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Eagle66
12/6/2021 10:20 AM
First NET rankings came out. Here’s how the MAC teams were ranked…

75. Toledo
86. Ohio
112. Buffalo
118. Miami (OH)
127. Kent St.
202. Ball St.
218. Akron
235. Eastern Michigan
239. Bowling Green
312. Western Michigan
324. Northern Illinois
345. Central Michigan

Ohios Non-conference Opponent Ranks

Belmont - 43
Cleveland St. - 206
Robert Morris - 302
Kentucky - 39
Mount St Mary - 307
Concordia - NA
LSU - 2
St. Francis - 200
Stetson - 298
Marshall - 193
USC Upstate - 306


https://stats.ncaa.org/selection_rankings/nitty_gritties/...
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shabamon
12/6/2021 10:47 AM
Quite unfortunate that NIU's win over Washington and Miami's win over Georgia Tech are only Q3 wins.
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greencat
12/6/2021 12:07 PM
Belmont ranked almost dead even with Kentucky?

Officially calling bvll5hit on that. LSU beat Belmont like a rented mule.
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El Gato Roberto
12/6/2021 12:52 PM
This is all vanity. Rankings are meaningless in the MAC. Want to dance? Win it in Cleveland. Same as it ever was.
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GraffZ06
12/6/2021 1:16 PM
El Gato Roberto wrote:expand_more
This is all vanity. Rankings are meaningless in the MAC. Want to dance? Win it in Cleveland. Same as it ever was.
Well, unless you can do something special in non con and carry that success through the regular season, which we didn't do.

But yes you're right. This season, sadly like most others, again comes down to 3 days in Cleveland.

Some day I hope for that not to be the case because for all the history and success we've had, as much investment in coaching salaries and recruiting, until we can get out of the one bid league rut where the whole season hinges on the conference tournament, we're ultimately no different than every other one bid also ran.

We just play better teams and pay more money to get a smaller number on ranking sites, which when combined with $5 will get you a Starbucks coffee.
Last Edited: 12/6/2021 1:20:21 PM by GraffZ06
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OU_Country
12/7/2021 5:11 PM
greencat wrote:expand_more
Belmont ranked almost dead even with Kentucky?

Officially calling bvll5hit on that. LSU beat Belmont like a rented mule.
I'll give you one thing - you're consistent with this Belmont loathing. 😉
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Urban Bobcat
12/7/2021 5:36 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
This is all vanity. Rankings are meaningless in the MAC. Want to dance? Win it in Cleveland. Same as it ever was.
Well, unless you can do something special in non con and carry that success through the regular season, which we didn't do.

But yes you're right. This season, sadly like most others, again comes down to 3 days in Cleveland.

Some day I hope for that not to be the case because for all the history and success we've had, as much investment in coaching salaries and recruiting, until we can get out of the one bid league rut where the whole season hinges on the conference tournament, we're ultimately no different than every other one bid also ran.

We just play better teams and pay more money to get a smaller number on ranking sites, which when combined with $5 will get you a Starbucks coffee.
A flavored SBUX coffee.
Last Edited: 12/7/2021 5:37:04 PM by Urban Bobcat
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Jeff McKinney
12/7/2021 8:53 PM
In Sagarin, the MAC is having an "off" year so far....#16.

Buffalo 74, Ohio 100, Toledo 104. What's killing the league are two teams under 300. Atypical for the MAC.
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The Optimist
12/8/2021 12:01 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
In Sagarin, the MAC is having an "off" year so far....#16.

Buffalo 74, Ohio 100, Toledo 104. What's killing the league are two teams under 300. Atypical for the MAC.
It's crazy how many teams have been added to D-1 in the past 5 years. Up to 358 total with some names I don't recognize (and I used to know them all)

Here are some from the Net Rankings:

206-California Baptist (6-1, lookout!)
250-Tarleton State (0-7 BTW, I'm skeptical they actually belong above 300 lol)
267-Merrimack
284-UTRGV (without looking, my guess is University of Texas, Rio Grande Valley?)
322-Dixie State
329-St. Thomas-Mn. (Are these the guys Mount Union always plays in the football playoffs?)
Last Edited: 12/8/2021 12:10:22 PM by The Optimist
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The Optimist
12/8/2021 12:11 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
In Sagarin, the MAC is having an "off" year so far....#16.

Buffalo 74, Ohio 100, Toledo 104. What's killing the league are two teams under 300. Atypical for the MAC.
It's crazy how many teams have been added to D-1 in the past 5 years. Up to 358 total with some names I don't recognize (and I used to know them all)

Here are some from the Net Rankings:

206-California Baptist (6-1, lookout!)
250-Tarleton State (0-7 BTW, I'm skeptical they actually belong above 300 lol)
267-Merrimack
284-UTRGV (without looking, my guess is University of Texas, Rio Grande Valley?)
322-Dixie State
329-St. Thomas-Mn. (Are these the guys Mount Union always plays in the football playoffs?)
I got it right! The Vaqueros.
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stub
12/8/2021 12:16 PM
Quote:expand_more
It's crazy how many teams have been added to D-1 in the past 5 years. Up to 358 total with some names I don't recognize (and I used to know them all)
One school I know went the other way. The U. of Hartford is going D3 next year after just making the dance for the first time in the school's history. But growing up there I know it was a smart move.
Last Edited: 12/8/2021 5:03:50 PM by stub
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bobcatsquared
12/8/2021 1:45 PM
Dixie St. is located in SW corner of Utah in the beautiful high desert city of St. George, one of the fastest growing areas in that part of the country. Used to visit about once every other year when 2 of my brothers lived there.

Dixie St. used to be a junior college and I believe former Bobcat baller Taren Harbut came to Athens after playing 2 years there.
Last Edited: 12/8/2021 3:03:16 PM by bobcatsquared
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bobcat 2000
12/8/2021 6:17 PM
its sad that days in cleveland decide ohios fate in post seasonb play. that could be avoided if ohio got out of the mac.perhaps the big east,american ,aac ,or conference usa would be just the thing. ohio is capable of competeting weel in any of thgose conferences and could start getting at large bids cause these conferences all offfer up more than one bid
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BillyTheCat
12/9/2021 2:55 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
In Sagarin, the MAC is having an "off" year so far....#16.

Buffalo 74, Ohio 100, Toledo 104. What's killing the league are two teams under 300. Atypical for the MAC.
It's crazy how many teams have been added to D-1 in the past 5 years. Up to 358 total with some names I don't recognize (and I used to know them all)

Here are some from the Net Rankings:

206-California Baptist (6-1, lookout!)
250-Tarleton State (0-7 BTW, I'm skeptical they actually belong above 300 lol)
267-Merrimack
284-UTRGV (without looking, my guess is University of Texas, Rio Grande Valley?)
322-Dixie State
329-St. Thomas-Mn. (Are these the guys Mount Union always plays in the football playoffs?)
St Thomas and Mount met twice. Interesting thing about them is the MIAC just up and booted them two years ago (quite dominant on all DIII sports in that conference. So the Summit invited them, and they appealed to the NCAA for immediate admission to NCAA DI which was granted. So football is in the Patriot League like all the other non-Ivy non-scholarship football programs and all other sports are DI. Very very rare exception!
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BillyTheCat
12/9/2021 2:57 PM
bobcat 2000 wrote:expand_more
its sad that days in cleveland decide ohios fate in post seasonb play. that could be avoided if ohio got out of the mac.perhaps the big east,american ,aac ,or conference usa would be just the thing. ohio is capable of competeting weel in any of thgose conferences and could start getting at large bids cause these conferences all offfer up more than one bid
I agree! If we would build that second deck onto Peden and get capacity up to 40k, I’d think we’d be a no brained for the ACC, AAC at worse.
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The Optimist
12/9/2021 3:11 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
In Sagarin, the MAC is having an "off" year so far....#16.

Buffalo 74, Ohio 100, Toledo 104. What's killing the league are two teams under 300. Atypical for the MAC.
It's crazy how many teams have been added to D-1 in the past 5 years. Up to 358 total with some names I don't recognize (and I used to know them all)

Here are some from the Net Rankings:

206-California Baptist (6-1, lookout!)
250-Tarleton State (0-7 BTW, I'm skeptical they actually belong above 300 lol)
267-Merrimack
284-UTRGV (without looking, my guess is University of Texas, Rio Grande Valley?)
322-Dixie State
329-St. Thomas-Mn. (Are these the guys Mount Union always plays in the football playoffs?)
St Thomas and Mount met twice. Interesting thing about them is the MIAC just up and booted them two years ago (quite dominant on all DIII sports in that conference. So the Summit invited them, and they appealed to the NCAA for immediate admission to NCAA DI which was granted. So football is in the Patriot League like all the other non-Ivy non-scholarship football programs and all other sports are DI. Very very rare exception!
That's an odd sequence of events for sure
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Jeff McKinney
12/9/2021 4:54 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
In Sagarin, the MAC is having an "off" year so far....#16.

Buffalo 74, Ohio 100, Toledo 104. What's killing the league are two teams under 300. Atypical for the MAC.
It's crazy how many teams have been added to D-1 in the past 5 years. Up to 358 total with some names I don't recognize (and I used to know them all)

Here are some from the Net Rankings:

206-California Baptist (6-1, lookout!)
250-Tarleton State (0-7 BTW, I'm skeptical they actually belong above 300 lol)
267-Merrimack
284-UTRGV (without looking, my guess is University of Texas, Rio Grande Valley?)
322-Dixie State
329-St. Thomas-Mn. (Are these the guys Mount Union always plays in the football playoffs?)
St Thomas and Mount met twice. Interesting thing about them is the MIAC just up and booted them two years ago (quite dominant on all DIII sports in that conference. So the Summit invited them, and they appealed to the NCAA for immediate admission to NCAA DI which was granted. So football is in the Patriot League like all the other non-Ivy non-scholarship football programs and all other sports are DI. Very very rare exception!
Pioneer, not Patriot. I see they finished in third place in the Pioneer in football this season. In basketball, I think they'll be competitive in the Summit.

Optimist....you may be thinking of Wisconsin Whitewater.
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BillyTheCat
12/9/2021 8:15 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
In Sagarin, the MAC is having an "off" year so far....#16.

Buffalo 74, Ohio 100, Toledo 104. What's killing the league are two teams under 300. Atypical for the MAC.
It's crazy how many teams have been added to D-1 in the past 5 years. Up to 358 total with some names I don't recognize (and I used to know them all)

Here are some from the Net Rankings:

206-California Baptist (6-1, lookout!)
250-Tarleton State (0-7 BTW, I'm skeptical they actually belong above 300 lol)
267-Merrimack
284-UTRGV (without looking, my guess is University of Texas, Rio Grande Valley?)
322-Dixie State
329-St. Thomas-Mn. (Are these the guys Mount Union always plays in the football playoffs?)
St Thomas and Mount met twice. Interesting thing about them is the MIAC just up and booted them two years ago (quite dominant on all DIII sports in that conference. So the Summit invited them, and they appealed to the NCAA for immediate admission to NCAA DI which was granted. So football is in the Patriot League like all the other non-Ivy non-scholarship football programs and all other sports are DI. Very very rare exception!
Pioneer, not Patriot. I see they finished in third place in the Pioneer in football this season. In basketball, I think they'll be competitive in the Summit.

Optimist....you may be thinking of Wisconsin Whitewater.
Oops, yes! Pioneer! Thanks! I knew better. I believe it’s also the largest private school in a state.
Last Edited: 12/9/2021 8:17:30 PM by BillyTheCat
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Pataskala
12/9/2021 11:16 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
In Sagarin, the MAC is having an "off" year so far....#16.

Buffalo 74, Ohio 100, Toledo 104. What's killing the league are two teams under 300. Atypical for the MAC.
It's crazy how many teams have been added to D-1 in the past 5 years. Up to 358 total with some names I don't recognize (and I used to know them all)

Here are some from the Net Rankings:

206-California Baptist (6-1, lookout!)
250-Tarleton State (0-7 BTW, I'm skeptical they actually belong above 300 lol)
267-Merrimack
284-UTRGV (without looking, my guess is University of Texas, Rio Grande Valley?)
322-Dixie State
329-St. Thomas-Mn. (Are these the guys Mount Union always plays in the football playoffs?)
I got it right! The Vaqueros.
Worth noting that all but St Tom are rated higher than NIU and all are rated higher than CMU. Even the first four are rated higher than WMU.

Dixie and Tarleton are part of the WAC in b-ball and the 1AA/FCS ASUN-WAC Challenge conference in football. The WAC football teams are expected to move up to 1A/FBS within the next ten years.
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Andrew Ruck
12/10/2021 7:33 AM
bobcat 2000 wrote:expand_more
its sad that days in cleveland decide ohios fate in post seasonb play. that could be avoided if ohio got out of the mac.perhaps the big east,american ,aac ,or conference usa would be just the thing. ohio is capable of competeting weel in any of thgose conferences and could start getting at large bids cause these conferences all offfer up more than one bid
Love this guy, even if he is just a plant to make us all look delusional.
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Recovering Journalist
12/10/2021 12:05 PM
bobcat 2000 wrote:expand_more
its sad that days in cleveland decide ohios fate in post seasonb play. that could be avoided if ohio got out of the mac.perhaps the big east,american ,aac ,or conference usa would be just the thing. ohio is capable of competeting weel in any of thgose conferences and could start getting at large bids cause these conferences all offfer up more than one bid
Yeah, it is really dumb of Ohio to reject the invite they get every year from the Big East.
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GraffZ06
12/10/2021 12:56 PM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
its sad that days in cleveland decide ohios fate in post seasonb play. that could be avoided if ohio got out of the mac.perhaps the big east,american ,aac ,or conference usa would be just the thing. ohio is capable of competeting weel in any of thgose conferences and could start getting at large bids cause these conferences all offfer up more than one bid
Yeah, it is really dumb of Ohio to reject the invite they get every year from the Big East.
Catherine said they were holding out for a management position....
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Eagle66
12/10/2021 2:44 PM
Rankings as of this afternoon…

83. Ohio
84. Buffalo
99. Toledo
114. Miami (OH)
144. Kent St.
210. Bowling Green
213. Akron
224. Eastern Michigan
238. Ball St.
315. Western Michigan
325. Northern Illinois
341. Central Michigan

Ohios Non-conference Opponent Ranks

Belmont - 38
Cleveland St. - 201
Robert Morris - 337
Kentucky - 39
Mount St Mary - 300
Concordia - NA
LSU - 2
St. Francis - 243
Stetson - 293
Marshall - 181
USC Upstate - 304
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Turney13
12/11/2021 7:53 AM
SOR (strength of record) - we fair much better
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi/_/view/r...
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