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Posted: 9/30/2017 11:14 AM
The old, Kentucky pisssed them off so bad they lowered the boom on EKU example
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Posted: 9/30/2017 12:01 PM
Best article yet that I have read that explains what exactly everyone is accused of doing here: https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/09/26/fbi-corr...
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Posted: 9/30/2017 12:58 PM
My wife was on a Federal Grand Jury.
She said two of the biggest things you could get hung on were Interstate Commerce and anything involving the mail.

Indictments aren't convictions,but,usually, the feds don't indict unless they feel they have a strong case.
Federal prosecutors tend to have pretty high conviction rates.

If what has been published about the wire tap and hidden video they have on people they've named so far is anywhere close to accurate,it sounds like they have pretty strong cases.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're being pressured to take plea deals in exchange for testimony including "naming names".
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Posted: 9/30/2017 6:54 PM
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If you give Louisville the death penalty you have to give it to other schools then too right? This is bigger than just one school. This could...and theoretically should...lead to reform among the entire NCAA. Frankly, the NCAA looks like a bunch of fools compared to what the FBI was able to do.
The death penalty is reserved for repeat violators, which is two major incidents in five years. Louisville and a few others would currently qualify if they have their hands in this as well.
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Posted: 10/1/2017 9:56 AM
Sonny Vaccaro is the father of sneaker deals. The NCAA scandal shocks even him.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2017/09/28/ncaa-b...

Sonny Vaccaro weighs in on the scandal.
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Posted: 10/1/2017 10:18 AM
The Sports Edge on WFAN spent most of this morning's show on this.

The opinion of the people on the show is that after Adidas,the other 2 players in the sneaker world will be brought into this mess next.
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Posted: 10/1/2017 12:36 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
The Sports Edge on WFAN spent most of this morning's show on this.

The opinion of the people on the show is that after Adidas,the other 2 players in the sneaker world will be brought into this mess next.
Nike is already in it, just not as public yet.
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Posted: 10/1/2017 7:45 PM
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Be interesting to be a fly on the wall in the athletic department right about know.

I wonder what kind of "escape clause" is in our contract.
We are not escaping anywhere as long as the dollars are still on the table. I'm sure compliance is making sure coaches are aware of the rules, and that the University legal team will be going over do's and dont's as well.
Going back to Russell is not an option anyway. Ohio & Ga Tech pulling the plug helped force them to pull the plug on outfitting teams' uniforms.

http://m.alexcityoutlook.com/2017/09/28/russell-to-cease-... /
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Posted: 10/1/2017 11:15 PM
mcbin, maybe they'd reconsider if OHIO, Ga Tech, and a bunch of other schools got together and as a group asked them to reopen their uniform division. I could see a groundswell developing to move away from the Big Three as this scandal widens and gets more negative ink.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 9:19 AM
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Its true that the NCAA does not have the ability to conduct a criminal investigation like the FBI.

It don't think anyone would compare the two.

That being said,even when the NCAA does uncover violations that warrant severe penalties,in many cases they don't enforce them since that will affect their bottom line.

Before March Madness last year WFAN had several sports pundits on talking about the fact that,just based on what had been made public,Louisville should get the "death penalty".But,they said having them out of March Madness for an extended period would be bad for the tournament,so it wasn't ever going to happen.

Their position was that,as far as the NCAA is concerned,certain programs are above the rules.
This is what I was getting at with the "bunch of fools" comment.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 2:46 PM
The people at Champion and Russell Athletic might be able to really make some headway here soon if they can position themselves as the "clean," no funny business brands that don't do anything but provide schools athletic gear. If I were them, I'd start offering really classic, old-school looking uniforms and just try to see if I could swoop in and capitalize.
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Posted: 10/2/2017 8:25 PM
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mcbin, maybe they'd reconsider if OHIO, Ga Tech, and a bunch of other schools got together and as a group asked them to reopen their uniform division. I could see a groundswell developing to move away from the Big Three as this scandal widens and gets more negative ink.
Seems pretty far fetched for schools to beg Russell to get back into the uniform game. They've pretty much been a laughing stock of the biz for a while. I'm glad Ohio has moved on.

People didn't completely stop driving VW's when they were found to be cheaters.
People didn't stop driving Ford Explorers with failing Firestone tires. People didn't stop driving cars with exploding airbags. People didn't stop buying Nikes when they found out they were being put together by 7 year olds for .10/hr. I'm guessing these companies will take a hit (as they should) but people will still buy Nike/UA/Adidas over Russell Athletic.

But I will hope this investigation cleans things up at least a little bit. The threat of NCAA didn't seem like that big a deal. Threat of prison may.
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Posted: 10/3/2017 12:05 PM
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mcbin, maybe they'd reconsider if OHIO, Ga Tech, and a bunch of other schools got together and as a group asked them to reopen their uniform division. I could see a groundswell developing to move away from the Big Three as this scandal widens and gets more negative ink.
Seems pretty far fetched for schools to beg Russell to get back into the uniform game. They've pretty much been a laughing stock of the biz for a while. I'm glad Ohio has moved on.

People didn't completely stop driving VW's when they were found to be cheaters.
People didn't stop driving Ford Explorers with failing Firestone tires. People didn't stop driving cars with exploding airbags. People didn't stop buying Nikes when they found out they were being put together by 7 year olds for .10/hr. I'm guessing these companies will take a hit (as they should) but people will still buy Nike/UA/Adidas over Russell Athletic.

But I will hope this investigation cleans things up at least a little bit. The threat of NCAA didn't seem like that big a deal. Threat of prison may.
Well said, mcbin.
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Posted: 10/3/2017 2:27 PM
If only Russell was led by a businessman who understood "opportunity". 😎🙄😂
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Posted: 10/6/2017 1:15 PM
Looks like more indictments coming down. UL asst coaches put on admin leave this AM. It ain't over yet.
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Posted: 10/6/2017 2:09 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Looks like more indictments coming down. UL asst coaches put on admin leave this AM. It ain't over yet.
Part of me imagines this will still be hanging around at the Final Four this year. As far as the FBI is concerned, this might run pretty deep.
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Posted: 10/21/2017 9:47 PM
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If only Russell was led by a businessman who understood "opportunity". 😎🙄😂
LOL yep... If that was that businessman's only 'opportunity' or focus, I bet he'd turn it into a multi-billion dollar business a-la Geico ;)
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Posted: 10/21/2017 11:09 PM
mcbin wrote:expand_more
If only Russell was led by a businessman who understood "opportunity". 😎🙄😂
LOL yep... If that was that businessman's only 'opportunity' or focus, I bet he'd turn it into a multi-billion dollar business a-la Geico ;)
Or make a billion dollar bet on BAC. Some people just get lucky
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Posted: 10/31/2017 6:37 AM
There's an article in today's The Record by Ben Nuckols of the Associated Press on this.
The article says that this month the NCAA has formed a committee headed by Condoleeza Rice to come up with recommendations for next season.

One thing that stuck out was that,one item under consideration was that,in exchange for limited antitrust considerations,the NCAA would allow some Federal oversight.
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Posted: 11/1/2017 12:27 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
There's an article in today's The Record by Ben Nuckols of the Associated Press on this.
The article says that this month the NCAA has formed a committee headed by Condoleeza Rice to come up with recommendations for next season.

One thing that stuck out was that,one item under consideration was that,in exchange for limited antitrust considerations,the NCAA would allow some Federal oversight.
Interesting. Since the NCAA is a child of the Federal government, this doesn't strike me as too outrageous of an idea.
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Posted: 11/1/2017 1:24 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
There's an article in today's The Record by Ben Nuckols of the Associated Press on this.
The article says that this month the NCAA has formed a committee headed by Condoleeza Rice to come up with recommendations for next season.

One thing that stuck out was that,one item under consideration was that,in exchange for limited antitrust considerations,the NCAA would allow some Federal oversight.
Interesting. Since the NCAA is a child of the Federal government, this doesn't strike me as too outrageous of an idea.
I hardly call T. Roosevelt asking for reforms in the sport of football safety, as the NCAA becoming a "child of the Federal government".
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Posted: 11/1/2017 2:48 PM
I wonder if Steve Early is still in love with Condi.

I also am amazed that more US Senators don't make like Orrin Hatch and attack the NCAA mercilessly until they come to their senses (and/or make sure you get what you want, like Utah into the PAC 12)...
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Posted: 11/1/2017 4:31 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
There's an article in today's The Record by Ben Nuckols of the Associated Press on this.
The article says that this month the NCAA has formed a committee headed by Condoleeza Rice to come up with recommendations for next season.

One thing that stuck out was that,one item under consideration was that,in exchange for limited antitrust considerations,the NCAA would allow some Federal oversight.


Interesting. Since the NCAA is a child of the Federal government, this doesn't strike me as too outrageous of an idea.


I hardly call T. Roosevelt asking for reforms in the sport of football safety, as the NCAA becoming a "child of the Federal government". 

That there were bills in Congress at the time to make football illegal, certainly makes TR's efforts part of a larger effort.  Here's a headline from the NYT at that time:

 

FOOTBALL IN 1909 CAUSED 26 DEATHS;

Highest Total in Many Years and Almost Double That of 1908 and 1907.

70 MORE SERIOUSLY HURT

Chicago Tribune's Figures Show That Majority Killed Were College Players Trained by Expert Coaches.

This was a national political issue at the time that was far more than TR's meeting with college football officials, though that was crucial in saving the sport.  

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Posted: 11/2/2017 2:16 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
There's an article in today's The Record by Ben Nuckols of the Associated Press on this.
The article says that this month the NCAA has formed a committee headed by Condoleeza Rice to come up with recommendations for next season.

One thing that stuck out was that,one item under consideration was that,in exchange for limited antitrust considerations,the NCAA would allow some Federal oversight.


Interesting. Since the NCAA is a child of the Federal government, this doesn't strike me as too outrageous of an idea.


I hardly call T. Roosevelt asking for reforms in the sport of football safety, as the NCAA becoming a "child of the Federal government".

That there were bills in Congress at the time to make football illegal, certainly makes TR's efforts part of a larger effort. Here's a headline from the NYT at that time:
FOOTBALL IN 1909 CAUSED 26 DEATHS; Highest Total in Many Years and Almost Double That of 1908 and 1907. 70 MORE SERIOUSLY HURT Chicago Tribune's Figures Show That Majority Killed Were College Players Trained by Expert Coaches.
This was a national political issue at the time that was far more than TR's meeting with college football officials, though that was crucial in saving the sport.
Still not a "child of the federal government".
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Posted: 11/3/2017 1:44 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
There's an article in today's The Record by Ben Nuckols of the Associated Press on this.
The article says that this month the NCAA has formed a committee headed by Condoleeza Rice to come up with recommendations for next season.

One thing that stuck out was that,one item under consideration was that,in exchange for limited antitrust considerations,the NCAA would allow some Federal oversight.


Interesting. Since the NCAA is a child of the Federal government, this doesn't strike me as too outrageous of an idea.


I hardly call T. Roosevelt asking for reforms in the sport of football safety, as the NCAA becoming a "child of the Federal government".

That there were bills in Congress at the time to make football illegal, certainly makes TR's efforts part of a larger effort. Here's a headline from the NYT at that time:
FOOTBALL IN 1909 CAUSED 26 DEATHS; Highest Total in Many Years and Almost Double That of 1908 and 1907. 70 MORE SERIOUSLY HURT Chicago Tribune's Figures Show That Majority Killed Were College Players Trained by Expert Coaches.
This was a national political issue at the time that was far more than TR's meeting with college football officials, though that was crucial in saving the sport.


Still not a "child of the federal government". 

Without the pressure in Congress and TR's effort there would have been no NCAA.  Therefore, to my mind, that makes the NCAA a child of the Federal government.  They were responsible for its formation. TR actually had said publicly that he was going to recommend the abolishment of football, but then changed his mind and called a meeting of college football leaders in the White House.  

Take a look at this article:

http://www.history.com/news/how-teddy-roosevelt-saved-football

Here are the two ending paragraphs:

Following the [1905] season, Stanford and California switched to rugby while Columbia, Northwestern and Duke dropped football. Harvard president Charles Eliot, who considered football “more brutalizing than prizefighting, cockfighting or bullfighting,” warned that Harvard could be next, a move that would be a crushing blow to the college game and the Harvard alum in the Oval Office. Roosevelt wrote in a letter to a friend that he would not let Eliot “emasculate football,” and that he hoped to “minimize the danger” without football having to be played “on too ladylike a basis.” Roosevelt again used his bully pulpit. He urged the Harvard coach and other leading football authorities to push for radical rule changes, and he invited other school leaders to the White House in the offseason.

An intercollegiate conference, which would become the forerunner of the NCAA, approved radical rule changes for the 1906 season. They legalized the forward pass, abolished the dangerous mass formations, created a neutral zone between offense and defense and doubled the first-down distance to 10 yards, to be gained in three downs. The rule changes didn’t eliminate football’s dangers, but fatalities declined—to 11 per year in both 1906 and 1907—while injuries fell sharply. A spike in fatalities in 1909 led to another round of reforms that further eased restrictions on the forward pass and formed the foundation of the modern sport.

So, it seems clear that without the pressure from Congress and the intervention of TR there would have been no national collegiate athletic association formed at that time.  Therefore, it's not unreasonable to say that the NCAA was a child of the Federal government.  I'm not playing semantics.  It's a reasonable way to summarize the actual facts of what happened.  You are welcome to describe another way, if you prefer, but my statement is not an inaccurate way to describe the creation of the forerunner of the NCAA, without which there wouldn't have been an NCAA.  

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