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Posted: 2/11/2022 8:51 AM
I know Andrew and FearLeon have already noted this, but holy crap Olumide is looking very promising out there. I will be interested to see his development into next year. If he keeps it up and this incoming freshmen class meets or exceeds our expectations, BRod and Miles might have reduced minutes next year.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 9:11 AM
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I know Andrew and FearLeon have already noted this, but holy crap Olumide is looking very promising out there. I will be interested to see his development into next year. If he keeps it up and this incoming freshmen class meets or exceeds our expectations, BRod and Miles might have reduced minutes next year.
It's hard to get a smaller sample size, especially because so many of his tiny allotment of minutes has been in garbage time, but there's no doubt he looks relaxed out there. His silky jumper has been good for 2-3 from long range. Given the team's season-long shooting woes, I'd like to see a bit more of him in situations like last night.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 9:19 AM
With McDay's absence, I am all for getting another guard/wing into the rotation in the run-up to the tournament. We're going to need the legs.

It's a good sign for his future in the program if Boals has faith to play him in the middle of a tight road game. He's going to have more competition for playing time next year with that incoming class.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 10:14 AM
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I know Andrew and FearLeon have already noted this, but holy crap Olumide is looking very promising out there. I will be interested to see his development into next year. If he keeps it up and this incoming freshmen class meets or exceeds our expectations, BRod and Miles might have reduced minutes next year.
It's hard to get a smaller sample size, especially because so many of his tiny allotment of minutes has been in garbage time, but there's no doubt he looks relaxed out there. His silky jumper has been good for 2-3 from long range. Given the team's season-long shooting woes, I'd like to see a bit more of him in situations like last night.
Really was a stunning development to see Olumide out there in a pivotal stretch. I was more excited about the block than I was the three. Like all have mentioned here...having another body to contribute on the wing is helpful...especially with Roderick struggles. I know we keep saying it will turn around. We are getting to the point with #3 where we are now saying let's hope he finds it for the MAC tourney. Regular season is rapidly coming to a close and Roderick hasn't found it yet.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 10:21 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I know Andrew and FearLeon have already noted this, but holy crap Olumide is looking very promising out there. I will be interested to see his development into next year. If he keeps it up and this incoming freshmen class meets or exceeds our expectations, BRod and Miles might have reduced minutes next year.
It's hard to get a smaller sample size, especially because so many of his tiny allotment of minutes has been in garbage time, but there's no doubt he looks relaxed out there. His silky jumper has been good for 2-3 from long range. Given the team's season-long shooting woes, I'd like to see a bit more of him in situations like last night.
Really was a stunning development to see Olumide out there in a pivotal stretch. I was more excited about the block than I was the three. Like all have mentioned here...having another body to contribute on the wing is helpful...especially with Roderick struggles. I know we keep saying it will turn around. We are getting to the point with #3 where we are now saying let's hope he finds it for the MAC tourney. Regular season is rapidly coming to a close and Roderick hasn't found it yet.
Agreed. He's had one if you count the hot game he had at home against Eastern Michigan but again, only one game where he's performed well offensively. He's alright to good though on defense and getting rebounds. If Olumide and IJ end up developing - holy crap we are in for a great run for the next few years. I'll be interested to see who slots into Carter's spot. BVP would definitely be there if he comes back, but what if he doesn't?
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Posted: 2/11/2022 10:26 AM
The question now is: Will Boals burn Olumide's redshirt? I believe he still has the right amount to qualify for a redshirt. I personally thought he looked comfortable out there. Sometimes with Towns I cringe when he gets the ball. He is an athletic guy who really works hard but Towns is not a ballhandler. Olumide seemed very confident taking passes, squaring up and definitely defending.

On another note, Ezuma looked more comfortable as well in extended minutes. He definitely is a bowling ball at times but there were spots last night where his activity at the rim was great.

Even though Sam and Clayton didn't play a ton last night I watched their body language at timeouts and they were engaged and energetic. Love the culture Boals has created!!!!
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Posted: 2/11/2022 12:03 PM
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The question now is: Will Boals burn Olumide's redshirt? I believe he still has the right amount to qualify for a redshirt. I personally thought he looked comfortable out there. Sometimes with Towns I cringe when he gets the ball. He is an athletic guy who really works hard but Towns is not a ballhandler. Olumide seemed very confident taking passes, squaring up and definitely defending.

On another note, Ezuma looked more comfortable as well in extended minutes. He definitely is a bowling ball at times but there were spots last night where his activity at the rim was great.

Even though Sam and Clayton didn't play a ton last night I watched their body language at timeouts and they were engaged and energetic. Love the culture Boals has created!!!!
In today's college hoops world, the only one who should ever sweat losing a redshirt is the athlete themselves. We have no idea what the program will look like in a year, let alone in three or four. If he can contribute now and HE doesn't mind losing the redshirt then it shouldn't be a big factor for how the program thinks about it.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 12:34 PM
An injury redshirt is different from a voluntary redshirt. For the latter, you can't play at all, so redshirt is not an option for Olumide.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 12:55 PM
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An injury redshirt is different from a voluntary redshirt. For the latter, you can't play at all, so redshirt is not an option for Olumide.
That may actually change this year due to Covid (lets hope). The ironic thing, is in Football its four games (changed in 2018), and basketball its one game.

The A-10 is pushing this agenda to change the basketball rule.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 1:06 PM
I was trying to watch several games at once last night, so maybe I missed this but what is the story on Carter sitting on the bench so much?

Injury? In the doghouse? Coach wanting a look more at younger guys?

Sometimes (generally speaking) guys end up in the portal if they don't get some floor time, so maybe it's time to start playing Ilumide and Ezuma (SP?) more.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 1:07 PM
True story, the instant I saw this thread title, I wondered why there might be a thread about a chemical compound. haha

It's been a long week......
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Posted: 2/11/2022 1:12 PM
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True story, the instant I saw this thread title, I wondered why there might be a thread about a chemical compound.
I thought it might be a new Covid variant.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 2:59 PM
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The question now is: Will Boals burn Olumide's redshirt? I believe he still has the right amount to qualify for a redshirt. I personally thought he looked comfortable out there. Sometimes with Towns I cringe when he gets the ball. He is an athletic guy who really works hard but Towns is not a ballhandler. Olumide seemed very confident taking passes, squaring up and definitely defending.

On another note, Ezuma looked more comfortable as well in extended minutes. He definitely is a bowling ball at times but there were spots last night where his activity at the rim was great.

Even though Sam and Clayton didn't play a ton last night I watched their body language at timeouts and they were engaged and energetic. Love the culture Boals has created!!!!
In today's college hoops world, the only one who should ever sweat losing a redshirt is the athlete themselves. We have no idea what the program will look like in a year, let alone in three or four. If he can contribute now and HE doesn't mind losing the redshirt then it shouldn't be a big factor for how the program thinks about it.
IMO, all coaches should be discussing the option to redshirt with incoming freshman. For the players, I think redshirts make as much sense now as they ever have. Free year of college is potentially easier to stomach knowing you might have a NLI supplement at some point. That extra year of development has proven to help players, ESPECIALLY bigs.

For the program (and as a fan), yes it's extremely frustrating to lose players to transfer but that's a possibility regardless of a redshirt. I think offering the players the option of the redshirt if that's something they are interested in is a long-term positive for the program as these players talk to each other and being known as the type of program that is looking out for the best interest of the player will only help our standing with players in the transfer portal and recruiting in the long-run.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 3:02 PM
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The question now is: Will Boals burn Olumide's redshirt? I believe he still has the right amount to qualify for a redshirt. I personally thought he looked comfortable out there. Sometimes with Towns I cringe when he gets the ball. He is an athletic guy who really works hard but Towns is not a ballhandler. Olumide seemed very confident taking passes, squaring up and definitely defending.

On another note, Ezuma looked more comfortable as well in extended minutes. He definitely is a bowling ball at times but there were spots last night where his activity at the rim was great.

Even though Sam and Clayton didn't play a ton last night I watched their body language at timeouts and they were engaged and energetic. Love the culture Boals has created!!!!
In today's college hoops world, the only one who should ever sweat losing a redshirt is the athlete themselves. We have no idea what the program will look like in a year, let alone in three or four. If he can contribute now and HE doesn't mind losing the redshirt then it shouldn't be a big factor for how the program thinks about it.
IMO, all coaches should be discussing the option to redshirt with incoming freshman. For the players, I think redshirts make as much sense now as they ever have. Free year of college is potentially easier to stomach knowing you might have a NLI supplement at some point. That extra year of development has proven to help players, ESPECIALLY bigs.

For the program (and as a fan), yes it's extremely frustrating to lose players to transfer but that's a possibility regardless of a redshirt. I think offering the players the option of the redshirt if that's something they are interested in is a long-term positive for the program as these players talk to each other and being known as the type of program that is looking out for the best interest of the player will only help our standing with players in the transfer portal and recruiting in the long-run.
I apologize for that run-on sentence. It's Friday afternoon and I just don't care at this point.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 3:06 PM
Frankly the whole idea of the redshirt is just farce. The scholarship is intended to aid in the earning of a degree which can and should be obtained in four years. For every kid who spends a fifth or 6th year that's a scholarship not available for the next generation. Who doesn't love having bvp or Jason Carter on our team, right? but should they really be in their 6th year of scholarship basketball? Combined that's an entire undergraduate scholarship for another person.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 3:38 PM
The NCAA has thrown the rulebooks totally out the window.

I remember when Stallings was recruiting Peyton Willis at Vandy. And got him.

Now 3 head coaches at VU later, Willis is still playing NCAA D-1 basketball.

After VU, he went to Minnesota. And then College of Charleston. Now Minny again.

So he's in like what, his 7th year of college?

If the NCAA has decided that the rules are now that there are no rules...
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Posted: 2/11/2022 4:53 PM
He is def earning more PT. He has looked very smooth and confident out there in limited minutes. He is also bigger than both Brown and Roderick but appears to be more athletic than both. I look forward to seeing him develop the rest of this year and going into next year. Barring any defections, guard depth with go from a weakness to a strength next year.
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Posted: 2/11/2022 9:12 PM
I’ve seen enough - Start him! Bring BRod off the bench, take some pressure off of him .
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Posted: 2/11/2022 9:40 PM
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Frankly the whole idea of the redshirt is just farce. The scholarship is intended to aid in the earning of a degree which can and should be obtained in four years. For every kid who spends a fifth or 6th year that's a scholarship not available for the next generation. Who doesn't love having bvp or Jason Carter on our team, right? but should they really be in their 6th year of scholarship basketball? Combined that's an entire undergraduate scholarship for another person.
TBH....My athlete is the ONLY one of my 4 kids who made it through in 4 years. Outside of him I know very few kids these day s who can get their offerings and classes in sequence that they can get out in 4 years. I KNOW he would have taken a redshirt in a heartbeat had it been available. I don't think saying a "degree can and should be obtained in 4 years" is always realistic given the way colleges seem to be set up to run (and make money) these days.

How did you come to your views of the scholarship and redshirt? I am truly interested in this view
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Posted: 2/12/2022 11:30 AM
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Frankly the whole idea of the redshirt is just farce. The scholarship is intended to aid in the earning of a degree which can and should be obtained in four years. For every kid who spends a fifth or 6th year that's a scholarship not available for the next generation. Who doesn't love having bvp or Jason Carter on our team, right? but should they really be in their 6th year of scholarship basketball? Combined that's an entire undergraduate scholarship for another person.
TBH....My athlete is the ONLY one of my 4 kids who made it through in 4 years. Outside of him I know very few kids these day s who can get their offerings and classes in sequence that they can get out in 4 years. I KNOW he would have taken a redshirt in a heartbeat had it been available. I don't think saying a "degree can and should be obtained in 4 years" is always realistic given the way colleges seem to be set up to run (and make money) these days.

How did you come to your views of the scholarship and redshirt? I am truly interested in this view
At the risk of sounding naive about the way things work in D1 college athletics, we just need to ask ourselves what is the purpose of a scholarship? I understand that injuries and hardship happen, and if those things truly affect a person's ability to complete their degree on time, then of course such an exception should be made. But the idea that someone gets a 5th year because they were deemed not good enough to play yet? Well, that's why you have four years. Take coaching, practice hard and earn your way into the rotation. That's why you have more scholarships than players actually on the field at a given time. I'm very much in favor of athletic scholarships and the accompanying opportunity, but when is enough enough? If someone can't complete their degree in four years because of basketball, that means that there is too much time devoted to basketball/football or whatever else and that commitment should be dialed back via regulation. Athletes also have tutors, special study facilities, summer sessions to catch up or whatever. This is all good stuff. However, that brings me to my second question... What is the purpose of a redshirt year? What does it actually accomplish? is it so someone can improve their chances of becoming a pro? Is it to help make the NBA/NFL execs have easier decisions on more seasoned players? Again, my naivete on full display, that's not really the purpose of college athletics. Has any coach ever said to a player "I want you to take a redshirt year to ensure you'll complete your degree"? No, it's a decision based almost solely on the player's current ability.
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Posted: 2/12/2022 6:00 PM
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Frankly the whole idea of the redshirt is just farce. The scholarship is intended to aid in the earning of a degree which can and should be obtained in four years. For every kid who spends a fifth or 6th year that's a scholarship not available for the next generation. Who doesn't love having bvp or Jason Carter on our team, right? but should they really be in their 6th year of scholarship basketball? Combined that's an entire undergraduate scholarship for another person.
TBH....My athlete is the ONLY one of my 4 kids who made it through in 4 years. Outside of him I know very few kids these day s who can get their offerings and classes in sequence that they can get out in 4 years. I KNOW he would have taken a redshirt in a heartbeat had it been available. I don't think saying a "degree can and should be obtained in 4 years" is always realistic given the way colleges seem to be set up to run (and make money) these days.

How did you come to your views of the scholarship and redshirt? I am truly interested in this view
At the risk of sounding naive about the way things work in D1 college athletics, we just need to ask ourselves what is the purpose of a scholarship? I understand that injuries and hardship happen, and if those things truly affect a person's ability to complete their degree on time, then of course such an exception should be made. But the idea that someone gets a 5th year because they were deemed not good enough to play yet? Well, that's why you have four years. Take coaching, practice hard and earn your way into the rotation. That's why you have more scholarships than players actually on the field at a given time. I'm very much in favor of athletic scholarships and the accompanying opportunity, but when is enough enough? If someone can't complete their degree in four years because of basketball, that means that there is too much time devoted to basketball/football or whatever else and that commitment should be dialed back via regulation. Athletes also have tutors, special study facilities, summer sessions to catch up or whatever. This is all good stuff. However, that brings me to my second question... What is the purpose of a redshirt year? What does it actually accomplish? is it so someone can improve their chances of becoming a pro? Is it to help make the NBA/NFL execs have easier decisions on more seasoned players? Again, my naivete on full display, that's not really the purpose of college athletics. Has any coach ever said to a player "I want you to take a redshirt year to ensure you'll complete your degree"? No, it's a decision based almost solely on the player's current ability.
Because of the size of enrollment at OHIO, lots of classes have to be offered in the evenings and perhaps Saturday (?). That makes it difficult for the athletes to schedule what they need to complete their degrees in four years. Even if the player didn't put in any more time than a 2 hour practice and the games they would be likely to have because of that two hour block a loss of 20% of the classes available. Thus they need extra time.
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Frankly the whole idea of the redshirt is just farce. The scholarship is intended to aid in the earning of a degree which can and should be obtained in four years. For every kid who spends a fifth or 6th year that's a scholarship not available for the next generation. Who doesn't love having bvp or Jason Carter on our team, right? but should they really be in their 6th year of scholarship basketball? Combined that's an entire undergraduate scholarship for another person.
TBH....My athlete is the ONLY one of my 4 kids who made it through in 4 years. Outside of him I know very few kids these day s who can get their offerings and classes in sequence that they can get out in 4 years. I KNOW he would have taken a redshirt in a heartbeat had it been available. I don't think saying a "degree can and should be obtained in 4 years" is always realistic given the way colleges seem to be set up to run (and make money) these days.

How did you come to your views of the scholarship and redshirt? I am truly interested in this view
At the risk of sounding naive about the way things work in D1 college athletics, we just need to ask ourselves what is the purpose of a scholarship? I understand that injuries and hardship happen, and if those things truly affect a person's ability to complete their degree on time, then of course such an exception should be made. But the idea that someone gets a 5th year because they were deemed not good enough to play yet? Well, that's why you have four years. Take coaching, practice hard and earn your way into the rotation. That's why you have more scholarships than players actually on the field at a given time. I'm very much in favor of athletic scholarships and the accompanying opportunity, but when is enough enough? If someone can't complete their degree in four years because of basketball, that means that there is too much time devoted to basketball/football or whatever else and that commitment should be dialed back via regulation. Athletes also have tutors, special study facilities, summer sessions to catch up or whatever. This is all good stuff. However, that brings me to my second question... What is the purpose of a redshirt year? What does it actually accomplish? is it so someone can improve their chances of becoming a pro? Is it to help make the NBA/NFL execs have easier decisions on more seasoned players? Again, my naivete on full display, that's not really the purpose of college athletics. Has any coach ever said to a player "I want you to take a redshirt year to ensure you'll complete your degree"? No, it's a decision based almost solely on the player's current ability.
Because of the size of enrollment at OHIO, lots of classes have to be offered in the evenings and perhaps Saturday (?). That makes it difficult for the athletes to schedule what they need to complete their degrees in four years. Even if the player didn't put in any more time than a 2 hour practice and the games they would be likely to have because of that two hour block a loss of 20% of the classes available. Thus they need extra time.
There are profs who state "if you miss more than 20% of classes you will fail my class" even though the NCAA says that should not be a thing.... It does. My kid took Stats and Cluster in the middle of the season. Kind of insane but he got it figured out. Most athletes I talked to at OHIO tried to take the difficult classes in their majors when they did not have to travel for games.

As for the assumption that it should be done in 4 years.... I agree but the reality for a lot of NON athletes is that it is happening with less frequency. Not sure why athletes should be different than the gen pop.
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Posted: 2/12/2022 7:20 PM
I am not exactly sure how it is now but when I attended in the '90s in some STEM majors if you didn't test into calculus on the entrance exams then it became literally impossible at that point to graduate in anything less than 5 years. Your classes in the second year had a prerequisite of completing the calculus sequence and then most classes after that were dependent on classes you had to complete in the prior quarter. There was actually a sequence of prerequisites that started with fall quarter of your freshman year and followed from one quarter to the next for 12 consecutive quarters. Most upperclass classes were only offered once a year so if you failed to get in a class when you were supposed to you were at 15 quarters minimum.

I think that less than 5% of freshman tested into calculus. Obviously for STEM majors it was higher than that. I don't know the actual numbers but in my personal associations I doubt that there was a major where it was more than 50-60%. I don't know. Maybe the math major itself was. But anyway graduating in 4 years in most of the hard science and engineering majors seemed to be rare.
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Posted: 2/12/2022 9:46 PM
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. . . But anyway graduating in 4 years in most of the hard science and engineering majors seemed to be rare.
This has been true for many years. Don’t think it’ll change any time soon.

Having said that how many of these majors do we have on our varsity teams? I suspect not more than 5-10 percent, and those I’d guess are primarily in sports other than basketball or football. Anybody have the actual numbers?
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Posted: 2/13/2022 8:06 AM
My general thought is....the real world will be there. You are only young once so don't make yourself miserable in what will likely be some of the most fun years of your life. Cost is a huge factor for the general student population but for athletes that's usually less of a concern. I personally did 5 years with engineering and a business minor then a year and a quarter for Masters plus another quarter of waiting around to start my job.


Back to Olumide...what a nice surprise this late in the year. He absolutely looks the part and that pass to Ezuma yesterday was a thing of beauty.
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