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Kevin Finnegan
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Posted: 2/23/2022 3:19 PM
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Right now, OHIO and Toledo have 3 losses. I know that Toledo gets the tiebreak head-to-head with OHIO. However, Buffalo and Kent State sit at 4 losses. If OHIO, Toledo (imagine Toledo loses to Buffalo, OHIO to Bowling Green), and Kent end at 4 losses, I would imagine Kent is #1 (2-0 against Toledo, 1-1 against OHIO), then Toledo (2-0 against OHIO), then OHIO.

However, if Buffalo wins out, that means they beat Toledo and Kent State down the stretch. The issue is, they never made up their game against Central Michigan at home. They would then fall short of being in the conversation, which would have gotten interesting. In that case, with OHIO, Toledo, and Buffalo tied, Toledo would get #1 seed as they would be 3-1 in this group (2-0 vs OHIO, 1-1 vs. Buffalo), OHIO would then be #2 seed due to the win over Buffalo in their one matchup. The last week and a half of the season still have all the seeds up for grabs. Realistically, four teams are in play for the top seed still.
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Posted: 2/23/2022 11:05 PM
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Buffalo's closing schedule is interesting -- they have a home-and-home with NIU, first in Dekalb tomorrow night, then in Buffalo on Saturday, before Toledo at home and traveling to Kent next week. Not making up the CMU game could be a benefit for them. If the Bulls win out, Ohio and Toledo lose at least two, and Kent losing at least one, then Buffalo would be the top seed. They would be 15-4 (a .789 percentage), while the other three would be no better than 15-5 (a .750 percentage).
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Posted: 2/27/2022 11:28 AM
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So the MAC just tweeted tourney bracket with a week left ...

https://twitter.com/MACSports/status/1497956045599223818?...

Why is Ohio still ahead of Kent?

Wouldn't Kent be the #2 considering they beat Ohio (1-1) and swept Toledo (2-0) while Ohio is 1-3 against those two teams?

What am I missing?
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Posted: 2/27/2022 11:56 AM
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Ohio wins the three-way tie with Buffalo, Kent, and Ohio -- I like this bracket -- let's hope it holds.
Last Edited: 2/27/2022 12:03:10 PM by Turney13
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Posted: 2/27/2022 11:59 AM
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Good question Bshot44.

The Bobcats have the easiest last 2 games.
Both Toledo & Kent have 1 tough game with Buffalo.
It's Buffalo that has the toughest schedule by playing both Toledo and Kent.
If Buffalo was to win both games they would probably be considered the tournament favorite.


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Posted: 2/27/2022 12:24 PM
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Bracket is setting up but there are an unusual amount of scenarios playing into this final week.

I laughed when I saw the OVC bracket. Kind of ensures we would not have made our 2010 run

https://twitter.com/OVCSports/status/1497744568758030344/...
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Posted: 2/27/2022 1:41 PM
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Bracket is setting up but there are an unusual amount of scenarios playing into this final week.

I laughed when I saw the OVC bracket. Kind of ensures we would not have made our 2010 run

https://twitter.com/OVCSports/status/1497744568758030344/...
We used to have the "bye to the semis" format. Never was a fan.
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Posted: 2/27/2022 2:53 PM
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I didn't mind the semifinal bye.

For one-bid leagues, it boosts their chances of truly sending their best team to the dance ... rather than a random 9-seed that gets hot.

But hey ... Ohio did in 2010 and earned their trip.

But I see nothing wrong with rewarding the league's top two teams and not making them win 3 in 3 days.
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Posted: 2/27/2022 2:58 PM
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Turney13 wrote:expand_more
Ohio wins the three-way tie with Buffalo, Kent, and Ohio -- I like this bracket -- let's hope it holds.
So even tho UB will play one less game, the four losses is what gets them into a current tie with Ohio and Kent?

Interesting.

Would be wild to see UB win Tuesday ... then UB win Friday

And Ohio sweep the week.

Toledo 16-4
Ohio 16-4
UB 15-4
Kent 15-5

So Toledo would be 3-1 vs Top 3
Ohio 1-2
UB 1-2

But Ohio the #2 because they 1-0 vs UB?
Last Edited: 2/27/2022 2:59:21 PM by bshot44
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Posted: 2/27/2022 4:52 PM
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bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Ohio wins the three-way tie with Buffalo, Kent, and Ohio -- I like this bracket -- let's hope it holds.
So even tho UB will play one less game, the four losses is what gets them into a current tie with Ohio and Kent?

Interesting.

Would be wild to see UB win Tuesday ... then UB win Friday

And Ohio sweep the week.

Toledo 16-4
Ohio 16-4
UB 15-4
Kent 15-5

So Toledo would be 3-1 vs Top 3
Ohio 1-2
UB 1-2

But Ohio the #2 because they 1-0 vs UB?
I'd say it's because our winning percentage is better.
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Posted: 2/28/2022 12:31 AM
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UB can jump Kent State with a 1-1 week assuming the win is against Kent State. The MAC is the only conference in D1 that does not use winning percentage as the tiebreaker. They will jump Kent State by virtue of a season sweep.

If OU/UT/KSU all tie with the same record, Kent State is the #1 seed.
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Posted: 2/28/2022 1:49 PM
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I've long advocated for the following:

11-12 - Do not make tourney
9-10 - 1st Rd Road Game (Mon)
7-8 - 1st Rd Home Game (Mon)
5-6 - Bye to 2nd Rd (Wed)
3-4 - Bye to Qtrs (Thu)
1-2 - Bye to Semis (Fri)

I am a big regular season guy. I like the tourney and recognize modern society's need for a big culminating event. To me this merges those 2 worlds well and makes every place in the standings matter. Well, every 2 places.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:04 AM
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bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Ohio wins the three-way tie with Buffalo, Kent, and Ohio -- I like this bracket -- let's hope it holds.
So even tho UB will play one less game, the four losses is what gets them into a current tie with Ohio and Kent?

Interesting.

Would be wild to see UB win Tuesday ... then UB win Friday

And Ohio sweep the week.

Toledo 16-4
Ohio 16-4
UB 15-4
Kent 15-5

So Toledo would be 3-1 vs Top 3
Ohio 1-2
UB 1-2

But Ohio the #2 because they 1-0 vs UB?
I saw this explanation on the MAC Board, so take it with a grain of salt. However I believe the person who posted it runs a mac blog. (could be wrong on that though)

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Due to the unbalanced schedule, the MAC will consider Buffalo tied with anyone they are either tied in the loss column with and within one in the win column or anyone they are tied within the win column, and within one loss.

For example, right now Ohio and Kent State (14-4) and Buffalo (13-4) are all tied in the eyes of the MAC. That is why in the latest bracket the league put out it went

#2 Ohio - 2-1 amongst tied teams
#3 Buffalo - 1-1 amongst tied teams
#4 Kent State - 1-2 amongst tied teams

What is interesting is these unbalanced schedule rules only apply to teams tied in one column and within one in the other column. So CMU is only going to play 18 games, which means all those 5-13 teams below them really have their work cutout because they can't get into a tie with CMU.

Hope that kind of makes sense.. Or at least my explaining makes sense even if the rule doesn't.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 1:28 PM
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Eagle66 wrote:expand_more
Ohio wins the three-way tie with Buffalo, Kent, and Ohio -- I like this bracket -- let's hope it holds.
So even tho UB will play one less game, the four losses is what gets them into a current tie with Ohio and Kent?

Interesting.

Would be wild to see UB win Tuesday ... then UB win Friday

And Ohio sweep the week.

Toledo 16-4
Ohio 16-4
UB 15-4
Kent 15-5

So Toledo would be 3-1 vs Top 3
Ohio 1-2
UB 1-2

But Ohio the #2 because they 1-0 vs UB?
I saw this explanation on the MAC Board, so take it with a grain of salt. However I believe the person who posted it runs a mac blog. (could be wrong on that though)

Due to the unbalanced schedule, the MAC will consider Buffalo tied with anyone they are either tied in the loss column with and within one in the win column or anyone they are tied within the win column, and within one loss.

For example, right now Ohio and Kent State (14-4) and Buffalo (13-4) are all tied in the eyes of the MAC. That is why in the latest bracket the league put out it went

#2 Ohio - 2-1 amongst tied teams
#3 Buffalo - 1-1 amongst tied teams
#4 Kent State - 1-2 amongst tied teams

What is interesting is these unbalanced schedule rules only apply to teams tied in one column and within one in the other column. So CMU is only going to play 18 games, which means all those 5-13 teams below them really have their work cutout because they can't get into a tie with CMU.

Hope that kind of makes sense.. Or at least my explaining makes sense even if the rule doesn't.
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