years two and three were fine, a lot of fun, and very much like the norm of Ohio Basketball since 1995. That you are unable to enjoy anything besides March success is simply a you problem. Now, if we're talking about the last two years, and the first year, yeah, in general they have been train wrecks - Especially year one, and this year.

+1

Curious if they credited his lane violation as a turnover? I assume they would.

Same here...actually 92 shots. Scary stuff Bobcatsquared for anyone to take this number of shots not named James Harden, LeBron, Steph Curry or Kevin Durant.

He also has a 33% usage rate, highest on the team for regular players, which is also near the top of the country.

So what does that tell us coupled with the mind-boggling stats of TOs and shots attempted?

I'll let you guys figure that out...

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/ohio/2019.html

His win shares per 40 minutes is 11th on the team (8th out of the regular rotation). That is unreal for a starter who plays as much as he does.

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And I would just like to reiterate that none of us here, at least I think none of us, are banging on TK for being a bad player. He's absolutely not. But the staff has put him in a position where he's not excelling. He could absolutely work on his game and get better, but at this point it's like a square peg in a round hole.

Posting someone's statistics is not throwing someone under a bus.

So embarrassing him in front of the whole world is ok ? like I said, nice message you all are sending to other recruits and their families, by posting negative things about young men that chose Ohio.

I agree this thread is inappropriate. The kid is playing his ass off. Seems like a committed, articulate young man and good teammate. Just struggling in a few (key) respects. Not his fault we recruited him for the wrong position.