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Deciduous Forest Cat
3/12/2022 2:11 PM
Just my opinion, but I think naming "most likely to transfer" without any actual information is kind of bush league and bordering on douche-baggy.
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Ohio69
3/12/2022 2:45 PM
RufusCat09 wrote:expand_more
My Best Guess at a 2-deep

PG: Sears -- Brown
SG: Brown -- James
SF: Roderick -- AJ Brown
PF: Clayton -- Hadaway
C: DW3 -- Ezuma

This is obviously assuming BVP does not come back and Towns/Granger transfer (which is my personal opinion what will happen).

Hoping Roderick can get his shot back or else I can see AJ Brown or Elmore James getting the start. Physically, James is already built for college so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out. I really like Clayton at the 4 spot since he can step out and knock down 3's, he just needs to put on some weight. Not sure what to think of Adelodun.
Seems like a realistic 2 deep. Hope Towns sticks around. Athletic bigs are hard to find. I think he would have made a difference D and rebounding against Kent State.
Last Edited: 3/12/2022 2:46:17 PM by Ohio69
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GraffZ06
3/12/2022 4:55 PM
Cellis033 wrote:expand_more
I think Ajay or AJ Brown could have a very good shot at 2nd PG if they maintain the play they showed this season. Sears pretty much has starting PG locked.
Not directed specifically at you, but everyone else with this sentiment - we saw Sears excel his freshman year at the 2 playing next to a real PG in Preston. We saw him play well in stretches (Friday night included) at the 2 next to Tommy playing PG. We know he's a score first, pass second guard. We know his AST:TO ratio is terrible. We know he worked on his 3PT shot last off-season to become a good outside shooter. We saw our offense at times this year become frustratingly boring, unimaginative and stagnant - partly due to Sears dribbling so much and being so ball dominant while others stood around and watched.

So, pending Sears putting in the work to become a better passer, both off dribble drives and just generally in setting up and running the offense with ball movement (which he very well could do) - then WHY do we just automatically assume he's got the starting PG spot locked up?

A starting spot? Yes. PG though? I'm not going to make that jump yet pending seeing how Sheldon, or preferably AJ Brown, or possibly others (Miles etc) might handle the PG role and free up Mark to play the 2.
Last Edited: 3/12/2022 4:56:22 PM by GraffZ06
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GoCats105
3/12/2022 7:55 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Just my opinion, but I think naming "most likely to transfer" without any actual information is kind of bush league and bordering on douche-baggy.
+1
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Taiwan BC
3/12/2022 8:28 PM
More of a general comment. Just hoping that we don't have to play small ball next year. Best teams in the MAC have more physical guards that we just can't match defensively. My exception is if a shorter player can average 15 or more points or dish out 8 assists a game, then their offensive contribution can overcome their defensive liabilities. Other than that, backup is where they should be.

And I hate to even think about it but, boy did we miss McDay this year. I know Coach touted Miles as being our best on ball defender and he did a bang up job considering the situation, but let's face it, there is more to defense than that. And, lest we forget, McDay was 1st team all defense his 2nd year here.

We need bigger guards that can rebound and play D... Not to fret because, that's exactly what we are getting.

GO BOBCATS!
Last Edited: 3/12/2022 8:28:52 PM by Taiwan BC
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Victory
3/12/2022 8:35 PM
I know "Rebuild" is in quotes but we have a good class coming in. We have a chance next year. If BVP and Wilson return and all transfer exits are from players who were not in the normal rotation we might be favored to win. It feels like, pending how transfers go, another top 5 fight between Ohio, Toledo, Kent St., Akron and Buffalo is likely again next season. I just hope the other 7 teams fair better collectively out-of-conference than they did this season. I sure hope so. That's a very low bar to try to get over.
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Bobcat2019
3/12/2022 8:51 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Just my opinion, but I think naming "most likely to transfer" without any actual information is kind of bush league and bordering on douche-baggy.
lol
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100%Cat
3/12/2022 10:15 PM
Let’s hope for no Friday night CBS Sports games next year.
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GraffZ06
3/12/2022 10:57 PM
Taiwan BC wrote:expand_more
More of a general comment. Just hoping that we don't have to play small ball next year. Best teams in the MAC have more physical guards that we just can't match defensively. My exception is if a shorter player can average 15 or more points or dish out 8 assists a game, then their offensive contribution can overcome their defensive liabilities. Other than that, backup is where they should be.

And I hate to even think about it but, boy did we miss McDay this year. I know Coach touted Miles as being our best on ball defender and he did a bang up job considering the situation, but let's face it, there is more to defense than that. And, lest we forget, McDay was 1st team all defense his 2nd year here.

We need bigger guards that can rebound and play D... Not to fret because, that's exactly what we are getting.

GO BOBCATS!
QFT.

There's a reason why I salivate thinking of AJ Brown playing PG at 6'4 (even though 6'1 Sears would be undersized at the 2 - and James at 6'3 would be undersized at the 3).

Exactly why I wish/hope/pray for an upgrade at forward next year assuming BVP doesn't come back.

SF Options are Olumide (6'5 - good size but def raw and needs to improve)
BRod (6'5 - but what are we getting?)
James (6'3 - way undersized but plenty physical enough)
Towns (6'9 - now we're talking, but will he even be here or will he make jump?)
Hadaway (6'8 - I think this might be the long-term answer, problem is we may need him at PF with as thin as we are there)

If BVP returns to the 4, we could slide Hadaway to the 3. A starting 5 of 6'4/6'1/6'8/6'8/6'8 sounds pretty good to me.

If BVP doesn't come back though - we're left with Hadaway, Clayton or Towns at the 4. Again, will Towns even be here? There's no universe I see Clayton being a starting PF, and anything other than a situational stretch 4 off the bench, unless/until he gains about 30 lbs. This is why we may have to slide Hadaway here and go a bit smaller.

Time will tell.
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Ohio69
3/12/2022 11:19 PM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
Let’s hope for no Friday night CBS Sports games next year.
Amen.
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RufusCat09
3/13/2022 9:13 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Just my opinion, but I think naming "most likely to transfer" without any actual information is kind of bush league and bordering on douche-baggy.
LOL

Well we all have our own opinions clearly...I obviously don't want anyone to transfer but it's the reality that we live in and by not including them on my two deep that would be the reason why.

We speculate all the time on this site and while I don't have any personal information on anyone, pretty sure players don't want to "be in the doghouse" or ride the bench all year when there may be a better opportunity elsewhere. Just saying.
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71 BOBCAT
3/13/2022 9:18 AM
Like some others stated....

NEXT YEAR WILL BE DICTATED BY WHETHER BOTH BVP & DW RETURN.PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION!





GO BOBCATS
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shabamon
3/13/2022 10:41 AM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
More of a general comment. Just hoping that we don't have to play small ball next year. Best teams in the MAC have more physical guards that we just can't match defensively. My exception is if a shorter player can average 15 or more points or dish out 8 assists a game, then their offensive contribution can overcome their defensive liabilities. Other than that, backup is where they should be.

And I hate to even think about it but, boy did we miss McDay this year. I know Coach touted Miles as being our best on ball defender and he did a bang up job considering the situation, but let's face it, there is more to defense than that. And, lest we forget, McDay was 1st team all defense his 2nd year here.

We need bigger guards that can rebound and play D... Not to fret because, that's exactly what we are getting.

GO BOBCATS!
QFT.

There's a reason why I salivate thinking of AJ Brown playing PG at 6'4 (even though 6'1 Sears would be undersized at the 2 - and James at 6'3 would be undersized at the 3).

Exactly why I wish/hope/pray for an upgrade at forward next year assuming BVP doesn't come back.

SF Options are Olumide (6'5 - good size but def raw and needs to improve)
BRod (6'5 - but what are we getting?)
James (6'3 - way undersized but plenty physical enough)
Towns (6'9 - now we're talking, but will he even be here or will he make jump?)
Hadaway (6'8 - I think this might be the long-term answer, problem is we may need him at PF with as thin as we are there)

If BVP returns to the 4, we could slide Hadaway to the 3. A starting 5 of 6'4/6'1/6'8/6'8/6'8 sounds pretty good to me.

If BVP doesn't come back though - we're left with Hadaway, Clayton or Towns at the 4. Again, will Towns even be here? There's no universe I see Clayton being a starting PF, and anything other than a situational stretch 4 off the bench, unless/until he gains about 30 lbs. This is why we may have to slide Hadaway here and go a bit smaller.

Time will tell.
Boals said in a pregame show this year that Clayton was close to 240. I buy it. My naked eye also believes he's the tallest player on the team. If Towns is really 6'9", Clayton is 6'11" (I don't believe Towns is 6'9").

Remember that BVP was mostly a spot shooter as a freshman. Clayton will need to add another dimension to his offense, either low post or face up, but he can be a long term answer at the 4.
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GraffZ06
3/13/2022 12:01 PM
I'm not trying to bag on AJ. I realize he's only 18 and should grow/improve and he has a nice shot. But no way is he 240. Between his toothpick arms and the fact that guys who were 6'3 or 6'4 in the MAC routinely shoved him right out of the TV screen when trying for rebounds. I just don't see a post player unless/until he steps up his physicality a TON. Hopefully he does just that. In the meantime I think penciling him in as the starting PF next year without seeing that upgrade is a recipe for disaster unless you enjoy getting outrebounded and losing points in the paint every night.

Repeat after me, work from the inside out. We've got DW3. Who will be his running mate inside?
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GraffZ06
3/13/2022 12:09 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
My naked eye also believes he's the tallest player on the team. If Towns is really 6'9", Clayton is 6'11" (I don't believe Towns is 6'9").
My naked eye says Towns is taller than both Carter and BVP. They're both listed at 6'8. Now maybe they're closer to 6'7 in reality but that means Towns is at LEAST 6'8 if not actually 6'9.
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bobcat 2000
3/13/2022 3:13 PM
wouldve been intersting to see what would happen if jim christain hadnt left for boston college. tariq owens may well have been another gary trent
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/13/2022 3:16 PM
bobcat 2000 wrote:expand_more
wouldve been intersting to see what would happen if jim christain hadnt left for boston college. tariq owens may well have been another gary trent
Does this mean that Gary Trent would have only averaged 8 points, 6 rebounds, and 2.8 blocks per game if he'd gone to St. Johns and that in the NBA he'd have only played 15 career minutes?
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bobcatsquared
3/13/2022 3:36 PM
The strength of 2 Tariq Owens wouldn't have matched that of 1 Gary Trent.
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shabamon
3/13/2022 4:04 PM
bobcat 2000 wrote:expand_more
wouldve been intersting to see what would happen if jim christain hadnt left for boston college. tariq owens may well have been another gary trent
Who the F is talking about Jim Christian and Tariq Owens?
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OhioCatFan
3/13/2022 4:22 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
My naked eye also believes he's the tallest player on the team. If Towns is really 6'9", Clayton is 6'11" (I don't believe Towns is 6'9").
My naked eye says Towns is taller than both Carter and BVP. They're both listed at 6'8. Now maybe they're closer to 6'7 in reality but that means Towns is at LEAST 6'8 if not actually 6'9.
This discussion reminds me of a conversation that I had with the SID back in the Hunter Era. He was very frustrated because he could not list the heights of most players correctly. He told me that Hunter constantly edited the list of players "official heights" making some guys taller and some guys shorter. It was all, apparently, some kind of psychological ploy on the part of Hunter aimed at both the player in question and his potential opponents. Doubt that Boals does this sort of thing, but since that discussion I've always taken listed heights as not necessarily accurate. For what it's worth, I thought DWIII last year looked taller than his listed height.
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greencat
3/13/2022 6:22 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
My Best Guess at a 2-deep

PG: Sears -- Brown
SG: Brown -- James
SF: Roderick -- AJ Brown
PF: Clayton -- Hadaway
C: DW3 -- Ezuma

This is obviously assuming BVP does not come back and Towns/Granger transfer (which is my personal opinion what will happen).

Hoping Roderick can get his shot back or else I can see AJ Brown or Elmore James getting the start. Physically, James is already built for college so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out. I really like Clayton at the 4 spot since he can step out and knock down 3's, he just needs to put on some weight. Not sure what to think of Adelodun.
Seems like a realistic 2 deep. Hope Towns sticks around. Athletic bigs are hard to find. I think he would have made a difference D and rebounding against Kent State.
Athletic bigs ARE hard to find. Maybe Towns knows one who would like Athens?
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
3/13/2022 6:29 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
This discussion reminds me of a conversation that I had with the SID back in the Hunter Era. He was very frustrated because he could not list the heights of most players correctly. He told me that Hunter constantly edited the list of players "official heights" making some guys taller and some guys shorter. It was all, apparently, some kind of psychological ploy on the part of Hunter aimed at both the player in question and his potential opponents. Doubt that Boals does this sort of thing, but since that discussion I've always taken listed heights as not necessarily accurate. For what it's worth, I thought DWIII last year looked taller than his listed height.
This happened in the NBA all the time, but fairly recently the league cracked down and started taking official measurements. Here's the list of players whose heights changed:

https://clutchpoints.com/everyone-who-lost-or-gained-inch... /

Kevin Durant's one of the few who got taller. Quite a few guys lost 2 inches. One lost 3 inches. Dwight Howard, who was long listed at 7'0 is only 6'9.
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Cellis033
3/13/2022 10:59 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
I think Ajay or AJ Brown could have a very good shot at 2nd PG if they maintain the play they showed this season. Sears pretty much has starting PG locked.
Not directed specifically at you, but everyone else with this sentiment - we saw Sears excel his freshman year at the 2 playing next to a real PG in Preston. We saw him play well in stretches (Friday night included) at the 2 next to Tommy playing PG. We know he's a score first, pass second guard. We know his AST:TO ratio is terrible. We know he worked on his 3PT shot last off-season to become a good outside shooter. We saw our offense at times this year become frustratingly boring, unimaginative and stagnant - partly due to Sears dribbling so much and being so ball dominant while others stood around and watched.

So, pending Sears putting in the work to become a better passer, both off dribble drives and just generally in setting up and running the offense with ball movement (which he very well could do) - then WHY do we just automatically assume he's got the starting PG spot locked up?

A starting spot? Yes. PG though? I'm not going to make that jump yet pending seeing how Sheldon, or preferably AJ Brown, or possibly others (Miles etc) might handle the PG role and free up Mark to play the 2.
Very good point! Apologies as I'm still trying to grasp the ends and outs of the game. I did notice Sears seemed to do well in those situations where he is slotted in at the SG position. I just automatically said PG since that's almost all he's done this year. I agree he's got some work to do IF he remains at the position. But huge potential for Sheldon, AJ Brown or even Ben Estis to step in the role. (Yes I know Estis is a walkon but you never know)
Last Edited: 3/13/2022 11:01:47 PM by Cellis033
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Jeff McKinney
3/14/2022 12:05 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Just my opinion, but I think naming "most likely to transfer" without any actual information is kind of bush league and bordering on douche-baggy.
Agree.
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FearLeon
3/14/2022 8:48 AM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Just my opinion, but I think naming "most likely to transfer" without any actual information is kind of bush league and bordering on douche-baggy.
Agree.
Why? This speculation happens every year during the season and after with potential players hitting the portal. It's part of message board chatter. There are a lot of things people can get upset over and feeling hurts on message boards, speculating on which Bobcats could be hitting the portal for the next season isn't one of them.
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