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100%Cat
10/20/2025 11:22 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I know it’s only an exhibition game….but….is it a bad sign when a player on full scholarship in his second year in the program doesn’t see one second on the floor against Wright State?

#AydenEvans
Boals jumped him kinda hard at the HOCO public practice. Evans appeared to think he got fouled on the offensive end, was lackadaisical getting back, Boals interrupted and screamed (to the best of my memory), “HEY! THAT CAN’T HAPPEN!”

Obviously these are big kids and they’re getting coached. I was still a little surprised to see that kind of reaction at an open public practice.
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GraffZ06
10/20/2025 11:29 PM
I'll say this. I'm not freaking out because its the first exhibition game.

I'll also this, if the purpose of exhibition games is to find the things you need to work on then this game accomplished that in spades.

What a brutal game to watch in person.

This roster has talent. This roster has serious composition issues. You can not start 3 guys under 6'3. Simmons isn't a 5. Hadaway isn't a 3.

Boals may have to sacrifice the "best 5 individuals" for the best "group of 5".

Also Wright St was more disciplined and more physical than us. It bothered us and it was obvious. Thats unacceptable in June let alone October. Not impressed.
Last Edited: 10/20/2025 11:31:52 PM by GraffZ06
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bobcatsquared
10/21/2025 12:57 AM
I'm not sure what Simmons is if he isn't a 5.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/21/2025 7:52 AM
Curious -- for those that watched, his stuff Burris and Connors look? Anything from Carter Reese, Fisher or the other freshman wing (I forget which one of out for the year).

Definitely feels like a bad sign that Sheldon is in the first 5. I didn't have super high hopes for the big lineup folks suggested with Hadaway at the 3, but I was hopeful we'd find started minutes from someone longer/stronger than Sheldon.
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FearLeon
10/21/2025 7:58 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Curious -- for those that watched, his stuff Burris and Connors look? Anything from Carter Reese, Fisher or the other freshman wing (I forget which one of out for the year).

Definitely feels like a bad sign that Sheldon is in the first 5. I didn't have super high hopes for the big lineup folks suggested with Hadaway at the 3, but I was hopeful we'd find started minutes from someone longer/stronger than Sheldon.
Didn’t see the game, but listened to it. As for “walking bucket” aka Jesse Burris…he was 0-3 from the field in his debut. Not concerned though as I did hear for months that walking bucket averaged 52 points per game in an Ohio Summer League.

Not sure how we survive the season if Sheldon is starting all year. He plays hard, but what has Sheldon shown over the last 32+ games to make Boals think he’s a starter? He’s making Tommy Schmock look like Larry Bird. Honestly, I was surprised to see him back on the roster this season. Hope he figures out his BRod shooting woes, but I’ve been saying this for 33 games now.
Last Edited: 10/21/2025 8:09:32 AM by FearLeon
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Bobcat Jerry
10/21/2025 8:01 AM
There's always next year !
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/21/2025 8:05 AM
Looking at the box score, and we're not going anywhere this year if Hadaway leads the team in FGA. He does a lot of good things on the floor and he's a very important piece for us, but he's not a lead scorer.

Seems like Simmons and Pavs should be running pick and rolls and be 1 and 1a, with Elliot the ideal option for secondary actions. He can be very good catching passes as guys are closing out with his quickness and athleticism. All three of those guys get to the line and make free throws.

Sheldon as many 3s as Pavs took shots is truly insane. Especially when he's 1-7.
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Andrew Ruck
10/21/2025 8:09 AM
Sheldon 1 for 7 from 3 is my troubling takeaway. We can't have our supposed go-to sharpshooter post another 28% year behind the arc. I still really like him more than most as a complete player, but he has to be able to hit the outside shot.

Also troubling nugget, Simmons fouling out in just 22 minutes of play and Breath nearly fouling out in 17 minutes of play. Third troubling item, JP with 0 assists.

Looking at the box score, Boals sure seemed to play to win. Overall seems like it was a 24-25 season type game...winnable mediocre at best opponent and we can't get over the hump with bad outside shooting, bigs foul trouble, and limited successful ball distribution from the guards.

But also agree we shan't panic over a random scrimmage.
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Andrew Ruck
10/21/2025 8:13 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I know it’s only an exhibition game….but….is it a bad sign when a player on full scholarship in his second year in the program doesn’t see one second on the floor against Wright State?

#AydenEvans
Your obsession over the back end of the roster persists. Scholarship player being unable to crack thru to the rotation is a normal thing. You hope each player progresses and makes an impact, but should understand there is no 13 man rotation and it's gonna happen.
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rollbobbies
10/21/2025 8:28 AM
rollbobbies wrote:expand_more
Alright attendees, we need some details!

Score, starters, playing time, etc. Feed me!
Definitely thought this game was Sunday night, which is why I posted this Monday morning. Whoops lol.

Either way, not the most positive start we could've imagined on the board but let's just hope at least some of the playing time questions are just due to other guys being new to the program. Maybe Conners is still figuring some things out in a new place, and Burris and Kelley are obviously freshmen that I doubt Boals wants to throw out there for 25 minutes in their first college experience.

I'd agree though, the questions coming in still remains the question in my head. Will one of Elliott, Burris, Conners, or Sheldon become a consistent and reliable threat as a scoring option. Doesn't sound like there's much confidence in any of those at the moment if Sheldon is getting 33 minutes and going 1-7.

A box score observation, looks like Kuany subbed in for Hadaway exclusively, and Breath subbed in for Simmons exclusively. I'm assuming that means Kuany looks like a 4 exclusively, and Simmons looks like a 5 exclusively? Does it look like there's any hope for Kuany at the 3 ever? Or Simmons at the 4 with Breath? I've been hesitant to agree with anyone thinking Hadaway could play the 3, but was holding out some hope for Kuany there with Hadaway plus a 5, or possibly being able to play Simmons and Breath together at 4/5 if Simmons could play on the perimeter at all.

One other box score note to keep in mind, Simmons only played 23 minutes with what I'm assuming was some foul trouble. That (hopefully) won't be the norm.
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Bobcat1998
10/21/2025 8:29 AM
It.
Is.
A.
Scrimmage.
Need we play the Allen Iverson clip? We talkin' 'bout a scrimmage? We ain't talkin' about a real game. We talkin' about a scrimmage.
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berniebobcat
10/21/2025 8:30 AM
This is my annual comment at this point of the season. No one will remember anything about this game (exhibition) a month from now. What I do remember is that in our NCAA years players evolved and chemistry developed over time. If the coaches are good (I think they are) and the talent is there (Jury’s still out) there’s no reason to believe that this can’t be one of those years.
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FJC31
10/21/2025 8:43 AM
Never forget when Devon Baker dropped 21 against UC in a scrimmage W. Can only take these exhibitions so seriously.

The MAC is wide open and we have the pieces. I think what’s more interesting than the results, is how Boals plans to deploy and coach his roster this year. Will he continue to try and fit squares into round holes when he doesn’t have to? A la Simmons at the 5 and Breath off the bench. I get this forces Hadaway to the 3, but it mitigates our rebounding woes.

Will he stay too loyal to Sheldon (who apparently is starting)? Or will he give Connors or Burris (or a freshman) more minutes or even replace Sheldon quickly as a starter if the shot doesn’t return?

I think Elliott is one of our best players, but I don’t like the fit alongside Pavs as a starter. The beauty in the team that beat Virginia was not just Preston/BVP, but how well all those pieces worked. I think there’s a lot to like on this roster, I just hope Boals puts together the right combos because I’m not sure last nights starting 5 is it.
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FearLeon
10/21/2025 9:08 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
I know it’s only an exhibition game….but….is it a bad sign when a player on full scholarship in his second year in the program doesn’t see one second on the floor against Wright State?

#AydenEvans
Your obsession over the back end of the roster persists. Scholarship player being unable to crack thru to the rotation is a normal thing. You hope each player progresses and makes an impact, but should understand there is no 13 man rotation and it's gonna happen.
Obsession?

I never expected Evans to come in and be Wilt Chamberlain. But I find it concerning that a 6-10 guy on full scholarship in year two can’t see the floor in a scrimmage against Wright State. By all accounts, Evans was a highly touted big. He shouldn’t be on the back end of the roster. Especially in year two. It’s fair to question what is going on here with his development and if he will ever contribute.

I’m sure I’m not the only one with the same thoughts.
Last Edited: 10/21/2025 9:15:36 AM by FearLeon
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SBH
10/21/2025 9:26 AM
FJC31 wrote:expand_more
Will he continue to try and fit squares into round holes when he doesn’t have to? A la Simmons at the 5 and Breath off the bench. I get this forces Hadaway to the 3, but it mitigates our rebounding woes.
There was no mitigation of rebounding woes last night. Same inability to box out. Same lack of effort.

Simmons looks out of shape. 10 pounds too heavy, 2 steps slow. Cannot elevate - got multiple shops blocked last night.

Problem with Sheldon (besides pathetic defense off the dribble) is that when he starts and isn't hitting shots, the "logical" thing to do is leave him in there to get in the groove. But it never happens. He needs to come off the bench as an energy boost - but, again, if he's not hitting shots he needs to sit down. His shot mechanics are a mess.

Hadaway needs to become a senior leader. He was very immature last night - arguing with refs and opposing fans. It was a circus. Zero composure shown by Hadaway and Simmons.

Boals' face was bright red at the end. I hope it was out of embarrassment.
Last Edited: 10/21/2025 9:27:19 AM by SBH
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Andrew Ruck
10/21/2025 9:32 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I know it’s only an exhibition game….but….is it a bad sign when a player on full scholarship in his second year in the program doesn’t see one second on the floor against Wright State?

#AydenEvans
Your obsession over the back end of the roster persists. Scholarship player being unable to crack thru to the rotation is a normal thing. You hope each player progresses and makes an impact, but should understand there is no 13 man rotation and it's gonna happen.
Obsession?

I never expected Evans to come in and be Wilt Chamberlain. But I find it concerning that a 6-10 guy on full scholarship in year two can’t see the floor in a scrimmage against Wright State. By all accounts, Evans was a highly touted big. He shouldn’t be on the back end of the roster. Especially in year two. It’s fair to question what is going on here with his development and if he will ever contribute.

I’m sure I’m not the only one with the same thoughts.
And if Evans was in the rotation, some other scholarship player would not be and you'd point that out and voice concerns over it. Your points aren't wrong, it is just a theme every season for you to key in on.
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GraffZ06
10/21/2025 9:33 AM
Let's hope Boals either hasn't installed a bunch on the offensive side yet. Or he didnt want to put anything but vanilla on tape for an exhibition game.

You never know in these pre season games whats the strategy or what's being worked on.

This is what I will tell myself to make myself feel better.

Sure felt like we played to win though. If thats true. Oof.

Nobody on 2nd unit jumped out as demanding a ton more minutes based on just last night either.
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BillyTheCat
10/21/2025 9:37 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I know it’s only an exhibition game….but….is it a bad sign when a player on full scholarship in his second year in the program doesn’t see one second on the floor against Wright State?

#AydenEvans
Your obsession over the back end of the roster persists. Scholarship player being unable to crack thru to the rotation is a normal thing. You hope each player progresses and makes an impact, but should understand there is no 13 man rotation and it's gonna happen.
Obsession?

I never expected Evans to come in and be Wilt Chamberlain. But I find it concerning that a 6-10 guy on full scholarship in year two can’t see the floor in a scrimmage against Wright State. By all accounts, Evans was a highly touted big. He shouldn’t be on the back end of the roster. Especially in year two. It’s fair to question what is going on here with his development and if he will ever contribute.

I’m sure I’m not the only one with the same thoughts.

One thing is always for sure, you will definitely question it, and everything else.
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FJC31
10/21/2025 9:41 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Will he continue to try and fit squares into round holes when he doesn’t have to? A la Simmons at the 5 and Breath off the bench. I get this forces Hadaway to the 3, but it mitigates our rebounding woes.
There was no mitigation of rebounding woes last night. Same inability to box out. Same lack of effort.

[/QUOTE]I was hoping playing all three at once would help offset this.

[/QUOTE]Simmons looks out of shape. 10 pounds too heavy, 2 steps slow. Cannot elevate - got multiple shops blocked last night.

[/QUOTE]This would be concerning and is disappointing to read, given Simmons was the big offseason portal get.

[/QUOTE]Problem with Sheldon (besides pathetic defense off the dribble) is that when he starts and isn't hitting shots, the "logical" thing to do is leave him in there to get in the groove. But it never happens. He needs to come off the bench as an energy boost - but, again, if he's not hitting shots he needs to sit down. His shot mechanics are a mess.

[/QUOTE]Agreed on your assessment. I take it he's still playing Curry ball and kicking his legs out from underneath/fading with every shot?


[/QUOTE]Hadaway needs to become a senior leader. He was very immature last night - arguing with refs and opposing fans. It was a circus. Zero composure shown by Hadaway and Simmons.

Boals' face was bright red at the end. I hope it was out of embarrassment.
I would have hoped by now (his senior year) Hadaway is more control of his emotions. I love the passion and intensity he plays with, but harnessing this towards fans and refs would do him wonders.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/21/2025 9:50 AM
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Simmons looks out of shape. 10 pounds too heavy, 2 steps slow. Cannot elevate - got multiple shops blocked last night.
We haven't played any games yet. Not too worried about a big not being in game shape.
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shabamon
10/21/2025 10:15 AM
This game could have swung wildly in either direction if one of these teams could make a free throw. How on Earth do we have two teams of scholarship basketball players who can't go 60% from the line in a neutral site exhibition game with only 2500 people in the building?

I'd be interested in knowing the vision that was sold to Simmons and Breath and whether we are on schedule for that vision. I was under the impression Simmons left Toledo to play more of the 4 spot, but then he and Breath were never on the floor together last night. Would agree that Simmons looks heavy. If you want to be a 4, it would help if you're closer to 225 than 250.

Evans is in year 2, not 3, but as I said about Ben Nicol, if you're healthy you need to be usable in year 2. At some point the criticism is valid about this staff and developing young bigs. Colin Granger, Nolan Foster, AJ Clayton who was effective doing non-big stuff. And now possibly Evans.

Ajay Sheldon cannot be a starting shooting guard. The one or two hustle plays a game are not enough overcome 1-7 from three, especially at his size. He got crossed hard late for a step back dagger. If we want to be a three-guard lineup, give those minutes to Conners who I thought was supposed to be the volume shooter. Or start investing in Burris.

I can't parse the box score, but I would be surprised if we attempted more than five threes in the second half. Didn't appear that we ran actions well enough to produce some good looks. Where was the drive and kick? Skip pass? Feed the guy curling around a high screen? As such, someone like Conners was nothing more than a warm body.

Elliott, quietly, had a productive game. 4-7 from the field, 5-7 from the line, 5 boards, 2 steals. He has some ability to penetrate and get fouled at the rim. More please.

And lastly, this program needs a true offensive alpha, as I said last night. I don't know who that could be on this year's roster. That Callaghan guy for Wright, who made the dagger plays in the final minutes - I don't know who has that in them for us this year. From what I saw of Xavier Mckinney last year at Reynoldsburg, he will probably be that guy, but that's probably two years away.
Last Edited: 10/21/2025 10:28:27 AM by shabamon
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/21/2025 11:48 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
By all accounts, Evans was a highly touted big. He shouldn’t be on the back end of the roster. Especially in year two. It’s fair to question what is going on here with his development and if he will ever contribute.
I'm pretty squarely on team "Evans won't ever contribute" -- I won't rehash all of the reasons why, as I've shared them plenty.

But I think people vastly over-index on recruiting rankings. They're vaguely useful before somebody shows up on campus; but as soon as they're here, all that matters is what they do on the court. But the lower somebody's recruiting ranking, the less valuable they are. Top 100 prospects get scouted endlessly by the best scouts. But often the rankings for players we get are much more of a crapshoot.

And Evans on-court production's been very poor.
Last Edited: 10/21/2025 11:59:45 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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MonroeClassmate
10/21/2025 12:37 PM
Listening to the game with the Wright State broadcast team was somewhat interesting other than getting to hear Ohio U constantly. They seemed to be as non-biased as possible like they were not only on a neutral court but neutral in their comments.

I got that the one announcer, the former head coach for Wright State really likes Elliott and seemed amazed at his steals and field goals and getting to the line when covering his play late in the game. This announcer also thought Pav's with Elliott would be a handful for opposing teams to cover. This announcer also said he thought the defense of both teams was stellar. Perhaps all Boals was looking for was increased defense this year over last in this game. The announcer also glowed about Elliott closing on a three shooter so quickly so perhaps the high total of successful threes seen by opponents last year is trending down as Wright State didn't convert on a high percentage last night.

Who says Hadaway cannot be a three, he made his first two 3's after all. He rebounded well but the running box score showed his fellow Bobcats gave up a high number of offensive rebounds.
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Ted Thompson
10/21/2025 12:52 PM

My 2 cents. I understand it was an exhibition game. It was an exhibition of bad basketball by both teams.

- The officials weren't calling anything the first 10 minutes of the game. They were allowing defenders to push drivers off the ball and a ton of contact at the rim. This made both offenses not be able to operate and a huge reason for 26-22 halftime score. They started calling fouls in the second half so you ended up with lots of fouls and no flow to game. Also, there were no foul-outs so guys weren't caring about giving fouls. This all contrbuted to the ugly game.

- Starters were Pav, Sheldon, Elliott, Hadaway and Simmons. Obviously, very undersized unit. Expected to see Conners instead of Sheldon in starting lineup.

- Again, just an exhibition, but you wonder where offense is going to come from. Thought Conners might help fill AJB gap, but he only played 9 minutes.

- Simmons struggled to finish. Hopefully, it was just excessive amount of contact that was being allowed.

- Burris. Took a couple of threes that were probably one step beyond where he would like to be shooting.

- Kelly only 6 minutes but WSU player tried to back him down and Kelly held his own.

- Kuany showed some potential. Still very raw and hesitant out there.

- Evans, Fisher, Reese - DNP (coach's decision). Concerning that in Year 2 Evans can't get minutes in first exhibition game.

- Pav and Elliott looked like they picked up where they left off last year. Good thing.

- Hadaway - I was embarassed by his act. Needs to be a leader out there instead of sucking teammates' energy to calm him down.

- Sheldon - yikes. Obviously need the 24 version of him not the 25 version. Got the 25 version last night. Never really set on his threes. His one make was a toes-on-the-line, feet-set, rhythm three. But late in second half he had a sequence where he brings the ball up the court and pops a lean-in 30-footer. Ohio gets the rebound, passes back to him and he takes a lean-in 25-footer. Last year, all we saw were these type of heat-check threes but without the heat first. Led the team with 33 minutes played, don't get it.

- Breath - solid out there. Calming influence.

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M.D.W.S.T
10/21/2025 1:12 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
It.
Is.
A.
Scrimmage.
Need we play the Allen Iverson clip? We talkin' 'bout a scrimmage? We ain't talkin' about a real game. We talkin' about a scrimmage.
It’s just a timed practice, but holy Santa Claus shit is Sheldon bad.

1-7 from 3. Picking right up where he left off last season on a 12/60 tear.
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