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Posted: 1/25/2011 12:36 PM
Swank, as you may remember from your days in the Akron area on the court, the Magic "system", or style of play was much more a "defensive" system than offensive.  Their pressure defense was their offense.  For a number of years, anchored by the twins and Carter, Coach Jack employed a trapping, aggressive defensive style that overwhelmed bigger, slower, less athletic teams.  Although they were a bit small across the board, they were very very athletic and in tremendous condition.  If you were not in shape and willing to play 110% all the time, you did not get on the court for Jack.  There was also another D-1 athlete in that group who went on to play Div.1 in the SEC, remember him?
If Ohio had the defensive background and dedication to that end of the floor like the Magic did, it wouldnt make much difference what style you play on offense.   My problem with suggestions that we play even faster than we do right now, is that I know what kind of effect that will have on an already "not sound" defensive team.  You will be creating more defensive "possessions",and more rebounds.....things we do not do very well now!  
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Posted: 1/25/2011 12:39 PM
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Speaking of running Grinnell ball for giggles, has anyone bothered to catch any WVIAC hoops this year?

West Liberty (metro Wheeling, WV) is leading D2 NCAA in PPG by like 30 (around 120 vs 92 for second place), and winning games. Anyone have a line on what the hell is going on there? Coach's name is Crutchfield, who allegedly is from one of my hometowns (Clarksburg, WV), but I don't know him. Probably should go on the InterWebs and watch some tape.


One of West Liberty's players is Alex Falk, who was a teammate of Jon Diebler here in Upper Sandusky. Coach Keith Diebler ran the same style, and so Falk was a natural fit for West Liberty. If it is exactly the same, then it involves pressing constantly in the full- and half-court (lots of traps), running after every rebound and generally shooting within 10 seconds of gaining possession of the ball even if you don't get a fast break. It was fun to watch until both Diebler and Falk were gone. Then it just made Upper Sandusky look even worse than they were. They gave up layup after layup. But if you are superiorly atheltic to the other team, it works well.


I taught with Keith years ago in Plymouth.  He's always known one speed - fast.  We played city league ball together and he was quite the competitor.  He willed us to several wins over the tall trees from Celeryville on more than one occasion.  Growing up in East Akron it was fun to see a guy from the frozen tundra of north central Ohio play uptempo ball.
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Posted: 1/25/2011 12:48 PM
doubledribble wrote:expand_more
Swank, as you may remember from your days in the Akron area on the court, the Magic "system", or style of play was much more a "defensive" system than offensive.  Their pressure defense was their offense.  For a number of years, anchored by the twins and Carter, Coach Jack employed a trapping, aggressive defensive style that overwhelmed bigger, slower, less athletic teams.  Although they were a bit small across the board, they were very very athletic and in tremendous condition.  If you were not in shape and willing to play 110% all the time, you did not get on the court for Jack.  There was also another D-1 athlete in that group who went on to play Div.1 in the SEC, remember him?
If Ohio had the defensive background and dedication to that end of the floor like the Magic did, it wouldnt make much difference what style you play on offense.   My problem with suggestions that we play even faster than we do right now, is that I know what kind of effect that will have on an already "not sound" defensive team.  You will be creating more defensive "possessions",and more rebounds.....things we do not do very well now!  


True points double.  Where the Magics excelled was after they caused the turnover or gained control of the ball.  Their patterned transition to offense was a sight to behold.  I remember watching them throw balls to spots and people just appeared.  

One of my all time favorite stories is from a friend who played at Canton McKinley.  They were playing Barberton during the Bodnar era and he was guarding one of the twins who took and buried a long shot from the corner.  The next time down he's guarding what he thinks is the same twin who buries a long shot from the other corner with the other hand.  Talk about being at a competitive disadvantage.

The SEC player was Alvin Robertson.
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Posted: 1/25/2011 4:05 PM
I'll find out about Cheryl Bolen. Dale Bandy is on my speed dial.
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Posted: 1/26/2011 2:32 PM
Swank...I knew you would remember Alvin.  He just might have been the best of the lot!   The fact that he went all the way to Arkansas seemed to take him out of some of the discussions concerning the Magic.  From the times I got to see him up close during summer camp when the Magic were in town, he has my vote for the most athletic of the group.  (Carter was a close second)
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Posted: 1/26/2011 3:13 PM
Just to round out the Barberton Magics remember-when session, several of those players, including Carter Scott and one of the Bodnar twins, went to prison as adults!
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Posted: 1/26/2011 3:16 PM
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1. Was that a man that became a woman on the 1960 team that was introduced at halftime of the Kent game? I'm 85% Joe may have become Josephine in the past 51 years, so hats off to him/her. I have no problem with alternative lifestyles, so very solid that him/her could stand out there with his/her teammates and be honored. Hats off. Let me know if I saw what I think I saw.



I agree that it took a great deal of courage for that player to appear with her former teammates.  I was going to use a different term for courage but it presumably s no longer appropriate.
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Posted: 1/26/2011 3:19 PM
I believe you are wrong about the twins. Their older brother was involved in a pyramid investing scam and went to prison for awhile. I used to coach youth basketball with him. I don't believe either of the twins has been in trouble.
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Posted: 1/26/2011 3:50 PM
Then I'll trade one of Alvin Robertson's three prison visits for the twins, though I was under the impression it was Mark Bodnar who was the investment counselor/financial planner who went to prison for a stretch.  A quick Google search indicates Mark Bodnar is indeed an investment counselor...now in Cincy.

Granted, I have a chip on my shoulder after having Magics fans throw ball bearings at me during a game at their gym. And Jack Greynolds, while unquestionably a great coach, was a scoundrel in every meaning of the word.
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Posted: 1/26/2011 4:07 PM
Andy is the older brother and he lived in your old school district when he was caught. Lots of retirees lost everything in the scam. My kids were in his kids classes and was it every hard on them. They had no idea what was going on. I believe the other Bodnar twin works for the University of Michigan where they went to school. I aslo believe they were all lawyers like Andy.
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Posted: 1/26/2011 4:12 PM
Marty Bodnar quit the UofM very recently to take over the Barberton Community Foundation but was forced out of the job after one day when the board learned there was a sweetheart deal to pay him nearly $300,000 per year.
Don't know where he is now.
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Posted: 1/26/2011 4:14 PM
I believe he went back to the University of Michigan. I was aware of the Barberton Foundation issues.
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