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Posted: 8/19/2010 1:16 AM
Good post, C. George.  This kid's pretty much got 1 & 1/2 feet in knuckleheadville.

When he wants to relax from music, what does he do.  He balls, no doubt.  So, he's totally givning up that thing which he appears pretty decent at, which could give him a FUTURE WITH OPTIONS.

The thought that anyone cares, that this is 'a story.'  Are you crazy?  For some kid who played parts of  a few games at some off-the-map school?!

Dude just doesn't have his head on his shoulders.

We should keep a list of guys who've left our foot and basket programs with their up or down results thereafter.  I'm guessing that there's about a 100% consistency.  And it ain't thumbs up.
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Posted: 8/19/2010 1:19 AM
From an article called 'Ten Questions with Steven Coleman', Oct. 20th, 2008-


What is the best advice you're ever received?
It's pretty simple: Don't do drugs. That stuff can only hurt your chances of accomplishing your long-term goals.


oh, irony.


http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/10200...
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Posted: 8/19/2010 8:47 AM
Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:expand_more
When he wants to relax from music, what does he do.  He balls, no doubt.


Allegedly, he does something else...
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Posted: 8/19/2010 12:18 PM

How do we know this was totally his decision to quit the team?  Once the recordings were released for download his destiny was written.   

 

I highly doubt the nation’s second ranked party school would allow a star student athlete of a highly visible program to actively promote illegal drug use with profanity laced rhetoric. 

 

Once this music hit the internet; I don’t see how he had any other option but leave. 

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Posted: 8/19/2010 12:50 PM
DublinCat wrote:expand_more

How do we know this was totally his decision to quit the team?  Once the recordings were released for download his destiny was written.   

 

I highly doubt the nation’s second ranked party school would allow a star student athlete of a highly visible program to actively promote illegal drug use with profanity laced rhetoric. 

 

Once this music hit the internet; I don’t see how he had any other option but leave. 



Good point, a few years ago a group of football players produced a rap video that hit the net and they were instructed to remove or else due to the content of the lyrics and the message.
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Posted: 8/19/2010 1:04 PM
very true, this has actually been out for a couple months, so this decision likely has been made for a while, we are just seeing it now. 
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Posted: 8/19/2010 11:25 PM
How many of us actually know this kid?  It's disturbing that we all jump to conclusions about him with out hearing his side of the story.  Of course Groce acts blindsided but they have beeen acting funny towards him for a while now when all he needed was support.  There is no need to pass judgement on him at all.  He is one of those kids who is good at whatever he tries, so why not support him? If it doesnt work out I'm sure he'll figure something out and be productive in whatever he chooses.  However, if any of you were really up to date on modern music, you probably would appreciate it a lot more, but it isn't your style.  He doesn't pass judgement on your likes or dislikes so why do that to him?  He gave Ohio U everything he had and was still always in question, so if he chose to move on why not just accept it and support him?  Four pageso f blogs is a little much damn
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Posted: 8/19/2010 11:35 PM
Groce is the same guy that ran Sayles out of the program and now we're praising him for bringing him back?  He is definitely a good coach, but let's atleast be real about the situation he has no conscious
Last Edited: 8/19/2010 11:37:02 PM by Lildude04
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Posted: 8/20/2010 12:23 AM
Steve's twitter says "hi" to us.
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Posted: 8/20/2010 8:23 AM
Coleman's Facebook says Thank you Bobcat Attack. Not sure what this board did to deserve any kind of recognition. Also sure no one would say a bad word about the kid if he actually went to practice and lived up to his potential on the basketball court instead of taking the easy way out and trying to get into the music business right off the frying pan.

EDIT: It seems like he is also taking a page out of the LeBron/Carmelo book and taking names of all his "haters". Who wants to chip in for one of those 300 page notebooks to help out a bit?
Last Edited: 8/20/2010 8:27:37 AM by Ohio Hoops
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Posted: 8/20/2010 8:36 AM
http://thepost.baker.ohiou.edu/main.asp?SectionID=1&s...

Is this giving it all he's got for Ohio University?
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Posted: 8/20/2010 9:00 AM
It's also kind of crazy that we're more than halfway through 2010 and some people don't know the difference between blog and message board.

Deadspin = Blog
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Posted: 8/20/2010 9:23 AM
If I had a group of random old men talking about me and the decisions I made when I was a 20yr old at OU I'd be giving y'all the one-finger salute too. I hope Steve realizes that a) don't listen to the music critics on a sports message board, most of these dudes aren't your target market anyways and b) as odd as it may seem, we're venting our frustration with your decision because we actually care, even if we don't know you personally.

Now, we may be a little selfish about why we care about your decision, we're big fans of Bobcat Basketball and we were really excited about watching you win games for us for the next 3yrs, but that's what fans do. And also know that most of us are on here because we're proud graduates of OHIO and hope for the best for anyone associated with our alma mater, past or present.

Although I don't agree with your decision, its not mine to make. Best of luck to you and good luck with your music career, when you put out a CD I'll buy one.
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Posted: 8/20/2010 9:39 AM
Lildude04 wrote:expand_more
Groce is the same guy that ran Sayles out of the program and now we're praising him for bringing him back?  He is definitely a good coach, but let's atleast be real about the situation he has no conscious


SALIENT SALIENT point here. Fully agree and said as much before the site went down. If I'm Asown, I'm not sure I would have come back, strictly out of principal.

You tell me to shove off so you can bring in Offutt, and then when Stevie Fresh goes off the reservation, you want me back?? No thanks.

Asown is a much bigger man than I would be in the situation, 'cause I would be "taking the next step"...

Is Groce going to explain why Asown wanted to take "the next step" and is now all of a sudden "taking a lateral step" or "taking half a step back?"

Seriously, I called this months ago in print, documented.
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Posted: 8/20/2010 10:03 AM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
Groce is the same guy that ran Sayles out of the program and now we're praising him for bringing him back?  He is definitely a good coach, but let's atleast be real about the situation he has no conscious


SALIENT SALIENT point here. Fully agree and said as much before the site went down. If I'm Asown, I'm not sure I would have come back, strictly out of principal.

You tell me to shove off so you can bring in Offutt, and then when Stevie Fresh goes off the reservation, you want me back?? No thanks.

Asown is a much bigger man than I would be in the situation, 'cause I would be "taking the next step"...

Is Groce going to explain why Asown wanted to take "the next step" and is now all of a sudden "taking a lateral step" or "taking half a step back?"

Seriously, I called this months ago in print, documented.


A number if us did - Sad it was so easy to see it happening.
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Posted: 8/20/2010 10:09 AM
Just seems like a bizarre decision for a guy getting a free college education.  Especially one with that much talent for basketball.

I guess we should be impressed he's got guts enough to chase his dream?

Good luck to Mr. Coleman.

Me thinks this is a big blow to the team.  I just don't think Freshman can step in and do what Coleman could do right away.  But, we saw Cooper step up last year.  Maybe one of the new kids can do the same.
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Posted: 8/20/2010 10:30 AM
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Me thinks this is a big blow to the team.  I just don't think Freshman can step in and do what Coleman could do right away.  But, we saw Cooper step up last year.  Maybe one of the new kids can do the same.


I disagree. Is this a big loss? Sure. But guard is a position we are very healthy at right now and there are lots of capable guys willing to step in. If he was a big then I'd be a little more concerned but the fact is that Johnson and younger Kellogg are highly touted guards who are going to play at a high level. Also Freeman and now Sayles are going to add experience to the freshmen. This could also possibly open up an opportunity for Hall this year as well. The situation sucks and shouldn't have happened but all in all this isn't a reason to not expect this is going to be a top 3 team in the MAC at the least this coming season.
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Posted: 8/20/2010 10:50 AM

I see this as a positive for the team.  In retrospect, this was a player the team could not count on -- from abiding by team rules, complying with the law, or being their at the beginning of the season.  I will trade an Asown Sayles any day of the week for a Steven Coleman that you could not depend upon to be there when you needed him, and who set a poor example last year for the freshmen.  Give me a mature dedicated solid citizen grad student with skills like Asown over unrealized potential and the risk of another problem down the road.  Knowing what we know now, we just had a big upgrade on this team.  Remember, Asown gave us very substaial minutes in the playoffs last year with 25 against Ball State, 28 against Kent, 24 againt Miami, and 15 against GTown.  (Coleman was on the bench during all that success with an injury.)  Trust me Nick Kellogg will also rise to the occassion as a back up point.  In the short run and the long run this strenthens the team.  Go Bobcats! 

And this may be off topic a littile, but now that Asown is back on the team, I just hope that somehow this encourages Borna to come back to the Board.  I believe I can say this for most all of the  board users  -- we miss him!! 

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Posted: 8/20/2010 11:57 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
I guess we should be impressed he's got guts enough to chase his dream?


You know what? I kinda am. Takes guts to give up opportunities to pursue other opportunities. 

The only thing I have against Stevie Fresh is him using the word Fresh in his name. As far as I am concerned, there is only one Fresh, and that's Doug E. Fresh. He's the true star of The Show. By using the name of the innovator, you come across as a perpetrator. Word.
Last Edited: 8/20/2010 11:58:02 AM by Bobcat321
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Posted: 8/20/2010 12:03 PM

I'm just waiting for the next player to leave.  I don't understand what's behind the defections, but there sure has been a lot of them.  We certainly have gone from the odds on favorite to win the MAC next year (after the MAC tournament and Georgetown wins) to a team with a lot of question marks.  I just hope everyone who is left can keep their nose clean-we do not need any more player losses.  After each loss, some people come on and say how much better we are without "fill in the blank".  To say we will be fine  at guard with Bassett and Coleman gone seems a little bit of a stretch to me.

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Posted: 8/20/2010 12:36 PM

Take this how you may, but I have a few students from the Space Coast who are familiar with $tevie Fre$h.

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Posted: 8/20/2010 12:36 PM
Bobcat Love wrote:expand_more
Groce is the same guy that ran Sayles out of the program and now we're praising him for bringing him back?  He is definitely a good coach, but let's atleast be real about the situation he has no conscious


SALIENT SALIENT point here. Fully agree and said as much before the site went down. If I'm Asown, I'm not sure I would have come back, strictly out of principal.

You tell me to shove off so you can bring in Offutt, and then when Stevie Fresh goes off the reservation, you want me back?? No thanks.

Asown is a much bigger man than I would be in the situation, 'cause I would be "taking the next step"...

Is Groce going to explain why Asown wanted to take "the next step" and is now all of a sudden "taking a lateral step" or "taking half a step back?"

Seriously, I called this months ago in print, documented.


Maybe he was admitted into the 2012 Sports Admin class at Ohio?  Sports Admin was his next desired step in his education, no?  Just asking, as clearly Asown has education in his mind first, not pro hoops or a "career" in music. (the 2012 Sports Admin class is not yet posted on the Sports Admin site yet, to save you the surf)
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Posted: 8/20/2010 1:19 PM
Alright Steve, I know you're reading this stuff so don't get mad that I've decided to say somethin, cuz I'm just tryin to defend you a little bit.

You all seriously need to give the guy a break. I understand that you're upset because you felt he was a talented kid and he could have really helped your team this season, but you also need to realize that if his heart wasn't in playing basketball for OU, or any college for that matter, wouldn't it be best for him to choose to head out and do his own thing? I am a friend of Steve's and I support him in his decision to leave the program, whether I am happy about it or not. All of you condemning his music need to understand a few things first:

1) He isn't targeting the majority of you on here, as most of you are probably older males in at least your 30s.
2) He actually has some pretty good stuff on his mix tape, which if you listen to the whole thing, is actually pretty  eye-opening when it comes to what he has gone through in his life. I have known Steve for a little over 7 years now and he isn't exactly the type that shares really anything that is going on with his personal life, so while I knew a little bit about him and his past, some of these songs towards the end were pretty deep and actually pretty good.
3) I do agree with some of you in that I wish he would have thought he could continue to play basketball while still pursuing his music dreams, because he is a damn good ball player and I have seen some of the amazing and somewhat effortless things he can do on the basketball court first hand. Kid is extremely talented and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that if he wants to continue to play ball sometime down the road in Europe, he will definitely be able to achieve that goal.

To jump all over the kid and criticize his music is kind of childish though, don't you think? Especially when, as many of you have admitted, it isn't your particular brand of music. This really is his first mixtape and while there are a bunch of references to things on there that I think he could do without, there is still some really good material on it.  If you want to listen to it with an open mind and not judge him based on the cover of his CD he made or the first song you listened to for 20 seconds, try listening to his songs "The Family" or "Hard Times". I personally have turned his "M.V.P" song into a ringtone for when he texts/calls me. There is some really good stuff in there.

Like I said, I wish he would've chose to come back to OU and continue to show the world his talent on the basketball floor, but if he chose to pursue his dream of making music, why should that really be any of your business or concern? If a kid left the program because he felt like he had a job opportunity doing something else he didn't need a degree for and he felt that he might be able to make some money doing it, would you all have jumped all over him like you have to Steve?

Steven Coleman is my friend and I will not let people come on some basketball forum and rip him based on pure conjecture. I don't have all of the details and I especially know that none of you have all of them, so wish him luck on his pursuit in finding what he deems more important in life and move on.
 

To all of you that haven't ripped him and have wished him luck, thank you for not judging my friend and wishing him well. He appreciates it.

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Posted: 8/20/2010 1:26 PM
EG321 - good stuff.

I think most of the ripping Mr. Coleman was done in kind of a knee jerk reaction where feelings were hurt.  We expected him to be a huge part of a really great team this year.  I think that you will find that most of us who post on this board are supportive of all of OUr guys after they leave the program.  It was just the way it was done, kinda stung for a moment.  As the days and weeks go by, I think that the tone of this board will change into a very supportive one for Mr. Coleman.
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