On the postgame show, Groce mentioned sorting through the team's +/- stats.

Can anyone post those through the Temple or NSU game? Would like to see.

Couldn't find them anywhere upon first look.

Agree they are probably looking at it by specific rotation, but I would still like to see the Individual +/- which I am unable to find. I'll have Ted piece together everything else in his spare time.

Butler used to have a board member who kept this stat updated all year long for each individual player.  They have now migrated that to a new thread which uses NBA efficiency statistics (maybe because they now have a player in the NBA they upgraded?).

The discussion seems to be that the new analysis favors offensive minded players at the expense of guys who are more apt or prone to find success on the defensive end which is a Butler trademark. I am not an advocate of one method over another but my eyeball test tells me when certain players are on the floor the team is better regardless of whether the kid is scoring, facilitating or making the Offense or Defense better.

Monroe, you are spot on.  Defense, or the lack of it will tell the tale with this team.  If the Bobcats are to be competitive night in and night out in the MAC, they are going to have to show improved consistency at the defensive end and on the glass.  The league is terrible....probably the worst it has ever been from my seat, and I have been close to it for many many years from some different angles, so that could help us!

??   The light is only on when it's not off.

Defense first because it can win for you even if your offense is uneven or not so good at all.  Also, it seems more a product of thinking, effort and coaching than pure skill.  Seems to me that a team can will it's way to solid defense more readily than it can will it's way to solid offense.



When I played, setback to the game that it was, I was rather horrid on offense but could stay on stay on the court due to thinking effort on defense and rebounding.

Plus, it was my ball.  If I didn't get choosed I'd take it and go home.

Monroe..That sounds like me..only most of the time it was MY COURT too :)

When a game gets close a couple of key defensive stops (or lack of them) seems to set the tone for the game more than things on the offensive end, at least in my opinion.

Man, I  denounced it a full two weeks before Pomeroy did.  Go me.