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Alan Swank
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Posted: 2/10/2011 2:55 PM
The ANews has an article in today's edition reporting on an audit of ICA which is very good.  The department is very clean.   Thought some might be interested where the money came from and where it went.  I couldn't find a link to just the article so this link is to the page:

http://npaper-wehaa.com/athensnews/#2011/02/10/?page=10 ;
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Posted: 2/10/2011 5:20 PM

Thanks for posting Alan, some great news all around there that I am sure The Post will certainly put front page/above the fold tomorrow, and helped contribute to my chain with Steve Hays on your prior thread:

"Thanks for the reply to my comment Mr. Hays, and you missed my point entirely.  Not once did I say that you were critical of Jim Schaus.  I stated that asking Jim to defend the ICA Department and the funding thereof is completely missing the point.  Would you ask a zebra to defend the reason it has stripes or ask a driver to defend why they choose to drive the speed limit?

The first line of your editorial supports Ms. Yanity's call for Jim to defend ICA and the funding levels/costs/policies, and my assertion is that a call to do so is irrelevant to your belief that the link of the ICA budget to student fees is "malignant". (not your words, but clearly words you support)

Are prospective students forbidden from asking the question "How are my Student Fees disbursed?" prior to enrolling at Ohio?  If you do not want a direct and very transparent link between ICA funding to Student Fees, then from where would you like ICA's budget to be derived within the present annual operating budget in order for you and your colleagues to feel that the linkage was less malignant?

Have the students that provide your salary and budget publicly asked you to defend your contribution to the University, and if not would you like them to do so?  Should we ask you for an ROI on your Department's contribution to the bottom line, as after all, the good students our my beloved alma mater, as well as my planned giving and annual donations to Ohio, fund you and your department directly?

The ANews did a very complimentary piece today demonstrating that the University as a whole and ICA in particular have proved to be good stewards to their collective budgets in the last two fiscal years.  And the ICA budget in 2010 constituted roughly 3.5% of the entire University budget.

Considering all the revenue streams into the University, does that seem like an onorous amount in order to provide the students, faculty, staff and Alumni to have a face to the world that is more public and marketable to the broader populace than the good work that you and your fellow staff members do on a daily basis in the class room?"

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Posted: 2/10/2011 7:40 PM
3.5%.  All this nastiness over 3.5%.

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Posted: 2/10/2011 9:11 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
3.5%.  All this nastiness over 3.5%.



As I read this quote, i noticed that a member of the Board of Trustees is on this site.  I sure hope he takes back the plusses and minuses of the various posts over the last month on this board.
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Posted: 2/10/2011 9:11 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
3.5%.  All this nastiness over 3.5%.



Hewlett-Packard 12C says only 2.85%

Calculated as Direct Institutional Support for Athletics as $16.4 million divided by Total Annual Institutional expenses of $574.8 million.

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Posted: 2/10/2011 10:05 PM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
3.5%.  All this nastiness over 3.5%.



This is what kills me.... in the grand scheme of things, it's such a small amount... I just don't understand why people are so violently angry about it...
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Posted: 2/10/2011 11:16 PM
People have gotten angrier over smaller proportions.
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Posted: 2/11/2011 10:43 AM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
3.5%.  All this nastiness over 3.5%.



Hewlett-Packard 12C says only 2.85%

Calculated as Direct Institutional Support for Athletics as $16.4 million divided by Total Annual Institutional expenses of $574.8 million.



You are exactly correct MC, I just went with the total including schollies in order to make it look as good as possible for Mr. Hays.  I didn't need to do that, but I'm a nice guy that way.
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Posted: 2/11/2011 10:59 AM
Athens Block wrote:expand_more
3.5%.  All this nastiness over 3.5%.



This is what kills me.... in the grand scheme of things, it's such a small amount... I just don't understand why people are so violently angry about it...



Because a sizeable portion of faculty simply HATE athletics.  Blind hatred.


Big rumor (I've heard it from several sources) that some national media outlet will be using OU in a piece about college spending on athletics as early as next week.  If true, I sure hope OU points out that many faculty think Vedder's survey is junk science, and that we are talking about at most 3.5% of our budget.  And then say no more.
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Posted: 2/11/2011 12:42 PM
The only Ohio alumni I know that still have ties to their alma mater are Bobcat sports fans.  Most of those that do not follow the sports team haven't even been back to Athens since graduation.  The proudest and most supportive alumni are huge Bobcat fans.  This reason alone shoots down Vedder & the rest of the athletic haters.
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Posted: 2/11/2011 2:26 PM
Cal alumni step up for three sports with donations.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=6112756

They found some money real quick and big money too!
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Posted: 2/12/2011 10:28 AM
G4--Now you will get slammed for mentioning Cal here by those who were not happy, not happy at all when I suggested that our alumni affinity as measured by % of alumni donating should be up there with the best in the nation
 
It is only allowed to compare Ohio with clearly similar-to-Ohio institutions.
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