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Andrew Ruck
12/21/2021 9:28 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
And what we are still experiencing here in the U.S. is the Delta variant on large.
Well that didn’t last long, omicron is now 73% of new cases in the US per the CDC.
That is pretty remarkable...this thing is screamer. We are all gonna get it this winter, after which I think we can call this thing "endemic."
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colobobcat66
12/21/2021 9:36 AM
Sports will likely shut down pretty soon if it keeps going like this. We may just see empty stadiums and arenas as an alternative to complete shut downs, but that doesn’t seem real likely to me. I hope I’m wrong but why wouldn’t that happen?
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BillyTheCat
12/21/2021 9:39 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
And what we are still experiencing here in the U.S. is the Delta variant on large.
Well that didn’t last long, omicron is now 73% of new cases in the US per the CDC.
That is pretty remarkable...this thing is screamer. We are all gonna get it this winter, after which I think we can call this thing "endemic."
I was surprised to see the NHL go on hold.
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Andrew Ruck
12/21/2021 10:09 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Sports will likely shut down pretty soon if it keeps going like this. We may just see empty stadiums and arenas as an alternative to complete shut downs, but that doesn’t seem real likely to me. I hope I’m wrong but why wouldn’t that happen?
To me it is going to depend on if the decision makers focus on cases or hospitalizations & deaths. If they focus on cases, I agree with you because I think we are about to see massive case numbers. Things can change, but early data suggests the death numbers won't be anywhere remotely close to the original/delta numbers.
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colobobcat66
12/21/2021 10:40 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Sports will likely shut down pretty soon if it keeps going like this. We may just see empty stadiums and arenas as an alternative to complete shut downs, but that doesn’t seem real likely to me. I hope I’m wrong but why wouldn’t that happen?
To me it is going to depend on if the decision makers focus on cases or hospitalizations & deaths. If they focus on cases, I agree with you because I think we are about to see massive case numbers. Things can change, but early data suggests the death numbers won't be anywhere remotely close to the original/delta numbers.
It seems that the number hospitalizations is the driver, even more than deaths. When the hospitals fill up, most jurisdictions shut things down including sports.
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rpbobcat
12/21/2021 12:16 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
It seems that the number hospitalizations is the driver, even more than deaths. When the hospitals fill up, most jurisdictions shut things down including sports.
That was the case in NJ before vaccines (flatten the curve).

NJ has a high % of vaccinated people, so right now we're holding our own, especially with ICU capacity.

We've had an increase in hospitalizations.
But we're seeing admissions/discharges leveling out.

So far, they're reporting that people who have Omicron, and are vaxed,
are either asymptomatic or experiencing very mild symptoms.
They usually last about 48 hours.

One doctor said, for vaxed people, its pretty much "omnicold".
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Victory
12/21/2021 1:22 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
It seems that the number hospitalizations is the driver, even more than deaths. When the hospitals fill up, most jurisdictions shut things down including sports.
That was the case in NJ before vaccines (flatten the curve).

NJ has a high % of vaccinated people, so right now we're holding our own, especially with ICU capacity.

We've had an increase in hospitalizations.
But we're seeing admissions/discharges leveling out.

So far, they're reporting that people who have Omicron, and are vaxed,
are either asymptomatic or experiencing very mild symptoms.
They usually last about 48 hours.

One doctor said, for vaxed people, its pretty much "omnicold".
That makes sense though. I know that if you are vaccinated that you are less likely to pass it on if you catch it so not getting vaccinated does show a lot of civic irresponsibility but I think a lot of people look at it as if you want to be unvaccinated and put yourself at risk that's a personal issue. But if you fill up the ER with unvaccinated people so that if a local school bus crashes into a truck that we cannot attend to the kids then that is very, very much no longer a personal issue. We then need to not allow unvaccinated people in the hospital, require vaccinations, or put in place public restrictions. What other choice is there?
Last Edited: 12/21/2021 1:25:25 PM by Victory
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rpbobcat
12/21/2021 1:56 PM
Victory wrote:expand_more
We then need to not allow unvaccinated people in the hospital, require vaccinations, or put in place public restrictions. What other choice is there?

This could get really tricky for a number of reasons, legal and moral.

From a "functional" perspective, hospitals reaching capacity from covid patients is no different then from any number of other circumstances.
About the only difference is needing full PPE for covid patients.

A number of times my wife's hospital has had to "divert" emergency patients, for
several days at a time, because they are at capacity.

They actually had less capacity issues with covid, then after Super Storm Sandy.

Fortunately, in this area, there a lot of hospitals, where patients can be diverted to.

If it looks like capacity may be an issue, especially for an upcoming weekend, patient traffic always seems to get heavy on Saturday night, they'll transfer
patients out to less crowded facilities, usually in the same system.
Last Edited: 12/21/2021 1:57:51 PM by rpbobcat
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bobcatsquared
12/21/2021 3:05 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
From a "functional" perspective, hospitals reaching capacity from covid patients is no different then from any number of other circumstances.
About the only difference is needing full PPE for covid patients.
Not sure that there is no difference, not when everyone has the option to be vaccinated.
Last Edited: 12/21/2021 3:05:43 PM by bobcatsquared
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rpbobcat
12/21/2021 3:24 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
From a "functional" perspective, hospitals reaching capacity from covid patients is no different then from any number of other circumstances.
About the only difference is needing full PPE for covid patients.
Not sure that there is no difference, not when everyone has the option to be vaccinated.
What I can tell you is that not many, but some, of the hospitalized covid patients are fully vaxed and boosted.
So far they are all the delta variant.
Last Edited: 12/21/2021 3:27:11 PM by rpbobcat
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allen
12/21/2021 3:41 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
We then need to not allow unvaccinated people in the hospital, require vaccinations, or put in place public restrictions. What other choice is there?

This could get really tricky for a number of reasons, legal and moral.

From a "functional" perspective, hospitals reaching capacity from covid patients is no different then from any number of other circumstances.
About the only difference is needing full PPE for covid patients.

A number of times my wife's hospital has had to "divert" emergency patients, for
several days at a time, because they are at capacity.

They actually had less capacity issues with covid, then after Super Storm Sandy.

Fortunately, in this area, there a lot of hospitals, where patients can be diverted to.

If it looks like capacity may be an issue, especially for an upcoming weekend, patient traffic always seems to get heavy on Saturday night, they'll transfer
patients out to less crowded facilities, usually in the same system.

Did the hospitals become shelters during Sandy? I have heard that omicron is milder but much more contagious. The social distancing mitigation strategies are largely ineffective with omicron, also the cloth masks are ineffective, you need a N 95 or a kn95. Omicron is not omicold to the unvaccinated, that is just more information that any reputable medical professional would warn against. Omicron hit Cleveland very hard and is hitting the northeast. Here is a report from someone who has it.

I'd rather give birth again. This is no joke. Feels like elephants stomping on my body, temp has stayed in the 100's, migraines have nothing on these headaches. Please wear your! I stay wearing mine and here I am. Merry Covid Christmas to me and my son.

ER's are packed! People are leaving. Don't care if you are vaxxed or not. This shit is bad!
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rpbobcat
12/21/2021 3:59 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Did the hospitals become shelters during Sandy? I have heard that omicron is milder but much more contagious. The social distancing mitigation strategies are largely ineffective with omicron, also the cloth masks are ineffective, you need a N 95 or a kn95. Omicron is not omicold to the unvaccinated, that is just more information that any reputable medical professional would warn against. Omicron hit Cleveland very hard and is hitting the northeast.
In this area none of the hospitals were used as shelters.
We were able to use schools and churches.

My wife is a nurse.
She has to wear a fully fitted N95 mask, and face shield, whenever she is visiting any patient.
For covid patients she double masks and has full PPE.

I thought I was clear, the "omicold" reference in my post referred to
what a doctor said about fully vaxed and boosted people.

As I also posted, NJ has a very high % of vaccinated people.
Boosters were lagging a bit behind.
Haven't seen any recent information on them.

So far we haven't had any issues with hospital capacities.
As I also posted, we're seeing a "leveling off" between hospital
admissions and discharges that, hopefully, will continue to get better.
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colobobcat66
12/21/2021 6:55 PM
Today’s (12/21)slate of D-1 games includes 58 games which will apparently be played and 21 cancelled/postponed.
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allen
12/21/2021 8:20 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Did the hospitals become shelters during Sandy? I have heard that omicron is milder but much more contagious. The social distancing mitigation strategies are largely ineffective with omicron, also the cloth masks are ineffective, you need a N 95 or a kn95. Omicron is not omicold to the unvaccinated, that is just more information that any reputable medical professional would warn against. Omicron hit Cleveland very hard and is hitting the northeast.
In this area none of the hospitals were used as shelters.
We were able to use schools and churches.

My wife is a nurse.
She has to wear a fully fitted N95 mask, and face shield, whenever she is visiting any patient.
For covid patients she double masks and has full PPE.

I thought I was clear, the "omicold" reference in my post referred to
what a doctor said about fully vaxed and boosted people.

As I also posted, NJ has a very high % of vaccinated people.
Boosters were lagging a bit behind.
Haven't seen any recent information on them.

So far we haven't had any issues with hospital capacities.
As I also posted, we're seeing a "leveling off" between hospital
admissions and discharges that, hopefully, will continue to get better.

RP, I was just asking because you said that Sandy presented a bigger problem (capacity) than Covid. God bless you and your family, stay safe.
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colobobcat66
12/21/2021 8:40 PM
Up to 23 games cancelled today. It’s changing fast guys
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bobcatsquared
12/21/2021 9:04 PM
All of these games called off had me wondering when is it a postponement and when is it a forfeit. The announcer of the Ball St. game tonight mentioned that the Big East is considering it a forfeit when 1 team can't play due to covid and said that the MAC is the same way. He also mentioned something I hadn't heard before - teams must play 25 games to qualify for the tournament. May have to look at these rules moving forward.
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Victory
12/21/2021 9:19 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
All of these games called off had me wondering when is it a postponement and when is it a forfeit. The announcer of the Ball St. game tonight mentioned that the Big East is considering it a forfeit when 1 team can't play due to covid and said that the MAC is the same way. He also mentioned something I hadn't heard before - teams must play 25 games to qualify for the tournament. May have to look at these rules moving forward.
I think that it is a forfeit for conference seeding but not an official forfeit on the record books.
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rpbobcat
12/22/2021 6:41 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
RP, I was just asking because you said that Sandy presented a bigger problem (capacity) than Covid. God bless you and your family, stay safe.
Thank you !
Same to you and yours !
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colobobcat66
12/22/2021 1:40 PM
And 18 games already cancelled today. I’m football Texas A&M out of Gator bowl due to covid. Looks like it’s shutting down quicker than we thought it might
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Victory
12/25/2021 3:54 PM
FYI, like most conferences the MAC has modified its forfeit policy.

"For men’s and women’s basketball, a team must meet a minimum threshold of seven scholarship student-athletes and one coach to play a game. If a team does not have the necessary number of participants, and elects not to play, the game shall be a no contest if it cannot be rescheduled. If a team has the necessary number of participants and chooses not to participate, the game will be declared a forfeit."

https://getsomemaction.com/news/2021/12/23/football-mid-a...
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Pataskala
12/28/2021 4:22 PM
At the moment there are 62 D1 games from today through Sunday that have been postponed or cancelled.

Also they just announced that tonight's Holiday Bowl football game has been called off because of covid issues with UCLA's team.

USAT had a story yesterday about an "indirect" covid victim. A small-town Iowa man who died from a sepsis infection because, his family says, he couldn't get a bed at a larger medical facility that was filled with covid patients. Apparently they couldn't adequately treat the infection at the Newton, Iowa hospital where he was admitted (80 miles from his hometown, the closest hospital with an available bed).
Last Edited: 12/28/2021 4:36:46 PM by Pataskala
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colobobcat66
12/28/2021 6:04 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Sports will likely shut down pretty soon if it keeps going like this. We may just see empty stadiums and arenas as an alternative to complete shut downs, but that doesn’t seem real likely to me. I hope I’m wrong but why wouldn’t that happen?
To me it is going to depend on if the decision makers focus on cases or hospitalizations & deaths. If they focus on cases, I agree with you because I think we are about to see massive case numbers. Things can change, but early data suggests the death numbers won't be anywhere remotely close to the original/delta numbers.
I guess I’m thinking a little differently that I did originally about the sports world and covid. Theres a a two fold problem- folks getting covid that provide services to the sport like vendors, pilots, support personal and - the players themselves. It looks like the number of players at all levels and in many teams are being hit hard with the virus. As we know from stats out there, few of them will die or even be hospitalized with it, but if they get it, they have to be quarantined so they’re not available to play for 5-10 days or whatever. Teams are simply running out of available players and it seems to be getting worse every day based on all the cancellations we are seeing. If some of the experts are right(even a blind squirrel ……) maybe this surge will last a month or so, then maybe things will start to get back to at least more normal days. We shall see. If the 4 football teams can pull off playing the semi-final and championship games, it will be a miracle.
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rpbobcat
12/28/2021 7:35 PM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Sports will likely shut down pretty soon if it keeps going like this. We may just see empty stadiums and arenas as an alternative to complete shut downs, but that doesn’t seem real likely to me. I hope I’m wrong but why wouldn’t that happen?
To me it is going to depend on if the decision makers focus on cases or hospitalizations & deaths. If they focus on cases, I agree with you because I think we are about to see massive case numbers. Things can change, but early data suggests the death numbers won't be anywhere remotely close to the original/delta numbers.
I guess I’m thinking a little differently that I did originally about the sports world and covid. Theres a a two fold problem- folks getting covid that provide services to the sport like vendors, pilots, support personal and - the players themselves. It looks like the number of players at all levels and in many teams are being hit hard with the virus. As we know from stats out there, few of them will die or even be hospitalized with it, but if they get it, they have to be quarantined so they’re not available to play for 5-10 days or whatever. Teams are simply running out of available players and it seems to be getting worse every day based on all the cancellations we are seeing. If some of the experts are right(even a blind squirrel ……) maybe this surge will last a month or so, then maybe things will start to get back to at least more normal days. We shall see. If the 4 football teams can pull off playing the semi-final and championship games, it will be a miracle.
Several of the people on sports talk stations have been saying that Omicron seems much milder,at least for Vaxed/boosted people.

And the NFL's new policy of not testing fully vaxed players hasn't had any problems,at least so far.

They feel that,maybe, the NCAA needs to consider something similar.
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Pataskala
12/28/2021 7:58 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
Sports will likely shut down pretty soon if it keeps going like this. We may just see empty stadiums and arenas as an alternative to complete shut downs, but that doesn’t seem real likely to me. I hope I’m wrong but why wouldn’t that happen?
To me it is going to depend on if the decision makers focus on cases or hospitalizations & deaths. If they focus on cases, I agree with you because I think we are about to see massive case numbers. Things can change, but early data suggests the death numbers won't be anywhere remotely close to the original/delta numbers.
I guess I’m thinking a little differently that I did originally about the sports world and covid. Theres a a two fold problem- folks getting covid that provide services to the sport like vendors, pilots, support personal and - the players themselves. It looks like the number of players at all levels and in many teams are being hit hard with the virus. As we know from stats out there, few of them will die or even be hospitalized with it, but if they get it, they have to be quarantined so they’re not available to play for 5-10 days or whatever. Teams are simply running out of available players and it seems to be getting worse every day based on all the cancellations we are seeing. If some of the experts are right(even a blind squirrel ……) maybe this surge will last a month or so, then maybe things will start to get back to at least more normal days. We shall see. If the 4 football teams can pull off playing the semi-final and championship games, it will be a miracle.
Several of the people on sports talk stations have been saying that Omicron seems much milder,at least for Vaxed/boosted people.

And the NFL's new policy of not testing fully vaxed players hasn't had any problems,at least so far.

They feel that,maybe, the NCAA needs to consider something similar.
Schools have a different obligation than the NFL, namely, to the entire student body and employees. The NFL really doesn't give a rat's behind about the public at large, so long as they can get enough butts in the seats. Otherwise, they would test even vaxxed players (who can still transmit covid to others) before they come into contact with fans through public appearances, etc.
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rpbobcat
12/28/2021 8:30 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Schools have a different obligation than the NFL, namely, to the entire student body and employees. The NFL really doesn't give a rat's behind about the public at large, so long as they can get enough butts in the seats. Otherwise, they would test even vaxxed players (who can still transmit covid to others) before they come into contact with fans through public appearances, etc.
From what I've read,intercollegiate athletes,staff etc. are subject to more frequent Covid testing then other students,staff,employees etc.

If this isn't the case let me know.

If it is the case,then, based on their "obligation" ,schools should be requiring the same Covid testing for all students, faculty and staff,not just intercollegiate athletes.
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