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Posted: 1/31/2011 2:11 PM
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Just saw Russ' recap of the game and hadn't realized the key part played by Freeman with a save under the BSU bucket with time running out.  Really smart play.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 2:18 PM
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You can always trust those Freemans to do the right thing - on and off the court.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 2:42 PM
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SBH wrote:expand_more
Just saw Russ' recap of the game and hadn't realized the key part played by Freeman with a save under the BSU bucket with time running out.  Really smart play.


I'm gonna disagree on this one. I love Tommy, but if I remember the play correctly he saved the ball by throwing it right by a couple BSU players. Could have easily hit them in the leg or hands and resulted in an easy layup. You never save the ball directly under your own hoop.

Would have been safer to chuck it up high towards halfcout, or just let it go out of bounds for a throw in. It worked out in our favor so it wasn't a big deal, but I wouldn't recommend it.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 2:47 PM
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bigtilly...I agree with you here.  In fact, my 12 year old grandson's team just lost a game because of that kind of hustle play.  Up one with seconds to go, star player made an effort filled play...saved right to the opponent for a score.  I bet he doesn't do that again. 

A teaching/learning moment for a 12 year old (and college players).  Throw the ball to mid court or don't save it.  Just don't give the other team an opportunity!
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Posted: 1/31/2011 2:57 PM
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The play can be seen in the BSU recap video (at the very end) on ohiobobcats.com.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 5:05 PM
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SBH wrote:expand_more
The play can be seen in the BSU recap video (at the very end) on ohiobobcats.com.


We seen that too but i just read in the Messenger article what Freeman said

Tyrae Robinson missed on a jumper for Ball State, and Ohio deflected the rebound out of bounds. But Freeman, diving head first, was able to save the ball into a teammate.

“It was probably a dumb save,” Freeman said. “The only thing I can say in my defense was that it was a two-possession game at that point.”

Looks like he thought it through also.

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Posted: 1/31/2011 5:24 PM
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The majority of Tommy's game is unsung.  The masses notice the three pointers but I have contended since the day he stepped on the Convo court that his best asset is ball movement and court awareness.  He doesn't get a lot of assists but the guy he passes to sure does.  Plus without a serious shot blocker on the roster he's about the only deterent we have from guys taking it to the hoop.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 5:46 PM
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OUVan - Agree, I was talking the other day to a friend in NYC and started talking hoops we say when I lived up there.  Chris Mullin's name came up.  I am not in anyway comparing Tommy to Mullin's level, but there is a great deal of similarity to their games.  Sharp shooters, incredible court smarts.  Do the little things.  Great court vision.  Make teammates better.  Neither are going to lead their team in rebounds (Mullin averaged around 4 a game), but they have a way of gaining possessions for their team.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 5:56 PM
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He doesn't get a lot of assists but the guy he passes to sure does.
I still argue loudly that basketball should use the NHL's double-assist method.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:06 PM
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He doesn't get a lot of assists but the guy he passes to sure does.
I still argue loudly that basketball should use the NHL's double-assist method.


While it might make sense to do, it would make it even harder to do live scoring/stats for gamecasts on the fly. Hockey scorers have the advantage of getting a dead ball (dead puck?) after every goal to sort things out.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 8:12 PM
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
He doesn't get a lot of assists but the guy he passes to sure does.
I still argue loudly that basketball should use the NHL's double-assist method.


While it might make sense to do, it would make it even harder to do live scoring/stats for gamecasts on the fly. Hockey scorers have the advantage of getting a dead ball (dead puck?) after every goal to sort things out.
Very fair point.  There are far fewer scoring plays in hockey, too.  Would be interesting to know if there are any coaching staffs out there who keep such a figure when they break down tape, because like you said, sometimes that first pass is just as important, if not more important than the second one when it comes to creating a scoring opportunity.
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Posted: 1/31/2011 10:27 PM
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anorris wrote:expand_more
He doesn't get a lot of assists but the guy he passes to sure does.
I still argue loudly that basketball should use the NHL's double-assist method.


While it might make sense to do, it would make it even harder to do live scoring/stats for gamecasts on the fly. Hockey scorers have the advantage of getting a dead ball (dead puck?) after every goal to sort things out.
Very fair point.  There are far fewer scoring plays in hockey, too.  Would be interesting to know if there are any coaching staffs out there who keep such a figure when they break down tape, because like you said, sometimes that first pass is just as important, if not more important than the second one when it comes to creating a scoring opportunity.


I know the past 2-3 years this is something Mike Brown did with his staff and the Cavs and believe some other NBA teams have picked up on it. I'm thinking it wouldn't be that hard when you went back to study the tape.
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Posted: 2/1/2011 9:20 AM
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In the old days, Geno Ford would have just called timeout in this type of situation. (waiting for Bobcat Love...)
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Posted: 2/1/2011 11:36 AM
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Assists and the technical parts of the game are some of the best discussions we have on several of the forums I enjoy visiting.

For those who are interested download and print this document. Refer to it often when questions and interpretations arise. Lots of case examples.

NCAA Stats Manual


SECTION

5—ASSISTS

A player is credited with an assist when the player makes, in

the judgment of the statistician, the principal pass contributing

directly to a field goal (or an awarded score of two or three

points). Only one assist is to be credited on any field goal and

only when the pass was a major part of the play. The same player

cannot be credited with an assist and a field goal made on

the same possession.


We have long maintained that if the initial pass came 2 passes away that the principle pass was the fellow who saw the open man on the other side of the floor. Have never really got a good ruling on that one. Truespecially if the guy who made the initial pass is pointing to the receiver to keep the ball going over to the weak side as it is obvious that is his intention.



In many cases studying tape I see this scenario that has to drive Cooper and Freeman crazy. We have also long maintained on the Butler board that there should be a statable occurrence here. If the post pass results in a free throw attempt why is there no assist recorded.

A.R.

9. Adams passes to Allen in a situation that normally

 

would warrant an assist but does not produce a

field goal because (a) there is defensive goaltending or

defensive basket interference, (b) Allen is fouled in the act

of shooting, or (c) Allen travels, fumbles the pass out of

bounds or has the shot blocked. RULING: In (a), there will

be an awarded score, so credit Adams with an assist. In (b)

and (c), no assist will be awarded.


 


 
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