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Topic: Team Shooting Slump
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FearLeon
1/2/2022 11:12 AM
At some point it has to end right? No need to rehash Roderick slump, but let’s take a closer look at BVP and this is mind-boggling. After LSU, BVP was 19-42 from 3. Since then, 3-24. Has BVP fallen in love too much with the step back 25 footer? Would love to see him get more open looks from three where he is set, but I think this has become difficult because teams don’t have to sag on Wilson in the paint.

With all of this said, this team is 10-2. And this is where in my opinion the strength of the coaching staff is showing. They’ve been able to still win games during this horrific shooting slump with defense.
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Recovering Journalist
1/2/2022 12:38 PM
I don’t know if this is good or bad, but a lot of the looks yesterday were great. There weren’t many “bad” threes taken (step-backs, early in the shot clock, etc.) The team’s just not hitting anything. Open, guarded or otherwise. It doesn’t kill them against awful teams but I don’t see them winning at Akron while going 3-22 from three. The shooting is just brutal the last handful of games.
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MonroeClassmate
1/2/2022 2:13 PM
Boals should have brought in "Tommy Threeman" for a holiday shooters clinic!

Regression/progression to the mean means MAC teams won't be looking forward to the future percentages they will be facing..

Go Bobcats! Hope you play Akron as scheduled and whoop em.
Last Edited: 1/2/2022 2:44:59 PM by MonroeClassmate
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oubobcatjohn
1/2/2022 2:30 PM
These guys have a decent track record. Roderick will get it going. He isn't going to shoot 18% for the season. Bobcats won a couple games despite being ice cold. good teams find a way to overcome that. They have played good defense and only losses are two top 25 ranked teams. They did play a soft schedule compared to the MAC, but they did handle business in the games they were supposed to win.
Last Edited: 1/2/2022 2:31:55 PM by oubobcatjohn
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OUVan
1/3/2022 12:08 PM
I think some of it can be attributed to our quick ball movement declining of late. Much more dribbling than the start of the season.
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Andrew Ruck
1/3/2022 1:04 PM
Roderick is in a shooting slump, obviously. Everyone else I think is just shooting what they are for the most part. BVP had a couple crazy hot games behind the arc early but in the end he is still just probably a 30-35% type guy behind the line. Carter was literally barred from shooting 3s at Xavier, he is a 20-25% guy. Miles Brown & Tommy Schmock are probably just 30-35 guys.

Hopefully Sears & Clayton are indeed the 40+ guys we've seen, and hopefully some of the incoming freshmen are too because right now it is our biggest need.
Last Edited: 1/3/2022 1:38:37 PM by Andrew Ruck
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El Gato Roberto
1/3/2022 1:12 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Roderick is in a shooting slump, obviously. Everyone else I think is just shooting what they are for the most part. BVP had a couple crazy hot games behind the arc early but in the end he is still just probably a 30-35% type guy behind the line. Carter was literally barred from shooting 3s at Xavier, he is a 20-25% guy. Miles Brown & Tommy Schmock are probably just 30-35 guys.

Hopefully Clayton is indeed the 40+ guy we've seen, and hopefully some of the incoming freshmen are too because right now it is our biggest need.
Thanks for injecting this perspective. BVP was out of his mind vs VIrginia in the dance and carried it over to the start of the season. He’s been cold, lately, but I agree he will even out. BRod is not tossing air balls, anymore, at least. His WMU attempts rimmed out a couple of times.I think he’s about to return to form.
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Andrew Ruck
1/3/2022 1:23 PM
We are now 290th in FG percentage in the country. 236th in 3 point FG%. 263rd in effective FG%. Most all the teams surrounding us in these rankings are pretty terrible. I continue to maintain my eye test says these poor results are NOT a product of poor shot selection, bad ball movement, etc. If there was a mythical way to measure the quality of shots taken, I am confident we would at least be top 150.

It feels good to be 10-2 behind not so great shooting. It feels less prone to being the victim of upsets as opposed to the "live and die by the shot" types and also leaves a lot of room for growth if the shots start to fall.
Last Edited: 1/3/2022 1:36:48 PM by Andrew Ruck
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M.D.W.S.T
1/3/2022 3:16 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
We are now 290th in FG percentage in the country. 236th in 3 point FG%. 263rd in effective FG%. Most all the teams surrounding us in these rankings are pretty terrible. I continue to maintain my eye test says these poor results are NOT a product of poor shot selection, bad ball movement, etc. If there was a mythical way to measure the quality of shots taken, I am confident we would at least be top 150.

It feels good to be 10-2 behind not so great shooting. It feels less prone to being the victim of upsets as opposed to the "live and die by the shot" types and also leaves a lot of room for growth if the shots start to fall.
Didn't realize the #'s were that bad, but I think a strength of this team is they're not shy about trying to shoot themselves out of a slump. Eventually shots will start to fall... right?

For now, winning ugly is still winning. Good teams find a way to win even when they can't make shots.

For all the "almost everyone is returning" stuff in the beginning of the season, people forget they're breaking in 3 new starters. They're still learning to fill in for the production that DW, JP and McDay brought last season.

10-2 is a good place to be right now. Akron will be a big measuring stick.
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Antonio Pierce
1/4/2022 7:07 AM
Did we really shoot that well last year? Part of what we are not seeing is Dwight Wilson cleaning up missed shots. It seems we had more second chance shots last year with Dwight competing for offensive rebounds.
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Recovering Journalist
1/4/2022 9:02 AM
Antonio Pierce wrote:expand_more
Did we really shoot that well last year? Part of what we are not seeing is Dwight Wilson cleaning up missed shots. It seems we had more second chance shots last year with Dwight competing for offensive rebounds.
Great question. The team wasn't that much better from three last year, but there's a material and dramatic drop-off from two. Maybe that's the "Wilson Factor."

2020-2021: 47.6% from two, 34.4% from three
2021-2022: 34.4% from two,, 32.4% from three

The team is also shooting a couple more threes per game on average (23.7 up to 25.8).

Roderick went from 39.6% last year to 18.9% this year. BVP went from 34.9% to 32.8%. Interestingly, Sears, who doesn't shoot a lot of threes, has boosted his percentage from 27.9% to 44.1% - but it is a small sample size both years.
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71 BOBCAT
1/4/2022 9:05 AM
What would our shooting % be at if you removed Ben R. I think it would be at least 10% better.
When I listen to Boals he quietly mentions that our team finds different ways to win. This comment is huge. I also believe that he feels very strongly that finding different ways to win is part of his strategy.
This current strong D is part of Boals strategy to help offset our sub-par shooting, as is our strong "in the paint" scoring. In the paint scoring also increases our opportunity to get "to the line". Sears is making a living at the line. It represents almost 25% of his points.





GO BOBCATS
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Andrew Ruck
1/4/2022 9:33 AM
Antonio Pierce wrote:expand_more
Did we really shoot that well last year? Part of what we are not seeing is Dwight Wilson cleaning up missed shots. It seems we had more second chance shots last year with Dwight competing for offensive rebounds.
This might make you crap your pants, but we were 18th in the country in FG% last year. 68th in 3 pt FG%. Last year we had Dwight with a very high FG%, Preston with a solid FG%, and Roderick being his normal self instead of terrible.
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Recovering Journalist
1/4/2022 9:34 AM
It's a chicken-or-egg kind of thing, but assists per game are also way down this year. There was a lot of driving and kicking for open looks with Preston last year that isn't happening this year simply because Sears has different strengths.
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MonroeClassmate
1/4/2022 9:48 AM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
This current strong D is part of Boals strategy to help offset our sub-par shooting
GO BOBCATS
Perhaps the strong Defense is the problem! Takes lots of effort as an individual to lockdown opponents. That is why popular offensive strategy by teams is to use the whole clock to make the opponent work harder. Being somewhat gassed may account for a ball hitting the rim wrong versus the ball going in the hoop.

Perhaps it is just those Bobcats with lower percentage than normal needing to get game legs which have adjusted to the increased load factor.

But don't stop that tough defense, that obviously lowers scores and creates turnovers which can lead to in the paint points on breaks. Time will tell.
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BillyTheCat
1/4/2022 12:00 PM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
It's a chicken-or-egg kind of thing, but assists per game are also way down this year. There was a lot of driving and kicking for open looks with Preston last year that isn't happening this year simply because Sears has different strengths.
Shooting from the inside/out is definitely a more preferred method of a lot of shooters.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
1/4/2022 1:45 PM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
It's a chicken-or-egg kind of thing, but assists per game are also way down this year. There was a lot of driving and kicking for open looks with Preston last year that isn't happening this year simply because Sears has different strengths.
Not only driving and kicking, but Preston also had the unique ability to play and pass out of the post. A whole lot of possessions last year involved Preston backing a smaller guard down to the elbow and initiating the offense from there. It may seem a minor thing, but attacking the defense with an elite passer from a strange angle like that creates a lot of open looks.
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El Gato Roberto
1/4/2022 5:00 PM
I am tempted to give a little bit of the credit to the defense of our opponents. Watching Kentucky and LSU break us down probably helps them a lot. The encouraging news is that this team seems to find a way to win. Looking forward to the broadcast tonight.
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Victory
1/4/2022 8:06 PM
Pretty good shooting and pretty good defense tonight.
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Cats5
1/4/2022 8:10 PM
FG% 50 and 3PT% 40…..I’ll take it
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Jeff McKinney
1/4/2022 9:51 PM
Victory wrote:expand_more
Pretty good shooting and pretty good defense tonight.
Better than pretty good on the defense.
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BurritoBuggy4
1/5/2022 11:09 AM
Cats5 wrote:expand_more
FG% 50 and 3PT% 40…..I’ll take it
The 3PT% could have reasonably been higher. I really wish BVP would stop hoisting those 30 foot bombs. They are just bad shots.
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El Gato Roberto
1/5/2022 4:13 PM
BurritoBuggy4 wrote:expand_more
FG% 50 and 3PT% 40…..I’ll take it
The 3PT% could have reasonably been higher. I really wish BVP would stop hoisting those 30 foot bombs. They are just bad shots.
Until they go in…no, no, no…oh, nice shot! 😉
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BurritoBuggy4
1/5/2022 7:14 PM
El Gato Roberto wrote:expand_more
FG% 50 and 3PT% 40…..I’ll take it
The 3PT% could have reasonably been higher. I really wish BVP would stop hoisting those 30 foot bombs. They are just bad shots.
Until they go in…no, no, no…oh, nice shot! 😉
Just because it goes in doesn't mean it was a good shot.
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