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UpSan Bobcat
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Posted: 2/5/2011 1:49 PM

I'm with you on that. Everyone seems to think our offense is no good or average. We really are a good offensive team. Sure, there are flaws. It's not perfect. But we have a good offense. Defense has been another story, but I think we're athletic enough and talented enough to change that. A lot of the problem is mistakes from inexperience, so I'm hoping we start to see some big strides on defense.

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Posted: 2/5/2011 2:04 PM
BobcatGman..............If you disagree with my post and having documented all those stats I must ask the question.
WHY HAVEN'T WE WON MORE GAMES?





GO BOBCATS
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Posted: 2/5/2011 2:26 PM
Agree with 71; it's all about our defense.   The success of our season sits there.

I've only seen a handful of games.  But we are clearly not a good offensive team.  No post game, not a particularly good offensive rebound team, only one guy who can penetrate, way too often there are 4 to 5 guys just standing around, not much in the way of reversals or screens off the ball, screens not set or used well (KVK is missed!).  In short, there is little that is dynamic about our offense.  Tell me:  At crunch time--down a point or two with a minute to go, who do we go to--what play do we run?

If you watch this team on offense and think that we are above average, you need to think about some of these points.  I just don't see much there.   On any night on which we aren't getting a lot of threes we can lose to anyone.  Unless we play defense.



And isn't defense usually best when played for the entirety of the opponent's possession and all 40 minutes of  the game?
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Posted: 2/5/2011 7:12 PM
71 BOBCAT wrote:expand_more
BobcatGman..............If you disagree with my post and having documented all those stats I must ask the question.
WHY HAVEN'T WE WON MORE GAMES?





GO BOBCATS


        I disagreed with you saying and I quote "WE ARE NOT A TALENTED OFFENSIVE TEAM"  , thats why i posted the Offensive Team stats, because your wrong on that subject.  we all know that we are soft on the DEFENSIVE side of the ball and lack the Killer Instinct, read my response, i agreed with you about the Defense.  but your dead wrong about the Offense.

      You say,  WHY HAVEN"T WE WON MORE GAMES?     Here's why.   DEFENSE !!!


Ohio is 11th in the MAC in FG% Defense    45.2%

Ohio is 9th in the MAC in 3 point FG% Defense   36.0%

Ohio is 7th in the MAC in Rebounding margin  Ohio 35.8 rpg and Opponents 36.6 rpg

Ohio is 9th in the MAC in Blocked Shots with  55

  And like I said, the offense stats speak for theirselves.

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Posted: 2/5/2011 9:04 PM
We rank 200th in fg at .430 % per our espn team page.  200 out of 345 teams.  Were not a great shooting team overall.  Cooper takes the most shots and is under 40% from the floor.  Now with Baltic, Washington and Keely from inside and Freeman and Kellogg hitting the three's then that number will rise.  Cooper is just 29% from 3pt range.  My issue was Freeman's shot was well beyond NBA range. It was in Bubba Walther territory. Yes, Tommy and Bubble can make those shots but at what % at that range.     
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Posted: 2/6/2011 2:00 PM
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.  My issue was Freeman's shot was well beyond NBA range. It was in Bubba Walther territory. Yes, Tommy and Bubble can make those shots but at what % at that range.     
I have just finished replaying that segment about 12 times. Freeman makes a 3 at 1:52 left in the game to bring Ohio to 71 points.

Out of the subsequent Time Out he sets the same screen and take a shot 8 inches closer than the one he makes previously and you have an issue? I see why some folks think you are an idiot. The shot in detail as I have watched it a dozen or so time over and over. He set the screen inside the 3 point line swings his left leg behind him taking one step behind the line. Cooper passes backwards as Freeman is hopping into the pass. He elevates from 6 inches behind the line.

I invite you to come to Tipton where I can show you this over and over on my Comcast Cable. I would be happy to watch your face as I keep rerunning it for the entertainment of all my basketball friends over here. We can have a party in your honor.  It would be great entertainment for us who have been watching and discussing basketball for years to explain to us maybe how your tv set had a different angle or maybe we doctored the video feed or someting similar. Sorry sir, you are just plain wrong again. I am agreeing with Gman up there. He is right and you are wrong.

EDIT. As I watched several teams play this week following watching the replays of the Bobcats my opinion is not that the offense is not adequate. What I see that sets this offense apart is the ball movement. Those here who complain about the offense having it's feet stuck in cement need to watch someone like Florida or Kentucky last night. Most of their plays consists of ball movement till they find a place to attack. Very little dribble is used. The biggest difference is that the ball goes in the paint, when that is probed and there is no crease or seam the player in the middle whether it is a guard who has penetrated or a big who got walled up finds an open player with his feet set (in cement by bobcatattack lexicon) and kicks the ball out to him  who then drains a 3 with no one even near to contest. 

I have information that says part of the playbook was slimmed down for younger players to better execute what they can understand but there seems to be a lot more movement than folks over there give this credit where due. Looking at the offense I see an initial set with guards in the corner and bigs up top setting one or a stagger then Cooper reverses with the option to hit the rolling screener or bring it to the guard rotation up from the baseline who then takes a high screen roll while the PG cuts away to the weak side. Ball reverses to the weak side via the big who pops out and weak side guard is rolling up to take the screen and drive or shoot. After every pass to the post the passing guard/wing cuts to the opposite side while the other guards fill  in behind . Other sets have 2 high posts who receive the initial pass or the wings/guards bust up through the middle on an X or crossing pattern to recieve the ball on the wing.

For those who think the Cats are running an offense predicated on standing around really should take the time to look at the replays. One thing that I see missing is good hard screens both throughout the offense and in the execution of what they know. Freeman and Sayles seem to deliver good hard screens especially when the oop comes off an in bound pass  Both of those guys can be seen blasting 1 or 2 players way bigger than them while everyone in the gym is watching Baltic and Washington sky for a very flashy dunk.  Also up top, while the Bigs deliver about 35% high screens on the arc being well executed, there are still a lot of slips to the bucket from the bigs without making contact and in other cases guards not cutting close  enough (remember your jr high coach yelling to cut  and rub shoulders?) utilizing the whole screen which many times leads to a lean with the knee like Baltic got called for at CMU first half when he blasted the guard with his left knee. Those are small execution errors you have to clean up to get better.

There is way more movement in this abbreviated and abridged version of last years offense they used in beating Georgetown than many of the major conference teams are executing from what I have been able to see watching the majors and the STO/ESPNU MAC games in detail. Biggest difference in the 2 is in the ability of the Cats  to find guys on the fringe and get the ball  back out to them and the ability of guys to execute and finish at the rim. Just my humble opinion based on rewatching games several times trying to reconcile what I am seeing on the floor with what guys there are seeing and putting up on this board. This begs the question how many guys (or girls) commenting are there seeing it up close and how many are watching it on their computer with the Ohio feed? Then the second question. How many go home and look to reconcile what they think they see before they chastise the coach, the system, the players before they comment negatively? This team is in every game. Most of their problems are from execution errors and a lack of correcting those from week to week to week to week. Perfection of an error does not make it correct. Letting a fundamental go unchanged will result always in the same adverse result.

Sorry for this but I keep looking at these trying to figure out what I am seeing that is different than what all these guys on this board see. Perhaps i should have put together a seperate post. Sorry.

Last Edited: 2/6/2011 7:30:13 PM by tiptondevilcat
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Posted: 2/6/2011 6:06 PM
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The MAC needs to take a good, hard look at this because when I watch the Big 10, Big 12, ACC, Big East, etc. I do not notice the multitude of fouls being called.  It's pathetic for the MAC, it really is.


Agreed.  Heck, you could easily see this just turning the channel over to the games on ESPN during timeouts of our game.  Its bizarre.


The most telling item for me over the recent years has been the home non-conference (and particularly the Bracketbuster) games.  When refs come in from out of the region, mysteriously neither team reaches the double bonus, whereas EVERY HALF of EVERY MAC GAME has each team with 10+ apiece.
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